Boatdrinks Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 32 minutes ago, Chris66 said: Coaching in this league is horrible. Thats why. The only coach that understands situational football is Bellichick Such a crock. The Patriots win more often than not because they have Brady. Sometimes Gronkowski but that's not as big a factor. It's not Belichick. James was wide open for TD, couldn't make a routine clean catch. That's not Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: Well, I guess that throws a wrench into NE being the "greatest team of all time" then. That's why you can't compare eras. Or you could say this will never happen again in a salary cap era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: Well, I guess that throws a wrench into NE being the "greatest team of all time" then. That's the point. Those 49ers teams were loaded with HOF players, not just the QB and the coach and maybe a TE. That's why you can't compare eras. That's also why it's a joke to call NE the greatest team of all time. Exactly. They may have had the longest run, simply because the key components stayed together where others did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Such a crock. The Patriots win more often than not because they have Brady. Sometimes Gronkowski but that's not as big a factor. It's not Belichick. James was wide open for TD, couldn't make a routine clean catch. That's not Belichick. No but the remainder of that series was Tomlin having his head up his butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Chris66 said: Or you could say this will never happen again in a salary cap era. Probably not. Perfect storm of a QB and HC having success EARLY enough that both get to stick around. You need a somewhat young(ish) HC with a very young QB to play together for this long. IF you get a veteran QB and a decent but veteran HC one or both will be retired by the time 10 years goes by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Chris66 said: No but the remainder of that series was Tomlin having his head up his butt. No, the next pass was a good play, Butler just made an amazing play keeping the guy inbounds which then caused the Steelers to crap all over themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Chris66 said: No but the remainder of that series was Tomlin having his head up his butt. Roethlisberger should have thrown it out the back of the end zone. Not coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris66 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Roethlisberger should have thrown it out the back of the end zone. Not coaching. Rothlisburger wanted to clock it. Tomlin told him not to. By the time they got that it was under 15 seconds on play clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Eli Manning likes the catch rule: 'I think it is clear' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 All I can hope for is that the Steelers make it to the AFC Title game where NE will be fresh of 2 bye weeks and take it to them, keeping this game in their back of their minds as extra motivation to get those extra yards in the running game Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Eli Manning likes the catch rule: 'I think it is clear' bench the SOB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Chris66 said: Rothlisburger wanted to clock it. Tomlin told him not to. By the time they got that it was under 15 seconds on play clock Still enough time . Throw it out the back of the end zone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Still enough time . Throw it out the back of the end zone . They didnt have a play called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: All I can hope for is that the Steelers make it to the AFC Title game where NE will be fresh of 2 bye weeks and take it to them, keeping this game in their back of their minds as extra motivation to get those extra yards in the running game bench the SOB! Interesting ... I'm just hoping the Pats get knocked off and don't make the title game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: All I can hope for is that the Steelers make it to the AFC Title game where NE will be fresh of 2 bye weeks and take it to them, keeping this game in their back of their minds as extra motivation to get those extra yards in the running game bench the SOB! They won't, I personally expect the Jags be the AFCCG game with the Pats. as for Eli, he wants stay on his New HC good side. (Rumor is McDaniels is going get the Giants Job) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Chris66 said: They didnt have a play called. You're right, it was a great decision by Ben to throw it where he did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: You're right, it was a great decision by Ben to throw it where he did. Hey I thought that was his best throw all game! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Peyton and Eli, and to some degree Flacco, are about the only QBs who have been able to have any kind of success against NE. I think of the QBs Brady faced in the Super Bowl.... Warner: probably Brady's most impressive win was VS the Rams, though the Pats defense having the Rams plays probably helped... still took a last second FG Delhomme: a cute story for a year or two... boats with fans on them riding through swamps to gramma's house where everyone is eating gumbo and cheering on the bayou boy made for some fun stories pre-game McNabb: LITERALLY threw up all over himself when it mattered most Wilson: another impressive win for Brady, given that he had to come back to do it against what was supposedly a great defense Ryan: literally looked like he had just seen a ghost at the overtime coin toss... seldom do you see a QB so clearly rattled Eli: a decent career overall and somehow made the plays when he needed to, unlike most of the above SB QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Peyton and Eli, and to some degree Flacco, are about the only QBs who have been able to have any kind of success against NE. I think of the QBs Brady faced in the Super Bowl.... Warner: probably Brady's most impressive win was VS the Rams, though the Pats defense having the Rams plays probably helped... still took a last second FG Delhomme: a cute story for a year or two... boats with fans on them riding through swamps to gramma's house where everyone is eating gumbo and cheering on the bayou boy made for some fun stories pre-game McNabb: LITERALLY threw up all over himself when it mattered most Wilson: another impressive win for Brady, given that he had to come back to do it against what was supposedly a great defense Ryan: literally looked like he had just seen a ghost at the overtime coin toss... seldom do you see a QB so clearly rattled Eli: a decent career overall and somehow made the plays when he needed to, unlike most of the above SB QBs Umm the Rams game was all regards spygate which was about defense signals. Othing do with O. And if your talking about that damn Boston Globe article which was retracted a week later as lies then wel ok.. ? eli had coughlin.. without him he and the Giants get smoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 A Reddit user made this flowchart to help explain what a catch is before the Steelers-Patriots game on Sunday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 46 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: They won't, I personally expect the Jags be the AFCCG game with the Pats. as for Eli, he wants stay on his New HC good side. (Rumor is McDaniels is going get the Giants Job) I expect the pats to be there, as well. But hope they won't. I hope Tom Brady gets hit by a bus and can't walk again, living his life a parallelogram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 On 12/17/2017 at 7:21 PM, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: only the patsies** could win a game like that. THIS is why GOAT and Patriots is a !@#$ing farce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) This is actually a pretty well made flow chart except for incorrect symbols. . Was the highlighted box conclusive to overturn a play called TD? Still trying to understand how this was not overturned? Edited December 19, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said: Umm the Rams game was all regards spygate which was about defense signals. Othing do with O. And if your talking about that damn Boston Globe article which was retracted a week later as lies then wel ok.. ? eli had coughlin.. without him he and the Giants get smoked. The Patriots never smoked anyone in a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 37 minutes ago, Success said: The Patriots never smoked anyone in a Super Bowl. Read what I said, I said Eli without Coighlin would get smoked. As in the reason they won was because of coughlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 50 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Still trying to understand how this was not overturned? pretty evident considering the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: pretty evident considering the team. (Act like everyone here) well I don't see the ball touching the ground it is clearly on his arm ?. But seriously that shows me nothing did he regain complete control before hitting the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 36 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: (Act like everyone here) well I don't see the ball touching the ground it is clearly on his arm ?. But seriously that shows me nothing did he regain complete control before hitting the ground? Watch the video Rolls up his stomach after clearly hitting the ground with no hand under the ball. That is by the NFL rule not a catch. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/STm-jMucxR4ChmzZTF3TC0CG8nE=/0x0:530x298/720x0/filters:focal(0x0:530x298):gifv():no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9325645/cookstd.0.gif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: The crux of the matter is: what is a catch? Does anyone really know? I'm sure the NFL has defined it, but the definition appears to be hazy, or fluid at least. This needs to be made more clear, and possibly simplified. Id honestly say they made it very clear, but fans (and some players, coaches etc..) don’t like it and are arguing it should be hazier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Watch the video Rolls up his stomach after clearly hitting the ground with no hand under the ball. That is by the NFL rule not a catch. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/STm-jMucxR4ChmzZTF3TC0CG8nE=/0x0:530x298/720x0/filters:focal(0x0:530x298):gifv():no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9325645/cookstd.0.gif If I remember right he has to also "fail to maintain control" I could be wrong.. but this one you can not tell if he maintain control or not from this angle. Like I have said before they easily could have ruled it incomplete. All depends on the refs you get and the angles they have for the catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 4 hours ago, apuszczalowski said: How is it a made up standard? Almost Every time there is a replay on tv the always talk about how the refs have to have conclusive evidence in the replay in order to overturn a call made on the field. You can't say without any possible doubts that the ball is loose and on the ground from any angle or photo available right now. That's the problem with the call “Has to be seen” and “conclusive” aren’t the same thing. we can conclude plenty of things through various deductions without seeing. And I also feel like I see it. Agree to disagree at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I will truly cherish the day when the football world isn’t consumed with everything the patriots do and games/calls like this past Sunday get zero attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Success said: I will truly cherish the day when the football world isn’t consumed with everything the patriots do and games/calls like this past Sunday get zero attention. Well the GAME deserved the attention it was a great game no matter what laundry they were wearing both teams put in a hell of a show! And as for calls like that, I love the fact most can discuss it rationally without getting their underwear in a bunch. It's a good thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 8 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: (Act like everyone here) well I don't see the ball touching the ground it is clearly on his arm ?. But seriously that shows me nothing did he regain complete control before hitting the ground? The James play and the Cooks play are nearly identical. If you put a gun to my head I'd probably say both were bobbles and the ground assisted with the catch. But the replay from neither showed irrefutable evidence. Both plays should have stood. If you're going to reverse one, you have to reverse the the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 The problem for me with the rule as it is, the end zone should be different imo. The instant you establish two feet down and break the plane with the ball in your possession it should b a Td, play over. The same for a catch in the endzone. Two feet down with clear possession in the end zone should be a Td. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, Turk71 said: The problem for me with the rule as it is, the end zone should be different imo. The instant you establish two feet down and break the plane with the ball in your possession it should b a Td, play over. The same for a catch in the endzone. Two feet down with clear possession in the end zone should be a Td. Agree. It seems like there are 3 sets of catch rules. One for the end zone, one for the sideline and one for within the field of play. This may not be true but when you watch how games are officiated, it appears there are 3 different interpretations of what is/isn't a catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricko1112 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/18/2017 at 3:00 PM, Happy Gilmore said: Not making anything up, ricko. Look at the gif of the catch below and tell me you can for certain say the ball hit the ground. Looks to me that James had possession of it during the entire process. As far as your Gronk scenario, not applicable. It would probably not be questioned, or if it was, never overturned. It's very clear that he lost total control. The Earth is a sphere, gravity is real, and man landed on the Moon. Don't deny the obvious. If it was Gronk in this position, he would have gotten flagged for OPI. Sunday will go a long way to determine how the new culture of the Bills is progressing. With Rex, the defense would absolutely sabotage the playoffs for a chance to deliberately injure Gronk. On a different note, good luck against Miami. I really mean that. The Bills' fans are more passionate and loyal. You expect so much more from your team. On 12/18/2017 at 9:23 PM, apuszczalowski said: So what your saying is you have no evidence showing the ball actually touching the ground? Unless you are Ray Charles or Stevie Wonder, it's pretty obvious that the ball was on the ground. Watch the video and let the obvious truth set you free! The only people who don't see this are those that don't want to because they are blinded by jealousy! In all seriousness, good luck against Miami! It would be great to have you guys back in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, ricko1112 said: It's very clear that he lost total control. The Earth is a sphere, gravity is real, and man landed on the Moon. Don't deny the obvious. If it was Gronk in this position, he would have gotten flagged for OPI. Sunday will go a long way to determine how the new culture of the Bills is progressing. With Rex, the defense would absolutely sabotage the playoffs for a chance to deliberately injure Gronk. On a different note, good luck against Miami. I really mean that. The Bills' fans are more passionate and loyal. You expect so much more from your team. Fine, have it your way, I'm tired of talking about it. Enjoy yet another ill-gotten win. Gronk, flagged for OPI?! Puleez...not a chance. Mad Cow infected Meathead shouldn't have even been playing last Sunday if there was actual justice in the NFL. We control our own destiny at this point, just have to win out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricko1112 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Fine, have it your way, I'm tired of talking about it. Enjoy yet another ill-gotten win. Gronk, flagged for OPI?! Puleez...not a chance. Mad Cow infected Meathead shouldn't have even been playing last Sunday if there was actual justice in the NFL. We control our own destiny at this point, just have to win out. The 1st ill-gotten will be the first. You won't win out, but the win against Miami will still give you a chance, no? Merry Christmas bud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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