ndirish1978 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 On 9/13/2022 at 2:12 PM, Jauronimo said: I've found it entertaining. But I'm not some Tolkien nerd or someone who is losing their ***** about black hobbits and elves which seems to be where most of the criticism is coming from. I'm a Tolkien fan. The backlash you are referring to from people who actually read the books isn't the racial component, it comes from the fact that they completed changed the timelines of a well-established universe and just made up new events using the names of characters, which is something Tolkien was pretty severely opposed to. Tolkien went out of his way to establish a painstaking timeline for his universe, he took it very seriously as his life's work and was famous for doing things like rejecting the Beatles' attempt, at the height of their fame, to buy the movie rights for the books because he didn't want his work bastardized. The criticism is valid. The criticism about race is a small minority of just racist non-book fans that the showrunners have attempted to generalize as all of their detractors so as to avoid criticism by just calling everyone who doesn't like the show bigots. Pretty common tactic Hollywood uses to deal with critics. Long story short - Hobbits and wizards didn't exist during the timeline of the show and Galadriel was never a warrior who led armies, but a powerful magic user. Amazon did the same thing to the Wheel of Time, just arbitrarily changing huge things and mostly for the worse. As someone who read all 15 books of that series, it sucks to have something you invested time in and enjoy trampled on and just made crappy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: I'm a Tolkien fan. The backlash you are referring to from people who actually read the books isn't the racial component, it comes from the fact that they completed changed the timelines of a well-established universe and just made up new events using the names of characters, which is something Tolkien was pretty severely opposed to. Tolkien went out of his way to establish a painstaking timeline for his universe, he took it very seriously as his life's work and was famous for doing things like rejecting the Beatles' attempt, at the height of their fame, to buy the movie rights for the books because he didn't want his work bastardized. The criticism is valid. The criticism about race is a small minority of just racist non-book fans that the showrunners have attempted to generalize as all of their detractors so as to avoid criticism by just calling everyone who doesn't like the show bigots. Pretty common tactic Hollywood uses to deal with critics. Long story short - Hobbits and wizards didn't exist during the timeline of the show and Galadriel was never a warrior who led armies, but a powerful magic user. Amazon did the same thing to the Wheel of Time, just arbitrarily changing huge things and mostly for the worse. As someone who read all 15 books of that series, it sucks to have something you invested time in and enjoy trampled on and just made crappy. Dude, the backlash about black hobbits and elves was literally about black hobbits and elves not the timeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Dude, the backlash about black hobbits and elves was literally about black hobbits and elves not the timeline. Right, you're saying that was the main portion of people criticizing the show, I'm telling you it's not and offered some reasons why the show kind of stinks for tolkien nerds. The people who are complaining about race are not tolkien nerds, they are morons who like to whine about anything. Edited January 4, 2023 by ndirish1978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Right, you're saying that was the main portion of people criticizing the show, I'm telling you it's not and offered some reasons why the show kind of stinks for tolkien nerds. The people who are complaining about race are not tolkien nerds, they are morons who like to whine about anything. When the show was fresh, I saw almost no criticism of timelines and outrage about the race of casted actors. Yes, they are loud and aggressive morons and they dominated early criticism of the show when the post you quoted was made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Anyone watching 1923? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Our Flag Means Death on HBO Max. I’ve watched 2 episodes and I’m hooked. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Wednesday on Netflix 🤌🏼🤌🏼 Luis Guzman rules and this nothing else matters on violin is a heater. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 57 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Wednesday on Netflix 🤌🏼🤌🏼 Luis Guzman rules and this nothing else matters on violin is a heater. Awesome show 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 11:40 AM, Jauronimo said: Dude, the backlash about black hobbits and elves was literally about black hobbits and elves not the timeline. Nope, it's because it's just not good. They could not replicate the aesthetic of the LOTR. Despite its budget, it felt like a cheap knock-off, poor script, weak characters and not worth the time. I wanted to like but just thought it was a waste of money. I feel the same about the new Games of Thrones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Nope, it's because it's just not good. They could not replicate the aesthetic of the LOTR. Despite its budget, it felt like a cheap knock-off, poor script, weak characters and not worth the time. I wanted to like but just thought it was a waste of money. I feel the same about the new Games of Thrones. Are you really telling me there was no criticism of casting decisions based solely on race in LOTR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Are you really telling me there was no criticism of casting decisions based solely on race in LOTR? Yes, bothered people who seem to think that elves and hobbits are a certain color. You know, racists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 My wife and I just finished watching The Rings of Power and both though it was a major dud. We love the LoTR trilogy and had high hopes for the Rings of Power, but felt the storyline and acting was totally flat. Great visuals and special effects, but at the end, a big waste of time. Both Galadriel and Elrond were poorly cast and were difficult to like. On other note... F Amazon for moving the filming location and production from New Zealand to the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Bad Things said: My wife and I just finished watching The Rings of Power and both though it was a major dud. We love the LoTR trilogy and had high hopes for the Rings of Power, but felt the storyline and acting was totally flat. The series is supposed to be set a thousand years before LoTR, yet, both have the exact same technologies. They're still lighting with torches and fighting with broadswords. I guess Middle Earth is full of Luddites. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 So, basically Rings of Power was awesome for anyone who isn’t a complete dork. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Wednesday > Stranger Things ? Was way way better than I was expecting. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I've been watching the Shaq docuseries on HBO Max. Halfway through. The first episode was decent but kinda slow but the 2nd episode was excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just started watching Tulsa King on Paramount+. I’m hooked. Super entertaining so far 4 episodes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) On 12/29/2022 at 10:28 AM, Teddy KGB said: Glass Onion (Knives out 2.0) on Netflix is a heater. Edward Norton Jr and Daniel Craig kill it. I didn't like Knives Out but thought give Glass Onion a shot, that movie was horrible. Slow pace and no characters that were remotely likable so I quit about a third of the way through. If you like documentaries, I recommend American Animals. Interesting tale on a bunch of college kids trying to steal art from their college library. Edited January 29, 2023 by The Jokeman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I didn't like Knives Out but thought give Glass Onion a shot, that movie was horrible. Slow pace and no characters that were remotely likable so I quite about a third of the way through. If you like documentaries, I recommend American Animals. Interesting tale on a bunch of college kids trying to steal art from their college library. 93 % liked it. 7% didn’t. guess you’re a 7 % er Fun movie for me, gotta rate on a scale as they don’t make good movies anymore 😂 Edited January 10, 2023 by Teddy KGB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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