BmarvB Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Wasn't Tolbert supposed to relieve the pressure on short yardage situations? He's a bruiser. A former FB good for a couple yards and a cloud of dust. Granted he's capable of breaking a 10-12 yarder on occasion, but we need a banger who's also a breakaway threat in the backfield to spell shady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 What New England does well is get worn out running backs and judiciously use them. They don't keep them for long but when they have them they usually make a great contribution. For the most part the issue isn't the talent but the mind-set and willingness to accept a diminishing role. gosh, they say bringing up hitler in an internet conversation is Goodwin's Theory and it states arguments die here. arguments bringing up new england should be the same. what they do with their players has been working for them often in the past. it doesn't make sense. at all. in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) the change was Cordy Glenn came back. Imo We also played some really good run Ds prior to Glenns return. Im not taking anything away from Glenn, but you cant expect to run much on the likes of the Broncos and Panthers. Edited October 30, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 gosh, they say bringing up hitler in an internet conversation is Goodwin's Theory and it states arguments die here. arguments bringing up new england should be the same. what they do with their players has been working for them often in the past. it doesn't make sense. at all. in anyway. Maybe for you it is anathema to learn from winners but not for me. I'm open to learn from the most successful team in the modern history of the NFL. A lot of fans hate the Pats. Not I. I not only admire how they run their operation but I'm also traitorous enough to believe that Goodell screwed them in the inflategate fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Maybe for you it is anathema to learn from winners but not for me. I'm open to learn from the most successful team in the modern history of the NFL. A lot of fans hate the Pats. Not I. I not only admire how they run their operation but I'm also traitorous enough to believe that Goodell screwed them in the inflategate fiasco. i don't disagree one bit about learning from the best. but it's been almost 16 years of their success. their method has been tried and emulated countless times and failed. there is just simply something they're doing that no one else can. every assistant has floundered when they left the organization, every player essentially goes on to flounder and there is just something they do that wins. I suspect Ernie Adams, Bill Belichick, and Tom Brady combined with some cheating has got them to where they are and why they dominate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I think this has become obvious to some this year. A big back who can take some of the load off of Mccoy might extend his career and improve his efficiency. Tolbert is just a stop gap guy. This should be addressed in the offseason. I believe this is a bigger need than some people think it is. It'll keep Mccoy's legs fresh, plus this draft class is loaded with good backs. 33 touches today! I love it, but I gotta admit - coming back from that on Thursday ain't easy. A true backup who can do the things McCoy does (albeit obviously not as well) would certainly help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I'd love to get Jeremy Hillon the team. Seems like perfect compliment for Shady. And would come cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Am concerned because without McCoy , our offense is done. It seems as if the line has suddenly figured out how to block over the last two weeks. I assume some changes were made during the bye. I wonder how much say Shady had in it. Tolbert was getting some decent yardage on some plays but he is not capable of carrying this load of Shady goes down. I'm concerned about this as well because every time McCoy takes a big hit I'm holding my breath. Hence the need for another Gilliselee/Karlos Williams type of player. No way this team can be confident in Tolbert getting 20+ carries a game if something happens to McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 24 hours, but I think they go with who they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I agree. I keep hoping they trade for someone before the deadline. It was reported they were sniffing around for a RB. ...and what retread do you expect to find now?......do we even know what Banyard or Taiwan Jones can produce or is the grass definitely greener elsewhere?.....yup, they have had substantial (COUGH) opportunities, right?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Ty Montgomery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 The allegiance to Tolbert will eventually crush this team. One of several very questionable personnel decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 The allegiance to Tolbert will eventually crush this team. One of several very questionable personnel decisions. LOL!! Thanks for the take. NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punt75 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Jones ran a sub 4.4 at the combine after his senior year. He's never been able to crack a starting line-up at RB. Knowing our Coach & GM they know things we don't about him. I think he's their man if Shady goes down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Notice how I said it should be addressed in the offseason? Didn't read well did we? Buffalo needs a guy who can rush 10-15 times next to Mccoy not 3-8 going into next year. He's 30. Tolbert is also old and not a potential replacement. Please read before commenting Yea but no backup RB gets 15 carries a game ... not even 10 Gillislee averaged 6 carries a game last year. It be nice to have a high end backup but it's only 6 carries. Shady can be premier till he retires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Wasn't Tolbert supposed to relieve the pressure on short yardage situations? Tolbert has been better than I expected, so McD was partially correct. But, tolbert is still an overage slug......he has football sense.....but limited skills in the extreme in terms of speed and threat. Agreed Shady needs a better back behind him. Taiwan Jones is next in line right now, I think now that Joe Banyard has been released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 They should seriously see if they can get Hyde for a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Yea but Shady barely comes off the field,so while it'd be great to have a premiere backup, I don't consider it a necessity at all. Plus Tolbert has ran very well these last 2 weeks I didn't look up any numbers but it feels like Shady takes himself out quite a bit more than I'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Tolbert has been better than I expected, so McD was partially correct. But, tolbert is still an overage slug......he has football sense.....but limited skills in the extreme in terms of speed and threat. Agreed Shady needs a better back behind him. Taiwan Jones is next in line right now, I think now that Joe Banyard has been released. They resigned Banyard 10-28-17 to the 53. They should get him or T Jones some meaningful carries before they are needed for heavy duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 LOL!! Thanks for the take. NOT Your welcome. You can explain at anytime what you disagree with. Tolbert is not a good compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Your welcome. You can explain at anytime what you disagree with. Tolbert is not a good compliment. But he always has nice things to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Run Shady till he pukes. Then run him some more. 33 touches on Sunday and he didn't look the least big nauseated. But he always has nice things to say. Right over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Run Shady till he pukes. Then run him some more. 33 touches on Sunday and he didn't look the least big nauseated. Right over his head. Had to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Had to do it. The intended affect I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 They should seriously see if they can get Hyde for a 3rd. Lol No! Hyde is maybe worth a 6th. And a 3rd is a bit much for a backup RB. Heck I probably even wouldn't give that up for a starting RB. Would love to see Henderson for Booker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 One would think they could flip the 6th rounder they just acquired in the Dareus trade for a decent backup RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 One would think they could flip the 6th rounder they just acquired in the Dareus trade for a decent backup RB. It's conditional tho? Can we trade conditional picks... And as of right now if the season ended it would be a 5th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 If Ayaji went for a 4th, then I'd think Hyde would get similar or better return. Blount has a very similar bruising style, so maybe he is newly available from PHI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Hyde for a 4th please ! Or Gore for a 7th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMexBills Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Bring back JWILL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 Yea but no backup RB gets 15 carries a game ... not even 10 Gillislee averaged 6 carries a game last year. It be nice to have a high end backup but it's only 6 carries. Shady can be premier till he retires I never said for this season in my post. I said we should address it in the offseason in the draft. Moving forward, with Mccoy's age and durability issues, finding a guy that can carry more of the load is ideal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I'm not trading anything for a back this year. Tolbert's a UFA next year, and there will be affordable backup running backs. We can also address this in the draft - we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, and i think 3 picks in rounds 4-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 Don't know how this thread about acquiring a back in the offseason to help Mccoy's career turned into trading for a back before the deadline but I guess I shouldn't be surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I never said for this season in my post. I said we should address it in the offseason in the draft. Moving forward, with Mccoy's age and durability issues, finding a guy that can carry more of the load is ideal I'd absolutely take a RB in the 3rd or 4th round But McCoy really has no durability issues as far as NFL running backs go... sure he has missed some games, but in his career he has played way more than he's missed He has top of the line durability as far as NFL starting running backs go . They will definitely bring someone in through the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 I'd absolutely take a RB in the 3rd or 4th round But McCoy really has no durability issues as far as NFL running backs go... sure he has missed some games, but in his career he has played way more than he's missed He has top of the line durability as far as NFL starting running backs go . They will definitely bring someone in through the draft He's yet to play a full 16 game season with Buffalo so far...don't know how you can say he doesn't have durability issues. Sure early in his career he was fine but he has dealt with injuries every year he's been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 He's yet to play a full 16 game season with Buffalo so far...don't know how you can say he doesn't have durability issues. Sure early in his career he was fine but he has dealt with injuries every year he's been here. He had some issue his first year here.. it was his worst year of his career. He was our best player last year and missed only 1 game and hasn't missed a game all year... If he plays all 16 this year , then he has missed only 1 game in 2 years which is superb for a starting NFL back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 If they really felt like Shady needed to come out more often, they'd probably have given Banyard a chance by now. As it is, I think the plan has always been Shady tires out the D from them chasing him all game and then Tolbert can come in and run over a worn out defense in short-yardage situations. Me personally, I'd like to have a back that's a bit more dynamic than Tolbert. But there's more to just talent and skill sets with this team. The guys with the heart and the right attitude are going to play. The days of dealing with headaches from players just because they're talented high-end picks (Dareus) are long gone. This isn't the type of team that's going to rely solely on their top-end talent and then hope that their reserves can do their job when needed. Sal C wrote a great piece about how this team is coached. Despite the talent level, every player on this team is coached and treated exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 He had some issue his first year here.. it was his worst year of his career. He was our best player last year and missed only 1 game and hasn't missed a game all year... If he plays all 16 this year , then he has missed only 1 game in 2 years which is superb for a starting NFL back Yes, it is good but still hurt sometimes. He's an older back. Could easily miss a few games at any given time. But I think we both agree, a mid-round back in this deep running back class would be beneficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Yes, it is good but still hurt sometimes. He's an older back. Could easily miss a few games at any given time. But I think we both agree, a mid-round back in this deep running back class would be beneficial. Definitely You can find a lot of big, strong, fast backs in the mid rounds A thunder To shadys lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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