Lets just go for Kirk Cousins in the offseason

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Not without an easy out that is VERY cap friendly.  

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

With all of the Cousins discussions today and yesterday brought on by Dunkirk Don's reported "insider information" that the Bills are in the Cousins game if he makes it to FA, ESPN posted this graphic:

 

This obviously does not tell the whole story, but as we can Tyrod a few slots down - he runs when he doesn't need to and holds the ball too long and has amazing escapability - but Kirk is more the pocket passer - which IMHO means this graphic is more important to him.

Those state are not worth a plug nickel

 

How did Tom Brady do Sunday night when pressured? 

 

 0 for 11 or 0 for 13 on 3rd down?  

Edited December 13, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[SaviorPeterman]

On 11/19/2017 at 6:38 PM, Buffalo03 said:

I don't want to waste another 5 years waiting to see if a drafted QB is going to work out again. Lets just go for the proven guy. Go get Kirk Cousins in the offseason and focus the draft on other needs

 

We already have him, and possibly a better version in NP.

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

There's no such thing as a cap friendly deal for a franchise QB.

[BigBuff423]

47 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Not without an easy out that is VERY cap friendly.  

Those state are not worth a plug nickel

 

How did Tom Brady do Sunday night when pressured? 

 

 0 for 11 or 0 for 13 on 3rd down?  

 

I get your point, and I'm not saying this is or is not an endorsement of Cousins, I just thought it deserved to be resurfaced given the "hot debate" in the other two threads about Dennison and Cousins. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I get your point, and I'm not saying this is or is not an endorsement of Cousins, I just thought it deserved to be resurfaced given the "hot debate" in the other two threads about Dennison and Cousins. 

every QB out there is a "hot debate"  It's the nature of the beast when you are in QB purgatory  

[Tatonka68]

"PLEASE NO MORE 2ND HAND QUARTERBACKS!!!" If they are "ALL" that, why are they available?

[Mrbojanglezs]

Why does he keep getting franchised instead of Redskins signing him? Does he not want to sign there? Or do the Redskins not think he is good enough to risk a long term extension? 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

per  the local radio hosts , one being Steve Czaban, who are in contact with the team practically every day 

 

The FO is  just not sold on Kirk.  

[ddaryl]

21 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

"PLEASE NO MORE 2ND HAND QUARTERBACKS!!!" If they are "ALL" that, why are they available?

 

Cousins has been franchised tagged 2 years in a row. So he is an anomaly

 

A 3rd frachise tag on Cousins means the Skins have to pay him about $31 million for a season.

Edited December 13, 2017 by ddaryl

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 11/23/2017 at 9:39 AM, CanadianFan said:

Cousins is better for teams ready to compete for 10 win seasons.  He's a bit like Tyrod+. He is capable of winning a few games if your supporting cast is very good. He

isn't capable of elevating a team to another level like Deshaun Watson did with Texans. 

 

And right now we don't have the supporting cast, after Brandon Beane & McDermott started giving away our young talented players to other teams for nothing.  We are left with a bunch of old guys ready to retire in a year or two. And we gotta replace them too!  This wasn't a rebuild job. This was a frickin  ruin the franchise job. We're crap again after their gifts to other teams. and now we gotta build talent back up again. Just draft a good young QB along with getting better coaching staff. 

 

After seeing the way their hires have performed, I am now skeptical of the judgement of McDermott and Beane. Their ability to evaluate and distinguish talent. They have not shown that they have made good decisions in so many instances. It began with coaching hires. And came the idiotic trades. And mid-season benching that didn't have team support. Kelvin Benjamin was a "my bad"  let me make it up to you trade by Beane. It's like bringing flowers to your wife after she found out you've been cheating on her all along. 

 

Cousins will only add to frustrations. Yes team will be better, but he won't bring us more wins. Just keep drafting till we find one.

 

First and last paragraph sound right to me anyway... 

[Tatonka68]

3 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

Cousins has been franchised tagged 2 years in a row. So he is an anomaly

 

A 3rd frachise tag on Cousins means the Skins have to pay him $31 million for a season.

How many playoffs came has played in? Any playoff wins.................................................................

[ddaryl]

4 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

How many playoffs came has played in? Any playoff wins.................................................................

 

I'd have to look that up as I am just now stufdying him as a posisble option

 

I'm thinking none. Give me a second

 

Ok I'm back

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00/gamelog/post/

 

He played in 2 games

 

1 in 2012 where he must of come into the game in relief. Only had 10 Att

 

another in 2015 where he threw for over 300 yds and 1 TD no Ints in a loss

Edited December 13, 2017 by ddaryl

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

Cousins has been franchised tagged 2 years in a row. So he is an anomaly

 

A 3rd frachise tag on Cousins means the Skins have to pay him $31 million for a season.

 

What they’ve done with Cousins isn’t all that different than what Buffalo has done with Tyrod. 

 

The difference is, I believe that cousins plays roughly like Joe Flacco but acts like he is and should be paid like Drew Brees. 

[Tatonka68]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

I'd have to look that up as I am just now stufdying him as a posisble option

 

I'm thinking none. Give me a second

1 playoff game and lost. Not what I am looking for. Let someone else overpay for him.

[Real McClappy]

On 11/25/2017 at 3:29 PM, BigDingus said:

Grab Cousins or Alex Smith if available, while simultaneously drafting a QB early to sit on the bench for a few years. Best to try in every way you can to get that franchise player than to be content playing wait-and-see. Hell, even when the Redskins traded the farm to move up and draft RG3, they still drafted another QB in that same draft - Kirk Cousins. 

So even though they hoped and wanted RG3 to be their future, they didn't just settle on being done and backing themselves into a corner. They still continued to try and improve the position, and it paid off.

The Bills should be doing everything in their power to improve the potion in every possible way. If that means using a 1st round pick on a QB while also spending big money in FA for one, so be it. 

 

Could not agree more. I said basically the exact same thing in another thread on this topic. Not to mention the Rookie QB is 50/50 to sink or swim. If he sinks again it sets us back 3 more years. DO BOTH and be done, people get way to jacked up about $ they don't pay. 

[ddaryl]

7 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

1 playoff game and lost. Not what I am looking for. Let someone else overpay for him.

 

 

OK but I was only clearing the air about why he is available and why he is not necessarily unwanted

 

 

10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

What they’ve done with Cousins isn’t all that different than what Buffalo has done with Tyrod. 

 

The difference is, I believe that cousins plays roughly like Joe Flacco but acts like he is and should be paid like Drew Brees. 

 

 

Its different in that they paid him a ton more money to keep him on the franchise tag then we have paid TT with a renegotiated deal for lesser money

[Mat68]

Does Cousins make Buffalo a Superbowl contender?  You are paying him like he does.  i think he makes us better but I wouldnt feel comfortable paying him as the highest paid player in the league.  I like the talent in this draft and would rather have any of the following Rosen, Darnaold, Jackson or Allen before Cousins.  

[BigBuff423]

20 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Could not agree more. I said basically the exact same thing in another thread on this topic. Not to mention the Rookie QB is 50/50 to sink or swim. If he sinks again it sets us back 3 more years. DO BOTH and be done, people get way to jacked up about $ they don't pay. 

 

If you take Cousins and pay him, you're virtually guaranteeing yourself you will need to fill almost every other hole via Draft, meaning you'll need every pick you've got and then some....so, to take a QB early would not be a wise investment...now, if you found a guy like Russell Wilson in the 3rd, then you Draft him and see what happens. But if you're taking Cousins, you need to make early gains on your 4 picks in the first 2 rounds.

18 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Does Cousins make Buffalo a Superbowl contender?  You are paying him like he does.  i think he makes us better but I wouldnt feel comfortable paying him as the highest paid player in the league.  I like the talent in this draft and would rather have any of the following Rosen, Darnaold, Jackson or Allen before Cousins.  

 

There is some thought you could have both Cousins AND Allen....I doubt the others, but Allen might still be there in the mid-rounds, and almost certainly in Round 2. I'm not advocating one way or the other, but if you're prone to doing that sort of thing, it probably could be done without moving picks.

[BigBuff423]

One more thing about the Cousins pursuit: there is real concern about the cost and financial obligation to sign him in Buffalo, and it's a legitimate concern. But consider that not retaining Tyrod's contract will free up quite a bit of space, I don't think Shady is back (as I've beaten that one to death) so if that occurs there's more money in the pot and possibly Kyle Williams. That right there is your Cousins contract and more money, which means it wouldn't need to drastically impose their otherwise FA plans and keep the Draft picks, and if Tyrod is traded, they've acquired another. 

 

I've been anti-Cousins simply because I'd like the Bills to draft their own guy, but it is hard to argue against the move entirely.

[JAMIEBUF12]

Pay captain Kirk and use all our draft picks to fortify the lines.Also draft another young running back to back up Shady....

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

He isnt going to be the highest paid player in the NFL though

People seem to be taking the triple franchise number and running with it, which is silly.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

per  the local radio hosts , one being Steve Czaban, who are in contact with the team practically every day 

 

The FO is  just not sold on Kirk.  

 

How could you be? He puts up big numbers but his record is terrible. Wins count not 300 yard passing games. Rivers 2.0

 

We have a better record with Tyrod with no weapons and nearly even net point differential for the two teams(actually slightly favoring the Redskins) over the last 3 years. And Cousins doesnt get 2 automatic Ls every year from the Patriots in his division. 

 

How do people just ignore the fact that he does not make anyone around him better nor the team??

 

Enough with "the team around him stinks". Its roughly the same talent as the Bills teams and Cousins has done WORSE than a very limited Taylor. With a offensive HC and well respected offensive mind in Jay Gruden.

 

Just save the money and resign Taylor of you are wanting to go this route because Cousins wont get us any more wins and might get us more losses.

 

There is literally no valid argument for why Cousins has a worse record than Taylor.

Edited December 13, 2017 by matter2003

[aristocrat]

2 hours ago, Tatonka68 said:

1 playoff game and lost. Not what I am looking for. Let someone else overpay for him.

 

when was the last time brees was in the playoffs?  it takes a great team to win consistently and win in the playoffs.  why does flacco have a ring and a whole bunch of playoff wins?  cause he always has a crazy good defense that helps him win.  sign cousins and get a great draft and you have youself a winning team for the next decade.  look at luck...all the talent in the world but they can't draft defense to save their lives. it's what happened with peyton. 

[reddogblitz]

I'd rather have Case or Alex Smith.

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

I'd rather have Case or Alex Smith.

alex smith? good god not another tyrod

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

when was the last time brees was in the playoffs?  it takes a great team to win consistently and win in the playoffs.  why does flacco have a ring and a whole bunch of playoff wins?  cause he always has a crazy good defense that helps him win.  sign cousins and get a great draft and you have youself a winning team for the next decade.  look at luck...all the talent in the world but they can't draft defense to save their lives. it's what happened with peyton. 

 

Sorry I don't want a guy I have to surround with tons of talent to make the playoffs. We already have that in Tyrod. Who has a betrer record than Cousins. With roughly the same talent. No...Cousins isnt going to take you anywhere. He doesn't elevate anyones play...he doesnt elevate the teams play.

 

He is a blah QB who puts up big numbers but doesn't win games. We can finish 7-9,8-8 and 9-7 with Taylor just fine and pay a hell of a lot less. I want somerhing better than what we have here not worse.

Edited December 13, 2017 by matter2003

[Haze_21]

Cousins has some brain farts being prone to the occasional bad int but he would clearly be the best qb we've had in the last 20 years. Cousins with the draft picks would make us a solid playoff team.

 

I just dont think we have the money for him. We are a short flight to michigan so we have that going for us.

[Big Turk]

Just now, Haze_21 said:

Cousins has some brain farts being prone to the occasional bad int but he would clearly be the best qb we've had in the last 20 years. Cousins with the draft picks would make us a solid playoff team.

 

I just dont think we have the money for him. We are a short flight to michigan so we have that going for us.

No he would not be. He be the best stat QB we had but we would likely have the same or worse record.

[reddogblitz]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

alex smith? good god not another tyrod

 

I never understand the Alex Smith/Hotrod comparison.  Alex is a much smarter QB who can bring his team back in the 2nd half to win when needed. I also think he's a much more accurate passer and he does have wheels.  He can play form the pocket.  He'd be a perfect fit for what Rico and Coach McDermott want to do IMHO. He has won playoff games with 2 different teams.  He would look great in a Bills suit.  Trade their number one pick back for him and then they can play with their new shiny QB.

[MAJBobby]

43 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

People seem to be taking the triple franchise number and running with it, which is silly.

 

Yeah on a Long Term deal his AVV is probably somewhere between 24-28M a year 

[aristocrat]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I never understand the Alex Smith/Hotrod comparison.  Alex is a much smarter QB who can bring his team back in the 2nd half to win when needed. I also think he's a much more accurate passer and he does have wheels.  He can play form the pocket.  He'd be a perfect fit for what Rico and Coach McDermott want to do IMHO. He has won playoff games with 2 different teams.  He would look great in a Bills suit.  Trade their number one pick back for him and then they can play with their new shiny QB.

 

oh god no. that would be such a billsy move.  just awful idea. i'd rather go get ghonorrea. 

[Big Turk]

40 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I never understand the Alex Smith/Hotrod comparison.  Alex is a much smarter QB who can bring his team back in the 2nd half to win when needed. I also think he's a much more accurate passer and he does have wheels.  He can play form the pocket.  He'd be a perfect fit for what Rico and Coach McDermott want to do IMHO. He has won playoff games with 2 different teams.  He would look great in a Bills suit.  Trade their number one pick back for him and then they can play with their new shiny QB.

Anyone trading a number one pick for Alex Smith should be fired before they can do it.

 

This is ludicrous

 He is going to get cut. Why would you offer them anything? Just wait for him to be cut.

Edited December 13, 2017 by matter2003

[Real McClappy]

2 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

If you take Cousins and pay him, you're virtually guaranteeing yourself you will need to fill almost every other hole via Draft, meaning you'll need every pick you've got and then some....so, to take a QB early would not be a wise investment...now, if you found a guy like Russell Wilson in the 3rd, then you Draft him and see what happens. But if you're taking Cousins, you need to make early gains on your 4 picks in the first 2 rounds.

 

Exactly 100% right. You build around your QB not the broken crap way the Bills have done since Y2K.

Edited December 13, 2017 by Real McCoy

[Big Turk]

37 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yeah on a Long Term deal his AVV is probably somewhere between 24-28M a year 

Way too much for a guy who isnt going to make you better.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, matter2003 said:

Way too much for a guy who isnt going to make you better.

 

...EXACTLY.......mediocre at best and mediocrity breeds contempt.......then again there's crazy money willing to over pay for mediocrity out of desperation because the pickings are ugly........

[Real McClappy]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

 

How could you be? He puts up big numbers but his record is terrible. Wins count not 300 yard passing games. Rivers 2.0

 

We have a better record with Tyrod with no weapons and nearly even net point differential for the two teams(actually slightly favoring the Redskins) over the last 3 years. And Cousins doesnt get 2 automatic Ls every year from the Patriots in his division. 

 

How do people just ignore the fact that he does not make anyone around him better nor the team??

 

Enough with "the team around him stinks". Its roughly the same talent as the Bills teams and Cousins has done WORSE than a very limited Taylor. With a offensive HC and well respected offensive mind in Jay Gruden.

 

Just save the money and resign Taylor of you are wanting to go this route because Cousins wont get us any more wins and might get us more losses.

 

There is literally no valid argument for why Cousins has a worse record than Taylor.

 

Tyrod could not hold Cousins junk. From all the posts you wrote you obviously know jack squat about the Washington Redskins, bolded is 100% lame. Go see how Garcon and Jackson are doing without Cousins.

 

Cousins has no D, WR's, RB or O-line. For someone that sucks so bad, how does he have 24 games over 300 yards passing, 3 of which are over 400 yards? When Cousins was able to play with real WR's -> 2 of them went over 1000 yards and another real close with 850 yards.  All that he still had a weak running game and weak O-line play and made the playoffs.

 

Tyrod would look like one of the worst QB's in the league without a running game. When is the last time 3 Bills Wr's had 3000 yards combined in one season?  GOOD luck with that.

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2017 by Real McCoy

[Buffalo03]

38 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Way too much for a guy who isnt going to make you better.

I fail to see how he won't make this team any better than Tyrod has. Cousins is a better QB all around than Tyrod is and actually takes chances. He will make the team better even if it's slightly better. If they draft the right players and make a couple other moves in free agency then we can be a lot better

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

 

How could you be? He puts up big numbers but his record is terrible. Wins count not 300 yard passing games. Rivers 2.0

 

We have a better record with Tyrod with no weapons and nearly even net point differential for the two teams(actually slightly favoring the Redskins) over the last 3 years. And Cousins doesnt get 2 automatic Ls every year from the Patriots in his division. 

 

How do people just ignore the fact that he does not make anyone around him better nor the team??

 

Enough with "the team around him stinks". Its roughly the same talent as the Bills teams and Cousins has done WORSE than a very limited Taylor. With a offensive HC and well respected offensive mind in Jay Gruden.

 

Just save the money and resign Taylor of you are wanting to go this route because Cousins wont get us any more wins and might get us more losses.

 

There is literally no valid argument for why Cousins has a worse record than Taylor.

Is this for real? You taking QBWINZ? Cousins has done worse than Taylor? 

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Is this for real? You taking QBWINZ? Cousins has done worse than Taylor? 

 

At the end of the day the only stat that matters. Cousins is not an upgrade to that. 

12 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I fail to see how he won't make this team any better than Tyrod has. Cousins is a better QB all around than Tyrod is and actually takes chances. He will make the team better even if it's slightly better. If they draft the right players and make a couple other moves in free agency then we can be a lot better

 

How does he have a worse record than Tyrod then? Some QBs put up lots of numbers but don't win you games. Cousins falls squarely into this category.  Too many people want numbers. I dont need a QB to throw 4500 yards and finish 8-8. That's not good enough sorry, nor does it make sense on ANY level to pay a guy that much to produce that result.

Edited December 14, 2017 by matter2003

[GoBills808]

Just now, matter2003 said:

 

At the end of the day the only stat that matters. Cousins is not an upgrade to that. 

But that's not how it works. Wins are a TEAM stat, not a QB stat. Upgrading the QB spot improves the team, which will in all likelihood improve the W/L.