RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 The Turnovers/Points from Def-ST is going to drop next season. Those 2-3 extra possessions and 7-10 extra points per game won't be there. Kyle Williams and Marcel Dareus are/will be gone. Shady on the wrong side of 30. Will the WR/TE improve via experience/FA/Draft? Now is Taylor's "mean/average" performance...enough to cover/compensate for these declines? Can he rise his game up? Or can Buffalo do enough in FA/Draft to compensate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 People keep talking about all these needs we have, but you look at some of the guys we have out there that are contributing and doing well and I wonder how many truly critical needs we have. Position by position: QB: I think they take one day 1 or 2. If TT gets them to the playoffs he earns the right to come back, but I think Peterman will be very competitive and adding a rookie only helps. RB: Not a popular thing to folks, but they could benefit from taking a RB high if they see another Shady like guy. Can you imagine if the kid from Penn St is available. TE: An absolute need? No, unless they let Clay go for cap reasons. O'Leary is pretty good and Thomas is coming around. Would be an area to look at though. O line: A tackle is a need, and I could see a round 1 pick here. Dawkins may move inside, and Groy as well. D line: People say we need a DT, and if Kyle retires then it becomes a priority. But the guys we have in thee are playing well. We could use an edge rusher to complement Hughes,: Lawson is a Phil Hansen type, sets the edge well and is great against the run. LB: Some say we have to get two LBs but I'm not sure I see that. Brown is playing pretty well. People say McD wants his Kuechly; well wouldn't any team? And Humber and Milano look to both be starting caliber LBs. Don't see this as a really high priority unless they see a guy theyr eally like up there. DB: We look really good at safety with Hyde and Poyer, and now Elston showing he has something. CBs are pretty good. Maybe a third day thing since you can never have enough CBs. So I'm not sure I see an absolute need anywhere. Maybe RT, and I think that plus adding DTs may be a priority as McD seems to want to build from inside out. No question in my mind they take a QB high. And if they took a stud RB high I wouldn't be shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Either way he belongs on this roster next yeAr irregardless of what happens in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) I like Taylor and think he might be a slight upgrade over Alex Smith. With the right team and coaching, the Bills could win a bunch of games with Taylor at qb (just like Kansas City). I also think it is possible to get to the Super Bowl with Taylor and maybe even win it. He is not an elite qb that will have your team in contention no matter the supporting cast but it is possible to win it all with Taylor at quarterback. If Eli Manning can win 2 Super Bowls then it is possible Taylor could win 1. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl and Colin Kaepernick was a few plays away from winning one. So with the right coaching, supporting cast and a little bit of luck and it is possible Taylor could find his way to getting a ring. Edited October 31, 2017 by racketmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Everyone here knows my stance on TT. Hes a top 16 QB, better than roughly half of the QBs in the NFL. Hes just entering his prime in terms of age and games started in this league. I hope we keep him long-term. With this draft we can focus on LB, OL, DL. I want us to dominate the LOS on both sides of the ball and find a stud LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 If this year's team doesn't make the playoffs, it will be because of depth. Not because of Tyrod. It is that simple. Use the draft to upgrade a few positions and build solid depth. The sky's the limit then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 And even though I believe you can win with Taylor, the Bills should still be looking to draft another qb next year or the year after. You can never have enough depth due to injuries, contract situations etc., especially at the most critical position. But having Taylor just means the Bills don't have to force the issue and give up a ton of picks to acquire a qb prospect. They can afford to let a qb they like fall to them and then develop them in their system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 The other one was the Falcons game. Thanks Gunner ... The score was Buffalo 23- ATL 17. No Defensive TD, no W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I dont mind keeping Tyrod around and continue getting weapons for the team. What I dont want is to pass up on a good QB opportunity. Im just glad we dont have a million holes to fill, this team is playing well together. So BPA could be a good thing as we continue our search. If you have the chance at a good prospect and the GM feels good about that QB, take him, regardless of what player could help the team and Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I dont mind keeping Tyrod around and continue getting weapons for the team. What I dont want is to pass up on a good QB opportunity. Im just glad we dont have a million holes to fill, this team is playing well together. So BPA could be a good thing as we continue our search. If you have the chance at a good prospect and the GM feels good about that QB, take him, regardless of what player could help the team and Tyrod. Since the Garoppolo trade, some are saying the '18 draft may not be a good one for QB's Amazing how things change overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Tyrod is giving us the flexibility to not have to trade a bunch of picks to move up in drafting a QB, but we still keep drafting them when the value seems right and hope one develops. I love Tyrod as a person. Total class act and honorable dude. I'd let him babysit my kids. He definitely has talent as a QB and his teammates love him. Even if he keeps riding the lightning this season and gets us to the playoffs I'm not sure he will ever attain that special 'franchise QB' status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Tyrod is giving us the flexibility to not have to trade a bunch of picks to move up in drafting a QB, but we still keep drafting them when the value seems right and hope one develops. I love Tyrod as a person. Total class act and honorable dude. I'd let him babysit my kids. He definitely has talent as a QB and his teammates love him. Even if he keeps riding the lightning this season and gets us to the playoffs I'm not sure he will ever attain that special 'franchise QB' status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Yes. But don't let that stop you from looking for upgrades as well. Every QB benefits from a good surrounding cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 At some point, we will need our QB to take over the game with his arm. Either the defense will have a bad game, or the running game will get shut down. If our ultimate goal is a Super Bowl win, I'm just not sure Taylor has the skills to accomplish that. That doesn't mean I want Taylor gone. Far from it. Even if we draft his future replace The run game was terrible against Denver. Our defense sucked against Tampa Bay. We won both games because of Tyrod making enough plays with his arm. I dont think Tyrod is good enough to overcome a game where both the defense and run game arent working but realistically there are maybe 3 QBs in the NFL that are that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Tyrod is giving us the flexibility to not have to trade a bunch of picks to move up in drafting a QB, but we still keep drafting them when the value seems right and hope one develops. I love Tyrod as a person. Total class act and honorable dude. I'd let him babysit my kids. He definitely has talent as a QB and his teammates love him. Even if he keeps riding the lightning this season and gets us to the playoffs I'm not sure he will ever attain that special 'franchise QB' status. What if they trade Taylor for a 2018 draft pick? Might sound crazy at first...say they make the playoffs and are eliminated in the first round, a team in the #20-30 range offers their #1 for Taylor, the Bills believe there's a very good chance that Peterman will perform at least to Taylor's level, also, the Bills have a QB in the rookie class they want to work with and develop using one of their high picks...then consider that Taylor in 2018 will be on his last year of a contract which means some team will be giving him a long term 25 million a year type of contract after next season. With the current regime, you have to wonder what their plan would be given the looming potential cap hit. Having said that, they will sign him long term very quickly if the Bills get deep in the playoffs and Taylor's having Russel Wilson type of success. He certainly has been looking that way the last two weeks and I hope it continues. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Thanks Gunner ... The score was Buffalo 23- ATL 17. No Defensive TD, no W. You cant just subtract the defensive TD and assume the final score is the same, thats not how any of this works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Taylor will be the starter in 2018, even if they draft a QB. No reason to rush anyone into the job. Besides, we'll be drafting pretty late. This is what I've said all along. The supposedly great 2018 QB class seems to be fading fast as more of the "stars" sink into mediocrity or are revealed as pretenders buoyed up by the talent surrounding them, so it's likely that there will be only 1 or 2 genuine top prospects, and that those will be long gone before the Bills get to pick. There's no guarantee that any of the teams at the top of the draft will be interested in trading away their picks, either. SF and Cleveland, the two most likely candidates for the top picks, have lots of needs. The Bills shouldn't waste a high draft pick on a QB just to draft one (although I think that's a definite possibility), but they should take one if there's one they think could make it as a pro. Maybe take a kid in the 2nd or 3rd with everything but height or size in general: both Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins sank in the draft because of they weren't judged "tall enough" or "big enough". Drew Brees, a second rounder, is also relatively short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 You cant just subtract the defensive TD and assume the final score is the same, thats not how any of this works I think the point is many of these games have swung on defensive turnovers/scores. Take Oakland From the end of the 2nd Quarter into the 3rd the Bills did 13 Points off 3 Turnovers while only accumulating 24 Yards on Offense. That's just not "normal". It is Football. But it's just not something I believe can be counted on over the long haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Dennison seems to have let the reigns off Tyrod and is allowing him to do what he feels comfortbable doing. so far so good. did the same thing with Shady and the run blocking. they had a meeting and discussed how to improve the run game and after that i see a lot more pulling and counters like last year. hats off to Dennison for doing what no other Bills staff has been able to do: adapt to your personnel and let them just play football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 This is the best situation I think we have ever had to be able to draft a QB with potential and have the pieces in place where we can be patient and have a core around him to let them develop slowly with safety nets. No reason at all we shouldn't use a top 100 pick this year if the player is on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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