RyanC883 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, RyanC883 said: it took them MUCH longer than 20 seconds. First, it was a TD, second, the call on the field stands even if it's debatable, unless it is conclusive otherwise. It wasn't. 1 minute ago, Avisan said: Not how it works. Do you remember the Calvin Johnson TD that got ruled an incomplete? Same principle. If you're going to the ground, you better make darn sure the point doesn't graze the ground if the ball shifts. that is how it works. The Johnson play was much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Avisan said: He has to MAINTAIN possession. It's part of catching the ball when going to ground. The ball can shift. The ball can't shift and touch the ground. The moment the point hit the ground, no catch. He had a knee ON THE GROUND with the ball IN BOTH HANDS. He then extended the ball and broke the plane, and the ball "hit the ground." Bullcrap rule, bullcrap call, bullcrap league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisan Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, MattM said: Looking at the low low post count, I might guess a Pats* troll is more likely. Used to post on BBMB, just haven't logged in to post much here. I travel a lot for work and haven't been able to be as active of a Bills fan as I've wanted to be the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Avisan said: He has to MAINTAIN possession. It's part of catching the ball when going to ground. The ball can shift. The ball can't shift and touch the ground. The moment the point hit the ground, no catch. Very impressive trolling job, Avisan! Actually, the ball CAN touch the ground, as long as the player maintains control of it...and he did have one hand UNDER the ball, controlling it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisan Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: He didn’t ever lose possession of the ball. The ball shiftjng and touching the ground while still in someone’s had isn’t lost, it’s just that, the ball moving. Do you realise how silly what you are actually trying to argue? and the call on the field should have stood unless there was irrefutable evidence. If the ball shifts and touches the ground, he loses possession due to the shift and the ground helps him control the ball. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Iron Maiden said: Yep.....It was called properly..... PS: Nice to see you back my friend ..... Thank IM - I was having a hard time posting for awhile...software issue. Serious withdrawal. Good to be back in time for our epic playoff run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisan Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, John in Jax said: Very impressive trolling job, Avisan! Actually, the ball CAN touch the ground, as long as the player maintains control of it...and he did have one hand UNDER the ball, controlling it. Having a hand under the ball doesn't mean he was controlling it. Rear point drags on the ground, which means the ground helped him control it. Basic stuff, ya'll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, Doc said: Go F yourself. I just like to check for sure when people throw out those comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Avisan said: Having a hand under the ball doesn't mean he was controlling it. Rear point drags on the ground, which means the ground helped him control it. Basic stuff, ya'll. This is incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Avisan said: If the ball shifts and touches the ground, he loses possession due to the shift and the ground helps him control the ball. It's that simple. You are 100% incorrect my friend. The ball has to "assist" in the catch. He catches it regardless of if the ground is there. He had both hands on the ball. It's that simple. For the ground to "assist" a catch, the ground needs to be irreplaceable--meaning that without it there is no catch. Dictionary Def of Assist: help (someone), typically by doing a share of the work. The ground did NO work here, much less a "share" of the work. Therefore the replay crew got it wrong. And second, the call on the field should stand. The fact this is being debated so much everywhere proves the point. 3 minutes ago, Avisan said: If the ball shifts and touches the ground, he loses possession due to the shift and the ground helps him control the ball. It's that simple. A ball touching the ground does not mean it helped him catch the ball. And he never lost possession prior to it "touching" the ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisan Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, RyanC883 said: You are 100% incorrect my friend. The ball has to "assist" in the catch. He catches it regardless of if the ground is there. He had both hands on the ball. It's that simple. For the ground to "assist" a catch, the ground needs to be irreplaceable--meaning that without it there is no catch. Dictionary Def of Assist: help (someone), typically by doing a share of the work. The ground did NO work here, much less a "share" of the work. Therefore the replay crew got it wrong. And second, the call on the field should stand. The fact this is being debated so much everywhere proves the point. He had possession. He lost it with the shift. The ground helped him regain. Whether he would have eventually regained without the help of the ground is irrelevant-- the ground helped when the point hit. If the ball never shifts, it's a clear catch. It shifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Avisan said: Having a hand under the ball doesn't mean he was controlling it. Rear point drags on the ground, which means the ground helped him control it. Basic stuff, ya'll. first you stated the rear point "hit," now it's "drags." It didn't "drag," it scrapped the ground for a second while in full control of James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Avisan said: If the ball shifts and touches the ground, he loses possession due to the shift and the ground helps him control the ball. It's that simple. You troll skills are actually pretty good here. And where on this play does the ground help him control the ball? Where is the irrefutable evidence? The tips of the ball touching the ground aren’t helping him control the ball, I’m sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisan Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, RyanC883 said: first you stated the rear point "hit," now it's "drags." It didn't "drag," it scrapped the ground for a second while in full control of James. You're grasping at semantic straws, and confusing a hand being under the ball with full control. Full control means the ball isn't shifting in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, Avisan said: Having a hand under the ball doesn't mean he was controlling it. Rear point drags on the ground, which means the ground helped him control it. Basic stuff, ya'll. Roger Goodell wants to know where the cheque should be mailed to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Avisan said: He had possession. He lost it with the shift. The ground helped him regain. Whether he would have eventually regained without the help of the ground is irrelevant-- the ground helped when the point hit. If the ball never shifts, it's a clear catch. It shifted. the rule is it must assist. Assist has a very basic definition. He had control, therefore the ground did not assist. It was not "moving" when it hit the ground. And, it was too close to overturn. No team but the Pats*** gets that call (or Gronk for this game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Avisan said: Having a hand under the ball doesn't mean he was controlling it. Rear point drags on the ground, which means the ground helped him control it. Basic stuff, ya'll. The ground never helped him CONTROL the ball. He had control of the ball when he move the ball to his body and then extended it to break the plan of the goal line, (with a knee on the ground). The ball shifted after it broke the goal line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Avisan said: You're grasping at semantic straws, and confusing a hand being under the ball with full control. Full control means the ball isn't shifting in his hands. You're grasping to continue to put forth a coherent argument. You've been proven wrong. the ball was not "shifting". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 NFL needs to investigate Corrente's Crew. First they screwed the Jets for the Pats and now the Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Regardless the ball broke the plain before there were any control issues and he had completed a football move prior to losing control. Anyway you look at it Touchdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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