Hate to say it...Tyrod will be back

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

IF the bills are planning on retaining Taylor I think they should start soon to do some public relations work to make it seem that them keeping him is a choice other than how it looks right now then forced due to limited options.

 

when your fan base doesn’t want him.

when other teams don’t want him.

when your own GM doesn’t believe in him.

 

and you still might keep him?  Some people need to start spinning this so it doesn’t look like buffalo was standing without a chair after the music stopped.

 

Winning sells tickets.

 

4 hours ago, Dorkington said:

I've been thinking similar... Smith and Cousins are already off the market, and I think Tyrod is better than the rest of the vets available to us. I really don't want to go into next season with a scrub vet, a rookie, and Peterman. 

 

Totally.

 

Why would we really want to do that?  We're trying to win.  We're not doing science experiments on low percentage rookie QB sor injury riddled vets that aren't much if any  better than what we have.

 

I'm all for IMPROVING the QB position.  But it's gotta be a BETTER QB, not just ANOTHER QB.

Edited February 1, 2018 by reddogblitz

[John from Riverside]

20 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Winning sells tickets.

 

 

Totally.

 

Why would we really want to do that?  We're trying to win.  We're not doing science experiments on low percentage rookie QB sor injury riddled vets that aren't much if any  better than what we have.

 

I'm all for IMPROVING the QB position.  But it's gotta be a BETTER QB, not just ANOTHER QB.

I really hope that is the plan....a better qb and not just so frustrated with the lack of production in current qb that we go with worse.

 

im pretty confident they have a plan

[Kelly the Dog]

Not sure why people think McDermott hates Tyrod. He let a OC talk him into a huge risk. It was an epic failure. McD admitted in public he made a huge mistake - something coaches rarely do - he reinstated Tyrod - they made the playoffs - then he fired the OC. 

 

He may or may not want Tyrod back but there is little in his actual actions or statements to make you believe he doesn’t. 

[Teddy KGB]

24 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

The Jacksonville game alone should have sealed it for you.   A good NFL qb wins that game every time.   All 22 spotlighted him he missed multiple basic reads, Romo also pointed out several blatant progression errors.  He's done man.   I love TT but he's done. 

 

Iirc he thinks Tyrod played ok vs Jax.  

 

Its td not worth debating with him, he sees what he wants. 

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

Not sure why people think McDermott hates Tyrod. He let a OC talk him into a huge risk. It was an epic failure. McD admitted in public he made a huge mistake - something coaches rarely do - he reinstated Tyrod - they made the playoffs - then he fired the OC. 

 

He may or may not want Tyrod back but there is little in his actual actions or statements to make you believe he doesn’t. 

 

Epic failures happened vs the pats and saints as well.   

[Kelly the Dog]

 

And Tyrod is the quintessential McDermott Eagle Scout. 

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

 

Epic failures happened vs the pats and saints as well.   

And did McD blame himself or Tyrod? No. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Iirc he thinks Tyrod played ok vs Jax.  

 

Its td not worth debating with him, he sees what he wants. 

 

Epic failures happened vs the pats and saints as well.   

 

add cincy as well. he was sacked 6 times and the defense had 3 takeaways (1 fumble, 2 int) where the taylor led offense failed to convert those turnovers in to points.

Edited February 1, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[DFT]

Boy, he sure won’t be.    

[3rdand12]

12 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

which is why after tb gets another ring, they should let foles go be a starter somewhere.....and that somewhere should be buffalo. he's going to deserve 20 mil. and someone's going to get him. i pray to god it's us.

i am not uncool with this thought.
but does he fit whatever this Bills Offense is going to do?
he has made the off season's Desirable QB list.
 Who know what Dabolls Offense will look like? That is good thing. But i suspect they know what kind of QB they want to grow with.

10 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

It's very simple: McDermott doesn't want Tyrod as his starting QB, so he won't be.

 

I guess I'll "cling to" the fact that the coach turned to a late round rookie whose default expression on the field looks like something between sheer terror and agonizing physical pain.

 

In the end, it's what the coach wants. Daboll showing up isn't suddenly going to make Tyrod actually play the QB position.

 

 

 

 

 

 

you may be wrong  about how Daboll feels. But you may be right.

 

too soon.
we have no idea what the Offense will look like.

 

None.

 only conjencture . accented with with bias on occasion

[3rdand12]

9 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

The Jacksonville game alone should have sealed it for you.   A good NFL qb wins that game every time.   All 22 spotlighted him he missed multiple basic reads, Romo also pointed out several blatant progression errors.  He's done man.   I love TT but he's done. 

you mean:  he panicked under the big lights? he did not play well enough without question.

 

more to the story as always.

 but always always look to improve. continually. 

 I want them to draft and acquire an FA.
lets see what McBeanes think.

 

is Castillo still on the team :

8 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

add cincy as well. he was sacked 6 times and the defense had 3 takeaways (1 fumble, 2 int) where the taylor led offense failed to convert those turnovers in to points.

how the heck did Tyrod just let himself be sacked 6 times ?

 He likes abuse? He wants to lose?
Team game. lotsa issues. Blaming just TT is silliness. Baliming TT is okay. But not singling him out.

 The most dynamic QB playing gets sacked six times.
 a running QB as some say.

 Hmmm.

[Stank_Nasty]

14 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I guess I would start with college where McCarron easily win's.

 

Both QB's played for 4 years as a backup with close to the same amount of games played. McCarron wins again.

 

Both QB's have played in a playoff game but McCarron won his. He rallied his team that was down by 15 to a victory with a beautiful TD pass to AJ Green to seal the Victory. McCarron wins again.

 

I would say McCarron is easily primed to have a way better career as a starter. This was way to easy.

McCarron has literally never won a playoff game. If you are gonna say something is easy you need to at least know what you are talking about. 

[billsfan89]

I fail to see where exactly the Bills can make a realistic upgrade at having a veteran QB on the roster other than Tyrod. I know people **** on Tyrod for a lot of good reasons but those people have forgotten about the truly awful QB play the team had in the years before Tyrod got here. Since Bledsoe the team has cycled through Lossman, Trent Edwards, Fitz, and EJ Manuel. Tyrod is light years ahead of any of those QB's aside from a half a season of Fitz who quickly fell apart. 

[DCOrange]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I fail to see where exactly the Bills can make a realistic upgrade at having a veteran QB on the roster other than Tyrod. I know people **** on Tyrod for a lot of good reasons but those people have forgotten about the truly awful QB play the team had in the years before Tyrod got here. Since Bledsoe the team has cycled through Lossman, Trent Edwards, Fitz, and EJ Manuel. Tyrod is light years ahead of any of those QB's aside from a half a season of Fitz who quickly fell apart. 

 

This is kinda where I'm at too. The only free agent QB (aside from Cousins) that I think would be an upgrade over Tyrod is Bradford, but obviously health is a gigantic question with him.

 

I definitely think there are upgrades available in the draft.

 

But if we want the best veteran QB available, it's probably Tyrod. If you're content to paying a scrub like Derek Anderson to be the opening day starter and accept next season as a rebuilding year, that's fine. But if Buffalo is trying to win next season, I'm afraid Tyrod (plus hopefully one of the top 5 QB prospects) is likely the best choice.

[billsfan89]

Just now, DCOrange said:

 

This is kinda where I'm at too. The only free agent QB (aside from Cousins) that I think would be an upgrade over Tyrod is Bradford, but obviously health is a gigantic question with him.

 

I definitely think there are upgrades available in the draft.

 

But if we want the best veteran QB available, it's probably Tyrod. If you're content to paying a scrub like Derek Anderson to be the opening day starter and accept next season as a rebuilding year, that's fine. But if Buffalo is trying to win next season, I'm afraid Tyrod (plus hopefully one of the top 5 QB prospects) is likely the best choice.

2

 

Bradford in my opinion is at best a lateral move from Tyrod but given that Tyrod has a much lower injury risk I would rather have Tyrod given the choice. Bradford is a much better pocket passer than Tyrod but is still very conservative and protective and can't drive the ball down the field consistently. Tyrod, however, adds a mobile dimension to his game (Which keeps plays alive, adds rushing yards, and adds more bootleg and play action possibilities) and is equally as good at protecting the football. 

 

So I would rather just have Tyrod at that point. I think in order to trade up to pick 3 or 4 the Bills would have to give up picks 21 and 22, next years 1st, and a 2nd and 4th this year. That's a steep price to pay and I am not sure that any of the top 3 QB's are worth that kind of trade up. I think that the Bills are better off waiting to see what QB's fall and make a more conservative trade up if needed. 

 

You can't go into the season with just Tyrod, but Tyrod and a promising rookie I am fine with. 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

This is kinda where I'm at too. The only free agent QB (aside from Cousins) that I think would be an upgrade over Tyrod is Bradford, but obviously health is a gigantic question with him.

 

I definitely think there are upgrades available in the draft.

 

But if we want the best veteran QB available, it's probably Tyrod. If you're content to paying a scrub like Derek Anderson to be the opening day starter and accept next season as a rebuilding year, that's fine. But if Buffalo is trying to win next season, I'm afraid Tyrod (plus hopefully one of the top 5 QB prospects) is likely the best choice.

 

 

Tyrod has a high floor and he's cheap(mostly paid for).

 

The other options have low floors and/or are going to be additionally very expensive/costly.

 

From a Jauron Ball and logical perspective it makes great sense to keep Tyrod as the bridge........but while McD played Jauron Ball on the field he and Beane's personnel decisions were high risk even if still only getting small returns.

 

They totally undermined their passing game trading Watkins and their run defense trading Dareus so very little would surprise me wrt McD's QB plan.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

43 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Tyrod has a high floor and he's cheap(mostly paid for).

 

The other options have low floors and/or are going to be additionally very expensive/costly.

 

From a Jauron Ball and logical perspective it makes great sense to keep Tyrod as the bridge........but while McD played Jauron Ball on the field he and Beane's personnel decisions were high risk even if still only getting small returns.

 

They totally undermined their passing game trading Watkins and their run defense trading Dareus so very little would surprise me wrt McD's QB plan.

 

 

Bado

 

What are your feelings on Andrew Luck?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

I fail to see where exactly the Bills can make a realistic upgrade at having a veteran QB on the roster other than Tyrod. I know people **** on Tyrod for a lot of good reasons but those people have forgotten about the truly awful QB play the team had in the years before Tyrod got here. Since Bledsoe the team has cycled through Lossman, Trent Edwards, Fitz, and EJ Manuel. Tyrod is light years ahead of any of those QB's aside from a half a season of Fitz who quickly fell apart. 

 

 It's been so bad, mediocre looks good 

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Tyrod has a high floor and he's cheap(mostly paid for).

 

The other options have low floors and/or are going to be additionally very expensive/costly.

 

From a Jauron Ball and logical perspective it makes great sense to keep Tyrod as the bridge........but while McD played Jauron Ball on the field he and Beane's personnel decisions were high risk even if still only getting small returns.

 

They totally undermined their passing game trading Watkins and their run defense trading Dareus so very little would surprise me wrt McD's QB plan.

 

 

3

 

Beane netted a high return for Sammy (Gaines is a good corner and a 2nd round pick) but they gave away Dareus for a 5th round pick and a lot of cap space in 2019, the low return on Dareus infuriated me since although Dareus was not playing up to his contract he still was a good cog in the middle of the defense. 

 

I would like to think that Beane and McD had just had it with Dareus in the locker room and they felt like it was addition by subtraction, and that the crop of free agents for DT's this off-season is very good so you could plug a guy for 4-6 million in to accomplish what Dareus does. I hope they sign Star away from the Panthers at a reasonable rate, he could be that big space eater that the defense desperately needs. 

[row_33]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I fail to see where exactly the Bills can make a realistic upgrade at having a veteran QB on the roster other than Tyrod. I know people **** on Tyrod for a lot of good reasons but those people have forgotten about the truly awful QB play the team had in the years before Tyrod got here. Since Bledsoe the team has cycled through Lossman, Trent Edwards, Fitz, and EJ Manuel. Tyrod is light years ahead of any of those QB's aside from a half a season of Fitz who quickly fell apart. 

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yup, but it probably doesn't matter at this point in time.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Bado

 

What are your feelings on Andrew Luck?

 

Bring him on.

 

It could turn out great for the Bills...........and yet they wouldn't have to not be Billsy doing it.

[Hebert19]

Remains to be seen if yesterday's story was a smoke screen or not but I'm guessing my original post is the logic the bills will use.