Tyrod to start vs Chiefs

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, JM2009 said:

Let's start Peterman again with a bad O line and maybe this time he can throw 10 interceptions, and ruin his career and confidence for good. But your agenda would be fulfilled.

 

So? it's obvious peterman ain't the answer either.

 

Get them BOTH out of here. Draft a guy and bring in a mccown or something to take the lumps early.

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, JM2009 said:

Let's start Peterman again with a bad O line and maybe this time he can throw 10 interceptions, and ruin his career and confidence for good. But your agenda would be fulfilled.

Yep the defense isn't a problem at all. And I think TT can beat Miami and the Colts at home. By the way, KC and NE are better teams then the Bills. Hard for you to believe, I know.

 

I'm not sure. Jets a team we should of beat. Steam rolled us badly............ Saints rolled on us at home horribly...

 

Not putting it all on Tyrod maybe little bit but putting major accountability others parts of team first.

[JM2009]

3 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

So? it's obvious peterman ain't the answer either.

 

Get them BOTH out of here. Draft a guy and bring in a mccown or something to take the lumps early.

 

A drafted QB could sit behind TT too. Won't happen. But I hope he goes someplace where he is appreciated more.

1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

I'm not sure. Jets a team we should of beat. Steam rolled us badly............ Saints rolled on us at home horribly...

 

Not putting it all on Tyrod maybe little bit but putting major accountability others parts of team first.

It looks like if the defense can't produce turnovers, they become ineffective.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, JM2009 said:

A drafted QB could sit behind TT too. Won't happen. But I hope he goes someplace where he is appreciated more.

It looks like if the defense can't produce turnovers, they become ineffective.

 

Let me ask you a question:

 

Why are you so desperate to see this guy stay here and start?

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 minutes ago, JM2009 said:

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Only two things could persuade McDermott to put Tyrod back in: An admission that he grossly overrated Peterman's readiness to start The locker room would revolt if he stayed with Peterman Or some combo of both

...seriously?......locker room revolt?....you're paying me 1, 2 or 3+ mil a year to play a stupid game and I'm gonna pout and pee in the HC's Wheaties so I get get cut next year and hope to find work as a malcontent?.....makes PERFECT sense............

[JM2009]

2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Let me ask you a question:

 

Why are you so desperate to see this guy stay here and start?

 

He's the best we have and will have in the near future. He isn't horrible like your bunch claims he is. His unique skills are not appreciated by far too many. I like him here till we for sure have better. Your group would rather kick him off the team even though the replacements are far worse, just to satisfy a very strange agenda.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 minutes ago, JM2009 said:

 

Yep the defense isn't a problem at all. And I think TT can beat Miami and the Colts at home. By the way, KC and NE are better teams then the Bills. Hard for you to believe, I know.

 

no ****? Wow! It's a revelation!

 

Point is, the season's over after the next two weeks. No point in clinging to false hope.

 

[Jerome007]

All this discussion about tanking sure indicates the NFL should do like the NHL and have a form of "draft lottery". You're not supposed to be rewarded too much for losing!

[JM2009]

10 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

no ****? Wow! It's a revelation!

 

Point is, the season's over after the next two weeks. No point in clinging to false hope.

 

I don't want to lose to Miami or the Colts at home. Starting 5-2 and finishing  5-11 would be an epic disaster.  Still can finish 8-8 with a ton of draft picks.

[3rdand12]

10 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

no ****? Wow! It's a revelation!

 

Point is, the season's over after the next two weeks. No point in clinging to false hope.

 

Many may have lost any hope, and I might well be one of those Fans, but the season is not over. Still could have some interesting twists.

 I want to see how McBeanes manage this "crisis" they created

[JM2009]

1 minute ago, Jerome007 said:

All this discussion about tanking sure indicates the NFL should do like the NHL and have a form of "draft lottery". You're not supposed to be rewarded too much for losing!

And there is no guarantee that any pick will pan out. Look at Cleveland. We have no idea yet how well these guys will draft.

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

All this discussion about tanking sure indicates the NFL should do like the NHL and have a form of "draft lottery". You're not supposed to be rewarded too much for losing!

don't worry, drafting for the Bills has been a crapshoot for decades. Not really an advantage

[26CornerBlitz]

But aside from a painfully stubborn sect of Buffalo’s fan base intent on chasing Taylor—the best quarterback the franchise has had since Drew Bledsoe—out of town, who didn’t wonder if it was a bad idea to give Peterman his first start on the road against the league’s most productive tandem of edge-crashing pass rushers?

 

I’ve always wondered what a little humility injected into a coach’s decision-making process would sound like—perhaps a mixture of Mike Leach and Jeff Foxworthy. It’s understandable that McDermott had to draw out the decision and praise Peterman in order to keep his confidence up in case the Bills need to pivot back to him at some point. But let’s recognize how we’ve all helped create a place where coaches can’t just say Woah, OK, my bad. Apparently, that’s not what tough, measured leaders do. This is the past, present and future of quarterback changes in the NFL. At least this time, the right guy gets to play on Sunday.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

what's the do you want "win now" vs "win in the future"?

 

they wont be winning now and unless they manage to fill about 75% of the roster with some talent, mainly the QB, they wont be winning in the future either.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just now, JM2009 said:

And there is no guarantee that any pick will pan out. Look at Cleveland. We have no idea yet how well these guys will draft.

 

Agree on draft picks a bit. Tanking does not work well with teams unless you're doing horrible to start off then you're 1-7 or 2-8 or so then tank rest of way for draft pick. I hate tanking, Sabres tanked and still doing horrible. Browns tanked still winless.....

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

4 minutes ago, JM2009 said:

I don't want to lose to Miami or the Colts at home. Starting 5-2 and finishing  5-11 would be an epic disaster.  Still can finish 8-8 with a ton of draft picks.

 

the last three weeks have been an epic disaster and I see no light at the end of the tunnel.

[JM2009]

7 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

the last three weeks have been an epic disaster and I see no light at the end of the tunnel.

If they can't do enough to beat this Miami and Colts team at home, they are in even worse trouble than I thought.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

3 minutes ago, JM2009 said:

If they can't do enough to beat this Miami and Colts team at home, they are in even worse trouble than I thought.

 

 

I'm jaded. I held on to false hope longer than I should have, even going in to last week. my hopes for this season are toast and frankly I think they could lose out with the roster this team is fielding.

[JM2009]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

I'm jaded. I held on to false hope longer than I should have, even going in to last week. my hopes for this season are toast and frankly I think they could lose out with the roster this team is fielding.

We're all feeling it. What a disaster after such a promising start.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, JM2009 said:

We're all feeling it. What a disaster after such a lucky start.

 

Fixed that for you.

 

[TigerJ]

I'm not surprised, but then I would not have been terribly surprised if Peterman was named starter.  Assuming the Bills are trying to win games, I think it is the right decision, which is not to say I'm expecting a win this weekend.  It also does not surprise me that McDermott is taking criticism for the decision.  I think it is one of those situations where he's d***** if he does and d***** if he doesn't.  But then I think a lot of coaching decisions are like that unless they result in a win.

[Peter]

7 minutes ago, JM2009 said:

If they can't do enough to beat this Miami and Colts team at home, they are in even worse trouble than I thought.

 

I am guessing that those games are the only ones that we will be favored to win. 

 

It is going to be a long off season.  It is going to be interesting to see how many people renew their season tickets.  I probably will renew, but it is getting tougher and tougher to justify it as an out-of-town season ticket holder living in Miami.  This is especially so given that this year was the worst year that I have had re-selling tickets to games that I could not go to - I could not even sell the tickets to the home opener at face value and my tickets are on the 45 yard line in the lower bowl.  Right then, I knew that a lot of people did not have faith in the McBeane era.

[JM2009]

4 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Fixed that for you.

 

Incorrect. They forced turnovers. They work at that.It wasn't luck. TT played pretty well in the five wins. No luck.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, JM2009 said:

Incorrect. They forced turnovers. They work at that.It wasn't luck. TT played pretty well in the five wins. No luck.

oh, well, they must have stopped working at forcing turnovers then. my bad.

 

[JM2009]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

oh, well, they must have stopped working at forcing turnovers then. my bad.

 

Can't work every game. Competition is different. So all turnovers created in the NFL are luck. I see.

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

oh, well, they must have stopped working at forcing turnovers then. my bad.

 

I have JM2009 on ignore but since you keep quoting him, feel free to use this: http://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/research/general/79-examining-luck-in-nfl-turnovers

 

Over half a season's turnover differential is luck. Fact.

[JM2009]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I have JM2009 on ignore but since you keep quoting him, feel free to use this: http://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/research/general/79-examining-luck-in-nfl-turnovers

 

Over half a season's turnover differential is luck. Fact.

Your bunch seems to always argue with the more rational, polite posters. Being ignored by you is my badge of honor.

[1billsfan]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Okay, we'll narrow it down to their first 21 starts each.

Tyrod: 62.6% CMP, 206.3 YPG, 7.57 YPA, 29 TD, 8 INT, 5.07% TD%, 1.40% INT%, 96.9 Passer Rating, 6.81 ANY/A

Siemian: 60.2% CMP, 241.4 YPG, 6.92 YPA, 27 TD, 20 INT, 3.68% TD%, 2.73% INT%, 81.9 Passer Rating, 5.53 ANY/A

 

When you factor in Rushing & Sacks Tyrod goes up to 232.3 YPG and 35 TDs (1.67/G) and Siemian goes down to 231.9 YPG and 28 TDs (1.33/G).

 

Literally the only stat Siemian has an advantage in is passing yards per game, and that is completely negated by sacks & rushing...

 

That equates to Taylor having a 3 additional point advantage in collective Passing/Rushing TD output per game. That's less than half a touchdown difference in production. So he edges Siemian out in being the more productive QB.

 

Yet Siemian's benching hit a 0 on the "benching outrage meter" vs Taylor's benching hit a 100 on the "benching outrage meter".

 

The outrage was over the top in proportion to Taylor's actual production level.

 

[paulbills]

2 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:

The outrage was over the top in proportion to Taylor's actual production level.

Pretty much this, people seem to forget 9/18 for 56 yards in a must win game at home didn't cut it.

[phypon]

Honestly, this team is a complete horror show.  Just when you think it couldn't have gotten any worse...it has.  Tyrod is not the answer, Peterman does not look like the answer.  OC, DC, O line, D line....

 

The end of the season and the draft can't get here soon enough.  They need to work heavily on the lines and either draft a QB with their 1 pick or get a Luck or Cousins for a QB.  McD gets a year or two.  I'd like to give him at least 2 but if next year is more atrocious than this then I'd ice him.  Time for proven position coaches and players in FA.  This is totally sickening.  

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

oh, well, they must have stopped working at forcing turnovers then. my bad.

 

Bit harder to force turnovers when the other team just says "beepbeep" and runs over you.

[YesPlayoffs]

48 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:

Yet Siemian's benching hit a 0 on the "benching outrage meter" vs Taylor's benching hit a 100 on the "benching outrage meter".

 

Because Paxton Lynch is ten times the prospect that Peterman is.  It's not rocket science.

47 minutes ago, paulbills said:

Pretty much this, people seem to forget 9/18 for 56 yards in a must win game at home didn't cut it.

 

So you advocate the benching and tossing aside of a multiple-year starting quarterback for having one miserable game?

[1billsfan]

8 minutes ago, NoPlayoffs said:

 

Because Paxton Lynch is ten times the prospect that Peterman is.  It's not rocket science.

 

 

Trevor Siemian was benched for Brock Osweiler.

 

BTW, your declarative statement about Lynch cracked me up.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

39 minutes ago, NoPlayoffs said:

So you advocate the benching and tossing aside of a multiple-year starting quarterback for having one miserable game?

 

Precisely.  You can bench a two year starter for 1-2 bad games, but if you bench a rookie after 30 minutes of record-breaking wretched play, it's unfair.

Please get with the program.

Overthecap has an interesting blog on benching Taylor, pre game.  He speaks of Taylor being exposed to waivers if cut.  I don't understand how Taylor is considered to have less than 4 years of service and thus be exposed.

[YesPlayoffs]

19 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:

 

Trevor Siemian was benched for Brock Osweiler.

 

BTW, your declarative statement about Lynch cracked me up.

 

 

Let me spell it out slowly for you.  Siemian being benched wasn't much of a story because the Broncos have a young, former first round pick waiting in the wings...it doesn't matter if he was benched for Osweiler because neither of them are the Bronco's future.  That's why Lynch is starting this week...it was inevitable.  No one had any notion that Siemian was going to be the long term starter.

 

Meanwhile, we have a fifth rounder with a ceiling of career backup replacing a two year starter that everyone outside of Buffalo thinks is solid.

 

If you can't understand why one makes news and the other doesn't, then you're just being obtuse.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Here is how I feel about it. We know Peterman isn’t ready. So at this point just play Taylor. Taylor gives the team a chance, he has won some in the NFL. The reason to play Tyrod is for next season. If McDermott plays Peterman anymore this year he is going to have a tough time commanding respect from whoever comes back next year.

[mead107]

387 yds 

[YoloinOhio]

Tyrod has an opportunity to change the path of his career on Sunday. Throw the ball! 

[ProcessTheTrust]

47 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Tyrod has an opportunity to change the path of his career on Sunday. Throw the ball! 

It's a vicious cycle. It would seem with nothing to lose, the guy will start letting it rip. But he won't. He might for a little while but his default is to play it safe. TT would be a pretty scary QB if he consistently posed somewhat of a passing threat.

Edited November 23, 2017 by ProcessTheTrust