Gronk committed deliberate, intentional, and defenseless criminal assault with his metal elbow brace

[Bangarang]

Just now, Wily Dog said:

of course you cannot advertise what you are going to do , but in the game next year , in Buffalo , Gronk or Brady should have to pay. 

 

Pay in what way? 

[YoloinOhio]

This is not a, ahem, Bills fan

 

 

[Gugny]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is not a, ahem, Bills fan

 

 

 

Who the, ahem, hell is he?

[Bing Bong]

To a rookie no less.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

of course you cannot advertise what you are going to do , but in the game next year , in Buffalo , Gronk or Brady should have to pay. 

Trust they won't wait till next year. You're going to see a brawl in foxboro...

[Turk71]

He purposely used a big metal brace to smash the back of a guys head who is lying face down unsuspecting because the play was long over. He also wound up beforehand. 100% assault in no way part of a football play. What a cowardly despicable act by a guy 70 lbs heavier all because he was frustrated. Only one game is a joke. What a Scumbag

3 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

He should be fined six figures and be suspended one game minimum. I'm all for a rule that stipulates that if you intend to injure a player and succeed, you sit out as many games as your victim.

 

It was a cowardly act by a complete meat head and it strongly resembled roid rage ... The league should've tested him for steroids and HGH yesterday. I'm betting he'd fail.

I said the same thing about him using. He definitely looked jacked up on something.

[Plano]

11 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

that literally makes me sick and it pisses me off that nobody dropped a  knee on his spine repeatedly until he stopped moving. 

 

!@#$ gronk 

[Punching Bag]

11 hours ago, Gugny said:

Hyperbole much?

 

It was a dirty hit.  Very dirty.  But no one came close to dying and he shouldn't be brought up on criminal charges.  This wasn't a curling match, for Christ's sake. 

 

Not surprising from a known P*ts apologizer.  You should be Gronk's dialog writer.

[Gugny]

5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Not surprising from a known P*ts apologizer.  You should be Gronk's dialog writer.

 

What took you so long??

[Punching Bag]

Just now, Gugny said:

 

What took you so long??

 

Just logged on, have not posted for a while as you can see from history.

[Andy1]

I noticed Gronk stutter steps before the hit to get his body lined up to aim his hit. By using his elbow brace as a weapon - I agree that it proves that it is not needed for medical reasons and should not be allowed to be worn. I'm not aware of anyone else in the NFL who wears such a brace. 

 

The punishments for intentional, unnecessary roughness are ridiculously minor. 15 yards is nothing for a dirty hit that could have a lasting influence on a game or a career. Suspension penalty should be based upon severity of the injury making it roughly equal to the time missed by the victim of the dirty hit. 

[Gugny]

14 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Just logged on, have not posted for a while as you can see from history.

 

I don't look at others' histories.  That's creepy.

[Doc]

Not sure how you reconcile giving Talib and Crabtree 2 games (appealed down to 1) and only give this DB just 1?

[Gugny]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

Not sure how you reconcile giving Talib and Crabtree 2 games (appealed down to 1) and only give this DB just 1?

 

I wholeheartedly agree with this.  Makes no sense.

[Manther]

11 hours ago, Jobot said:

Let's take it easy.... more than half of this fan base frustration is that the Pats just dominated and will continue to dominate the Bills so long as Brady is around.  Cheap shot... Yes... Criminal act... come on now...

 

The way White was holding him all game... it's understandable that Gronk's frustration would have been at a high level.  Although what he did is still not acceptable, it is understandable.

Huh....wowsers

[danc]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Trust they won't wait till next year. You're going to see a brawl in foxboro...

Sign Rob Ray for the trip to foxboro.

[Fadingpain]

There is a lot of ignorance of the law in this 12 page discussion.

 

Criminal conduct in a sporting contest is a sticky area of the law, with no clear bright line rule one way or the other.

 

If you are interested in learning more about this aspect of the law, this article is a good primer.

 

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21639527-courts-are-increasingly-being-asked-rule-injuries-inflicted-during-games-fair-game

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

There is a lot of ignorance of the law in this 12 page discussion.

 

Criminal conduct in a sporting contest is a sticky area of the law, with no clear bright line rule one way or the other.

 

If you are interested in learning more about this aspect of the law, this article is a good primer.

 

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21639527-courts-are-increasingly-being-asked-rule-injuries-inflicted-during-games-fair-game

Good link. I would recommend people read it.  But I disagree with your comment that there is "no clear bright line rule" regarding criminal conduct. The Economist article suggests where that rule lies:  "The criteria courts have used are whether an athlete intended to hurt a victim, whether serious harm resulted, whether the type of attack was prohibited by the sport and whether it occurred when play was suspended or terminated. When all are met, criminal prosecution is likely."

- Intent to hurt?  Gronk can be seen taking that stutter step to line up his arm brace with Tre's head as he falls on him

- Prohibited by the sport? Yes. And the 1 game suspension (and penalty) proves it

- Whether it occurred when play was suspended or terminated? Yes. No question the play was whistled dead before Gronk went into his flop move.

Now, as we all know not everything that technically is criminal conduct is prosecuted. But although not as violent a hit as many others we see in the NFL, this is actually a rare one in which all 3 elements are satisfied. 

I suggested earlier that an aggressive (and perhaps politically ambitious?) DA somewhere actually will prosecute this type of illegal hit somewhere. Actually, I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen in the next few years. There's a big storm of criticism of the NFL as an inherently unsafe/abusive league, and a lot of games are played in jurisdictions with very liberal/pro-labor/anti-NFL sentiment.  That means aggressively anti-NFL DAs and potential jurors. I don't want that to happen, but if the NFL is going to prevent it from happening, it needs to get its act together. And fast. As Gruden said tonight, "what does a player need to do to get kicked out of a game?" And it's a fair question. 

[cba fan]

If I was Tre I would have gone full soccer fake.

 

Literally laid there motionless eyes closed on my back just breathing contently and let them immobilize my head neck spine and have an ambulance take me off. To be safe that would have been a smart move. Being concussed he can't really be sure what is injured and of course may not be aware enough to go full soccer fake.

 

Let Gronk think about how he could have just killed or paralyzed someone.

Of course when they break out the smelling salts my gig would have been up.

Edited December 5, 2017 by cba fan

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 12/4/2017 at 11:59 AM, Binghamton Beast said:

 

You are arguing NYS penal law matters with the wrong person. In no way, shape or form would Grinkowski’s elbow brace be considered a deadly weapon.

 

Now, go look up dangerous instrument.

State of New York, you are 100% correct, other states different issue. NYS penal code list is very specific