boyst Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: Why can’t the world be made perfect? Really? He’s not unlike many in this situation, he continued his behavior so openly and frequently that he got caught in his own web. If he had stopped the first time he had to pay settlement money it’s likely that the issue dies. He went back to the well of stupid behavior too often. Being a billionaire doesn't mean you're not stupid. He and many others prove this. It also doesn't mean you're guilty of everything you're accused of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 25 minutes ago, nucci said: Owners have to approve the purchase. I wouldn't get too worried yet ...P-Diddy and Jerry Jones at the owners' meetings?.......would be interesting.............. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 There must be a lot there if he immediately agreed to sell. I bet Jerry Jones could have some skeletons but no way would he just sell, he will go down fighting, might be fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: A move like this, when it's a celebrity status to own an NFL team, will be another downfall of the NFL. An NBA players owning an NFL franchise just doesn't sit well with me. Ha ha, I can’t imagine that it would sit well with the players either. “Wait a minute we are out here killing ourselves and could be cut tomorrow and this 29 year-old basketball player is one of the people cutting our checks?!?” I tossed it out early as an option but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him involved at some level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not the type of person that should own an NFL team. It’s Donald Sterlingish. It’s tough in this climate to be in his situation. Yup. Anyone feeling otherwise should read the SI piece. If they already have read the article and have any issue with that poor Jerry is going through it says much about that person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 12 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Trump will buy them and move them to Mir a lago.... Honestly my first thought was Obama would buy them just to piss of Trump haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 bruton smith will buy the panthers. they talked about it a few years. ago. diddy isn't buying the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Honestly my first thought was Obama would buy them just to piss of Trump haha If Obama could afford to buy an NFL team after a congress and president term salary it shows you how corrupt our government is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 44 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: A move like this, when it's a celebrity status to own an NFL team, will be another downfall of the NFL. An NBA players owning an NFL franchise just doesn't sit well with me. There's a solution to the problem that doesn't sit well with you: Stand up instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 So it HAS to be Toronto, amirite?? Anyway, tough break for Richardson. He'll have to accept over a billion in cash and continue to watch games from a super luxury box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: If Obama could afford to buy an NFL team after a congress and president term salary it shows you how corrupt our government is You forget his book deal and speaking engagements. Hes a former president, regardless of your politics, he can make a lot of money very quickly if he wants to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Yup. Anyone feeling otherwise should read the SI piece. If they already have read the article and have any issue with that poor Jerry is going through it says much about that person. Or it says due diligence and a process of respecting the first amendment are sort of a thing. I didn't see a big issue on why Sterling should have had to sell. He should have been forced to keep the team and deal with the fact that players hate him for a year or two and it'll be forgotten. Sorry if I value the liberties to sound like a dumbass. Clearly, I use this liberty all I can with my persona, not that you'd understand - I'm a pretty !@#$ed up individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Diddy is certainly more interesting but Curry can easily be involved. He’s guaranteed over $400M in the next 5 years alone. For comparisons sake, that is Bon Jovi’s entire net worth and he took a run at majority ownership. Curry has a substantial equity stake in Under Armor as well and it is believed that he is worth about $14B to the company. He could certainly leverage Kevin Plank into joining him. The company's market cap value is only 6 billion---and it has been tanking for almost 2 years (27 billion in 4/16). Curry should unload his UA stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: The company's market cap value is only 6 billion---and it has been tanking for almost 2 years (27 billion in 4/16). Curry should unload his UA stake. On a related but off topic discussion. It's amazing what happened to UA. I began wearing it in HS (98? 99?). And no one knew what it was. I was the fag wearing spandex essentially, I was clowned on often for it. I didn't care. The stuff was amazing. Their original logo was ****, though. Either way, by 02 and 03 it began to take off! I bought some stock early on it, much after the over priced IPO, and have seen it tank...and tank...and tank...and damn near be the Cleveland Browns. I get it, they can't capitalize on a market and have spread themselves so thing that North Face can laugh at them. But, their products are still better than any other competitor out there. Nike doesn't come close, nor does any other line. It's sad that their quality is so high yet they suck at conquering the final growth, after skyrocketing. Hopefully, another group buys them and can turn things around before they tank completely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 50 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Being a billionaire doesn't mean you're not stupid. He and many others prove this. It also doesn't mean you're guilty of everything you're accused of. Maybe if you had access to his numerous non-disclosure settlements you would have a better idea of what he is accused of. No one is forcing him to sell. The owner is getting up in age and he has had health issues. He's making a decisions that he believes is best for himself. Times change. Behavior that was more tolerated before is less tolerated now. He is prudently walking away from the impending storm. That's the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: Maybe if you had access to his numerous non-disclosure settlements you would have a better idea of what he is accused of. No one is forcing him to sell. The owner is getting up in age and he has had health issues. He's making a decisions that he believes is best for himself. Times change. Behavior that was more tolerated before is less tolerated now. He is prudently walking away from the impending storm. That's the right thing to do. Maybe, maybe not. NDA's are NDA's. Maybe your access to them would paint a different picture. When you're worth billions you may consider all of this to be worthless and just cash out with billions more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Maybe, maybe not. NDA's are NDA's. Maybe your access to them would paint a different picture. When you're worth billions you may consider all of this to be worthless and just cash out with billions more. Common sense tells you that when a person settles a number of harassment cases with non-disclosure clauses it is to protect the person settling the claim more than it is to protect the person making the complaint. I'm willing/open to giving people who are in a vulnerable position (wealthy and public figures) the benefit of the doubt, especially if the evidence is scant against them. But when you have multiple cases of similar claims all settled by the accused with the same ND clauses then the red flags have a starker meaning. As I said before at this time in his life selling is the right thing for him to do for himself. Edited December 18, 2017 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Diddy is certainly more interesting but Curry can easily be involved. He’s guaranteed over $400M in the next 5 years alone. For comparisons sake, that is Bon Jovi’s entire net worth and he took a run at majority ownership. Curry has a substantial equity stake in Under Armor as well and it is believed that he is worth about $14B to the company. He could certainly leverage Kevin Plank into joining him. Bon Jovi was going through it as a majority owner, he, like Jeter and the Marlins was goi g to be the figurehead owner with a minority stake. Similar also to Jordan and the NBA franchises he has owned. They are part of a group and because of their celebrity status are used as the face of the ownership group. Curry may be making $400 million plus a sponsorship deal with UA, but it's still not enough for a team or majority ownership unless he lives off another income and the entire contract was already paid to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 13 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: I hear they are being relocated to Lancaster. Is Lancaster Larry your "source?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, JohnC said: Common sense tells you that when a person settles a number of harassment cases with non-disclosure clauses it is to protect the person settling the claim more than it is to protect the person making the complaint. I'm willing/open to giving people who are in a vulnerable position (wealthy and public figures) the benefit of the doubt, especially if the evidence is scant against them. But when you have multiple cases of similar claims all settled by the accused with the same ND clauses then the red flags have a starker meaning. As I said before at this time in his life selling is the right thing for him to do for himself. I don't disagree at all. His reputation in the Carolinas is well known. But, just once I'd like to see some of these guys fight it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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apuszczalowski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: I don't disagree at all. His reputation in the Carolinas is well known. But, just once I'd like to see some of these guys fight it. Hard to fight it if they are guilty though. And in many of these cases it seemed that the allegations are true and it's why they aren't pitting up much of a fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Ha ha, I can’t imagine that it would sit well with the players either. “Wait a minute we are out here killing ourselves and could be cut tomorrow and this 29 year-old basketball player is one of the people cutting our checks?!?” I tossed it out early as an option but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him involved at some level. Yeah they already hate that nba players have guaranteed contracts and make so much more than they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: I don't disagree at all. His reputation in the Carolinas is well known. But, just once I'd like to see some of these guys fight it. There's a good reason for him not to fight it out. It's simple: He knows the truth! There is a recent case where someone was trying to extort the comedian Kevin Hart over an extra-marital affair. He went to the authorities and publicly admitted what happened. The woman he was involved with claimed she wasn't the one who was doing the extorting and she also was a victim. It could have been a third party who rigged the room with hidden cameras. Who knows? The point is that he was willing to fight the extortion effort and was willing to do so in the public arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 20 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Hard to fight it if they are guilty though. And in many of these cases it seemed that the allegations are true and it's why they aren't pitting up much of a fight Well, good thing this country is founded on innocent until proven guilty. High five! America! Woohoo! 24 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The NFL investigation isn't worth dog poo. They can't really do anything to Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 35 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There is no way the owners would let it come to a vote to remove the teams form his ownership over this type of behavior (short of criminal behavior). He will sell and the investigation will at some point bring out the dirty details and that will be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 29 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Well, good thing this country is founded on innocent until proven guilty. High five! America! Woohoo! The NFL investigation isn't worth dog poo. They can't really do anything to Richardson. they could have forced him to sell the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: The company's market cap value is only 6 billion---and it has been tanking for almost 2 years (27 billion in 4/16). Curry should unload his UA stake. That was when they were at $28B. Obviously it has changed. 1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said: Bon Jovi was going through it as a majority owner, he, like Jeter and the Marlins was goi g to be the figurehead owner with a minority stake. Similar also to Jordan and the NBA franchises he has owned. They are part of a group and because of their celebrity status are used as the face of the ownership group. Curry may be making $400 million plus a sponsorship deal with UA, but it's still not enough for a team or majority ownership unless he lives off another income and the entire contract was already paid to him. I am not suggesting him as the majority owner. I am suggesting that he is a part of a larger group. The NFL likes one main voting owner and that wouldn’t be him. I’m suggesting that he has the capital to be involved in a way that Jim Kelly didn’t. That’s how this conversation began. Even Jeter only has a net worth of $185M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: ? Yeah, good luck on that. I'd tune tf out a helluva lot more. And Charlotte carolina is the atmosphere which would love his hypocrisy because they're about as big of frauds as there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Boyst62 said: Well, good thing this country is founded on innocent until proven guilty. High five! America! Woohoo! So he is supposed to fight it anyway, even if he knows he is guilty and it will be proven that he was just because? There is a very good chance that he is doing this because he knows that its not worth fighting because he won't win fighting it since he is guilty of it. That is why most people settle out of court when guilty, or try to, because they know they won't win of they fight to say it didn't happen and there may be more things that come out public then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: So he is supposed to fight it anyway, even if he knows he is guilty and it will be proven that he was just because? There is a very good chance that he is doing this because he knows that its not worth fighting because he won't win fighting it since he is guilty of it. That is why most people settle out of court when guilty, or try to, because they know they won't win of they fight to say it didn't happen and there may be more things that come out public then. When it's cheaper and easier to just settle it out of court you do that. And when you're 70somethjng. Can make $3billion for nothing and move on with your life. You do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Boyst62 said: Maybe, maybe not. NDA's are NDA's. Maybe your access to them would paint a different picture. When you're worth billions you may consider all of this to be worthless and just cash out with billions more. You love defending racist scumbags. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: When it's cheaper and easier to just settle it out of court you do that. And when you're 70somethjng. Can make $3billion for nothing and move on with your life. You do it I think he’s 81 and he had heart bypass a few years ago. At this point he probably does not feel going down this road is worth it. Best to just sell the team had move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: You love defending racist scumbags. Why? Free speech goes both ways. I'll defend snowflakes just as much. I have and will defend both sides of freedom. America! Just now, YoloinOhio said: I think he’s 81 and he had heart bypass a few years ago. At this point he probably does not feel going down this road is worth it. Best to just sell the team had move on. Agreed. At this point 20 years ago he would have just been cast as that old man who is a creep. What's funny about all of this is the irony. PDiddy wanting to buy the team, Kaepernick and Curry. I cannot imagine the headlines if they bought the team to unveil their racism, sexism, ism, ism, ism and ism. Diddy has had sexual harassment issues. Curry likely has too. Kaepernick is a flaming racist. So, they'd be no different than an old southern boy like Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Free speech goes both ways. I'll defend snowflakes just as much. I have and will defend both sides of freedom. America! Yet, you trash Cam Newton for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 He would change it to a dome so its a giant hot box 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, dwight in philly said: ? & Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I won't lie, it's taking a lot of will power to refrain from one of those "IN" posts. An INternal argument I'm surely going to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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