B-Man Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 "Al Franken's Calculated Strategy of Non-Denial/This isn’t a he-said, she-said story. Two women are giving their stories, and the Minnesota Democrat is just emitting vapor," by Ramesh Ponnuru Ponnuru's point is: If he admits it, especially in this moment of righteous anger against male sexual entitlement, pressure to resign will mount.... If he denies the accusations, on the other hand, he will be at least implicitly attacking his accusers.... Franken keeps responding by talking about feelings: his feelings, the women’s feelings, and his feelings about their feelings... Listen, without believing, or disbelieving. Without, that is, taking their claims seriously. It is a rhetorical strategy as clever as it is shameless. At the moment it appears to be working. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Nah, he was a comedian at the time, trying to be funny. Just a couple jokes that went bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I don't usually like to tell people what they should or shouldn't do, but if Conyers is being requested to resign then so should Franken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Magox said: I don't usually like to tell people what they should or shouldn't do, but if Conyers is being requested to resign then so should Franken. I'm not sure he has done something that can cause him (at this stage) to be removed. It doesn't help his party for him to remain, and he has no potential to become a national figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Sounds like Al's going to resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I hope he doesnt. It is getting past the point where I really empathize with some of these "victims." I don't like the guy's politics, but this is just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 He's gone, this BS has to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 i guess it's the end of Free Love that the hippies and boomers forced on us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 6, 2017 Author Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: i guess it's the end of Free Love that the hippies and boomers forced on us It stopped being Free Love when Baby Boomers had to start paying for Viagia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 I love the part when they twist in the wind for the last few days, hoping for a reprieve. Just like Spitzer and Weiner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Sounds like he's announced that he is resigning tomorrow. NPR in Minnesota is reporting it. Don't have a link. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 TO BE FAIR, THEY THREW THE BLACK GUY UNDER THE BUS MUCH FASTER: It Took Way Too Long For Democrats To Call On Al Franken To Resign. It is utterly absurd to suggest that the decision to call for Franken’s resignation was anything more than pure political calculus on the part of Senate Democrats. They relinquished their chance to virtue signal when they all but ignored the first six of Franken’s accusers. Every Democratic senator had ample information well before this afternoon indicating that Franken had engaged in incredibly inappropriate behavior — if not outright sexual battery. And yet they all chose to remain silent or to offer non-answers when questioned about whether Franken should step down. Not one single senator suggested, until this afternoon, that, if the allegations were true, the Democrat ought to relinquish his seat. New York Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand — who is among the Democratic women being praised for taking a principled stand against sexual misconduct — was asked in late November whether Franken should resign following the allegations. “It’s his decision,” she replied, noncommittally. Well, when there are only six accusers it’s nothing. But when there are seven — whoa, Nellie, that’s a whole new ballgame. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 hours ago, row_33 said: i guess it's the end of Free Love that the hippies and boomers forced on us bull ****... It is called Tinder, Bumble, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I have no idea what that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 hours ago, B-Man said: TO BE FAIR, THEY THREW THE BLACK GUY UNDER THE BUS MUCH FASTER: It Took Way Too Long For Democrats To Call On Al Franken To Resign. It is utterly absurd to suggest that the decision to call for Franken’s resignation was anything more than pure political calculus on the part of Senate Democrats. They relinquished their chance to virtue signal when they all but ignored the first six of Franken’s accusers. Every Democratic senator had ample information well before this afternoon indicating that Franken had engaged in incredibly inappropriate behavior — if not outright sexual battery. And yet they all chose to remain silent or to offer non-answers when questioned about whether Franken should step down. Not one single senator suggested, until this afternoon, that, if the allegations were true, the Democrat ought to relinquish his seat. New York Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand — who is among the Democratic women being praised for taking a principled stand against sexual misconduct — was asked in late November whether Franken should resign following the allegations. “It’s his decision,” she replied, noncommittally. Well, when there are only six accusers it’s nothing. But when there are seven — whoa, Nellie, that’s a whole new ballgame. . Shaming and punishment based on mere accusation is bull ****. But, in Franken's case...there are goddamn pictures. People seem to forget that. This isn't a "preponderance of accusation" thing...he was photographed fondling a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, snafu said: Sounds like he's announced that he is resigning tomorrow. NPR in Minnesota is reporting it. Don't have a link. Awesome. Rooting for these arrogant !@#$sticks to crash and burn in disgrace has permanently taken the place of rooting for playoffs for Buffalo teams. It can’t happen often enough. 38 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Shaming and punishment based on mere accusation is bull ****. But, in Franken's case...there are goddamn pictures. People seem to forget that. This isn't a "preponderance of accusation" thing...he was photographed fondling a woman. Well yes, but the Senate could hang in the balance so.....we should probably cut him so slack. He used to be a comedian you know. Edited December 7, 2017 by KD in CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just now, KD in CA said: Well yes, but the Senate could hang in the balance so.....we should probably cut him so slack. He used to be a comedian you know. He used to try, at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, row_33 said: I have no idea what that is. They are Internet dating aps. It can be easy to get free love via those. They have been blamed for an increase in STDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Guy was trying to be funny and aped for a pic. He was touching a flack jacket not reaching under her camisole. Poor taste to be sure, but hardly worthy of the attention it has drawn. Trump was trying to be funny on Howard Stern catering to the Stern mentally juvenile audience. The guys like Harvey (our own Buffalo guy) and Bill Clinton and Moore and Conyers who took advantage of their positions of power to abuse women are better targets for the current frenzy of vitriol. There is a certain level of sanctimonious BS here too. Men have been doing this for years, this is nothing new. The "casting couch" has been around for a very long time and there are many women and probably a few men who were quite willing to "sleep their way to the top". Happens in corporations too. This isn't always daddy's little girl who was taken advantage of by the guy in power. It has been an accepted part of our culture for a long time. Men are usually expected to be the aggressor and "hit on" the women. Often, they like it. Where and when and in what context is the issue. I am happy this is getting called out, but there is another equally repugnant side that needs to be discussed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Update: Hoo boy........ Quote MPR News ✔@MPRnews Sen. Al Franken is preparing to resign amid a cascade of calls from fellow Democrats and other political allies to leave office in response to multiple allegations of sexual harassmenthttps://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/12/06/senator-al-franken-to-resign … Quote Sen. Al Franken ✔@SenFranken Not accurate, @mpr No final decision has been made and the Senator is still talking with his family. Please update your story. 5:15 PM - Dec 6, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I hope he talks about his feelings for a few more months as this drags on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 This just shows how desperate the Democratic Party is to have something more to throw at Trump. I think it's mostly motivated by a desire to claim that because Franken resigned, Trump should resign as well. Not gonna work (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 37 minutes ago, OJABBA said: This just shows how desperate the Democratic Party is to have something more to throw at Trump. I think it's mostly motivated by a desire to claim that because Franken resigned, Trump should resign as well. Not gonna work (again). That's a part of it, but the main reason for his resignation is because it's five days before the Alabama Senate special election. Now the RNC will face more scrutiny for reversing course and giving money to the Roy Moore campaign when the DNC effectively kicked Franken out. It's a cynical political ploy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Doc, the Dems are loudly swallowing poison on Franken and hoping the GOP suffers immediately and down the road. ————- it never works that way in real life, and if Moore loses it won’t be because of something the Dem leaders schemed up to toss one of their own into a volcano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 JIM TREACHER TRANSLATES: "My hypocrisy on this matter is no longer viable politically." Quote Kirsten GillibrandVerified account @SenGillibrand 21h21 hours ago As elected officials, we should be held to the highest standards—not the lowest. The allegations against Sen. Franken describe behavior that cannot be tolerated. While he’s entitled to an Ethics Committee hearing, I believe he should step aside to let someone else serve. 8:28 AM - 6 Dec 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That's a part of it, but the main reason for his resignation is because it's five days before the Alabama Senate special election. Now the RNC will face more scrutiny for reversing course and giving money to the Roy Moore campaign when the DNC effectively kicked Franken out. It's a cynical political ploy. It's also just the right thing to do, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) announced Thursday morning that he will give a speech about his political future at 11:45 a.m. on the floor of the U.S. Senate. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/franken-speech-resignation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Good to see the Dems will start embracing honest Christian piety as an important standard in public behaviour for political candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, row_33 said: Good to see the Dems will start embracing honest Christian piety as an important standard in public behaviour for political candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 So, he has resigned but in his Senate speech he claimed that some of the accusations were false, while the circumstances around the other accusations he remembered differently. He was confident that the Ethics Committee would exonerate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 In the coming weeks?? Sen Grope still looking for a Hail Mary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Well, he can probably go back to doing comedy bits. He can team up with Kathy Griffin -- she probably would tolerate some groping just to get some attention at this point. I can see something like him squeezing her and she decapitates him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 poor Al, he has to keep groping in order to pretend it really wasn't that big a deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 hours ago, row_33 said: Good to see the Dems will start embracing honest Christian piety as an important standard in public behaviour for political candidates. Didn't you hear ? The democrats...................that's right, the democrats, (The party of JFK, Clinton, Teddy K., Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, John Edwards, Elliot Spitzer, Anthony Weiner, et al) are now the party of moral purity because (after years of doing nothing) they have pushed out Conyers and Franken. At least that is what the Left Media will try and convince the simpletons out there........... "Look at the GOP, they are supporting perverts like Moore, while we get rid of them" No, no.........never mind those decades of abuse.........................LOL . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) OK Another D resigned When will the ***** grabber in chief resign? And Roy Moor leave his race? Why is it the God fearing politicians are so forked up? Kellyanne Conway Says Trump, Accused of Sexual Assault, Has 'Tremendous Moral … my goodness She gets uglier by the hour Edited December 7, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That's a part of it, but the main reason for his resignation is because it's five days before the Alabama Senate special election. Now the RNC will face more scrutiny for reversing course and giving money to the Roy Moore campaign when the DNC effectively kicked Franken out. It's a cynical political ploy. Yeah, it certainly has nothing to do with "morality" or some such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, B-Man said: Didn't you hear ? The democrats...................that's right, the democrats, (The party of JFK, Clinton, Teddy K., Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, John Edwards, Elliot Spitzer, Anthony Weiner, et al) are now the party of moral purity because (after years of doing nothing) they have pushed out Conyers and Franken. At least that is what the Left Media will try and convince the simpletons out there........... "Look at the GOP, they are supporting perverts like Moore, while we get rid of them" No, no.........never mind those decades of abuse.........................LOL . It took the Dems over a century to realize slavery and then Jim Crow is evil and now they realize brutalizing women is bad as well. Edited December 7, 2017 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: OK Another D resigned When will the ***** grabber in chief resign? And Roy Moor leave his race? Maybe the Globalists can convince Justin Trudeau to make a "grabbin' *****" video, then resign? Edited December 7, 2017 by OJABBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: OK Another D resigned When will the ***** grabber in chief resign? And Roy Moor leave his race? Why is it the God fearing politicians are so forked up? 5 minutes ago, OJABBA said: Yeah, it certainly has nothing to do with "morality" or some such. AL FRANKEN ON SENATE FLOOR: Denies allegations; attacks Trump, Moore; resignation in “weeks.” The "moral" person would have resigned immediately. This is just to help the democrat party. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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