Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: In this report from The Bleacher Report writer Brandon Thorn ranks all of the 104 defensive tackles in the NFL that played a significant amount of time in the league. You can read the criteria they used which includes numeric scores in bunch of different areas. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751939-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-defensive-tackles-of-2017-season What shocked me is that out of 104 Defensive Tackles, three of the players that starter on the interior of the defensive Bills DT's rank dead freakin' last. In fact Here is the breakdown of their line: #104 Cedric Thronton #103 Adolphus Washington #102 Jerel Worthy #25 Kyle Williams (In case you are interested, Marcel Dareus ranked #27) So according to this article Kyle still ranked pretty decent, though most fans could see he's not the player he was a few years ago. While these rankings are obviously objective, I think it says a lot about the weaknesses of the Bills front 7, a weakness that is compounded by linebackers who sometimes don't fill quick enough and/or don't get off blocks. The fact that the Bills weren't victimized worse on the ground by Fournette and the #1 ranked rushing offense yesterday is quite a feat. Kyle had the same stats as 3 yrs ago, he's fine and played same as usual to me. Edited January 9, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderGun Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This team needs help everywhere... I hope backing in to the playoffs doesn't allow them to think certain guys are "good enough". Cap room and draft picks, I expect many new faces on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 IMO, a DL guy needs explosion off the snap and I don't see that in Vea. We already have an 'ok' 1st round DL guy but we need a game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 54 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said: Not that I am defending these guys - I have no opinion, but what are the chances of the 3 of them - from 1 team, being ranked consecutively? Slim to none, I'd say. Looks like typical Bleacher Report laziness to me! #104 Cedric Thronton #103 Adolphus Washington #102 Jerel Worthy Bingo. Brandon thorn? Dudes bio is pretty slim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Rico said: Adolphus Washington... another Whaley gem. 3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Rex Actually, I think it was the D line coach John Blake who may have played the biggest role in landing Washington. Obviously Whaley and Rex played a role in it and had to ok it + pull the trigger, but Whaley said after they took him that John Blake thought Washington was the best pure pass rusher in the draft and that he really pushed for the Bills to draft him. Whaley said he (Blake) was thrilled when the Bills took him. I think its it's too early to give up on Washington though. They definitely need to upgrade the starting DT position but there's really no reason not to keep him around as a rotation guy and try to develop him (unless some team wants to give up a decent draft pick for him...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, the skycap said: Vita Vea!! Dont think he will make it to us. Lets just get the Lotoulelei brothers. Why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Rico said: Adolphus Washington... another Whaley gem. "Whaley is a great scout, but not a great GM." He's sort of marginal at everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1. The front 7 is a mess. I asiad it was worse than the QB situation and I will stick by that. The reality is they will replace the QB but if they do through the draft they will need to address DT in FA. 2. Washington is a big disappointment. I thought he was a bad pick for a 3-4 and thought he would do well as a DT. DT is one of the hardest positions to transition from college. A bit too early to give up on him and he is not that expensive. 3. if KW retires, they don't have enough draft picks to address the front 7 even if they don't take a QB. Hopefully they can land a FA LB and DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Would be great to get this guy. The more I see this kid the more I want him on this defense. Pure strength. He moves grown men around like they’re empty cardboard boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Sad, but very true. Other than Kyle, the other DT's aren't even good backups. Every one of them will be hard pressed to even make a roster in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This can of worms was always going to open up, once the season finished. Pretty much was inevitable, the moment they shipped Dareus out. It was likely to be an 'issue' (DT), even if they hadn't done that, due to the impending retirement of Kyle - this year, next - it's coming up fast. Simply put, if Kyle Williams retires now, we don't have a starting calibre DT on the roster - and that is paying no mind to the bleacher report 'rankings', just the evidence of your eyes. If Kyle retires, DT becomes our biggest need, over and above QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) It's a somewhat bizarre system. Why are only 97 points available? Why are guys who play certain positions automatically given more value than guys who play other positions? It's also based on giving good scores to do-it-all guys who can do everything well. So if they were ranking Teddy Washington they'd have graded him down based on his inability to rush the passer. Nothing wrong with that, but it's taking points away from guys who aren't meant to be used as multi-use guys. IMHO our current interior guys with the exception of Kyle are mostly run stoppers, not much on the pass rush. It's safe to say they're not as bad as they're ranking them. Our interior line has been decent this year. Not a terrific group but not bad. Which is why even with our so-so LBs we haven't been awful at stopping the run through most of the season, thought there were some bad games and even runs of games. They also don't rank Coleman, probably as he was brought in so late. An upgrade would help, though, if they can get one. Edited January 9, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Eh, it's from Bleacher Report. I don't put too much stock in their rankings. The need for upgrades, an upgrade is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Thornton was on his couch a few weeks ago. Hatley? I had to look up no. 94 to see who he was. They did well for no name front line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I expect the Bills to add a significant DT through FA and to select one with one of their top 5 draft choices 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Who subscribes to PFF? How do they rate our DTs? I don't think PFF is perfect but I trust them more than B/R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Vea is alleged to be amazingly strong to go with his size, and freakishly quick. Interestingly, that is a lot like Dareus was alleged to be coming out of Alabama. You never want to paint a player with the experience you had with another player. Dareus' head was never in the right place. Hopefully, Vea doesn't have that issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 where is dontari poe on that list? i'd take him from atlanta and star latoulei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I don’t think our DT play was as bad as indicated in these ratings but in general our front seven is mediocre. We have trouble with strong running teams and had to sell out on the run to stop Jax. No way could we do that against Bres and the Saints. I think a DT and an LB will be high on the draft list. Hopefully we don’t use too many picks chasing a QB which of course is first priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The Bills desperately need to add two new defensive tackles to the team. I'd have no problem with them drafting DTs at 21 and 22 if there's no QB available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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