Denver Gift

[MRW]

Anything less than a super bowl title is a failure.

 

It's rare to see such a miserable outlook stated so plainly.

[Bills Pimpin']

If our starters beat their starters then I'll eat some crow. Its not going to happen unless Matt Ryan gets hurt and everyone on this board knows it. Same with Pats. We have absolutely zero chance. Its embarrassing. I don't even watch the Pats games. But keep celebrating wins vs the Jets and Broncos, 2 non playoff teams.

You are in for a rude awakening then

You are not too bright bro. Every team we beat makes them less likely to be a playoff team, and if we beat the majority of them we could be a playoff team themselves.

 

Also, Its not all about making the playoffs or winning the Superbowl. The Bills get 8 home games a year, only 8 weeks out of 52. They have already played 25% of them and they won both. That means fans go home happy. Many of them are happy all week because their team won at home. It's a big effing deal when they win at home. And to have a "fan" like yourself **** on that win and degrade others who are excited about it, and the hope of further success sucks. It's very, very sad.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Bills Pimpin'

[KDIGGZ]

 

It's rare to see such a miserable outlook stated so plainly.

and it's rare to see such low standards all over this entire forum. how is striving for a championship miserable?

[JMF2006]

What I find really funny/ironic is the Bills win big and Shop and Bulldung GR55 only want to talk about taking a knee..

[billsfan1959]

People like you that love the team no matter what is what's holding us back. You seem to be very pleased with a .500 team. I'm not. Anything less than a super bowl title is a failure. If you think we are a super bowl contender then not only are you completely delusional but I'm worried about your sanity. I hope there is someone close to you who can get you some help.

I will be here on Monday if you would like to discuss your Atlanta prediction further

 

 

and it's rare to see such low standards all over this entire forum. how is striving for a championship miserable?

You do know that what we (the collective "we" as fans) feel, believe, etc, doesn't really have any influence over whether or not the team is successful, right? Even if your condescending assertion that most fans here are completely satisfied with mediocrity was true - it really wouldn't actually "hold the team back."

 

Speaking of delusional...

Edited September 26, 2017 by billsfan1959

[MRW]

and it's rare to see such low standards all over this entire forum. how is striving for a championship miserable?

 

Telling other fans "Anything less than a super bowl title is a failure" does not equal "striving for a championship". Look, the Bills played a solid game Sunday and had a win. I'm happy because I root for the team and I like seeing them win. I say you're miserable because you're here complaining after a win.

[Augie]

If you really think about it, it's an embarrassing win.

I've bolded the only word that counts.

 

 

On to Atlanta.

[Marty McFly]

Ill tale that W. I dont see teams giving us Ws back ev3rytime we get screwed by a few bad bounces amd calls

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The Gift is the Bils Defense.

[HappyDays]

The Gift is the Bils Defense.

And the offense/special teams. In their previous 18 games before they played us, Denver allowed an average of 18.6 points per game. On the road in 2016, their defense allowed an average of 19.2 points per game. So we scored about a touchdown more than their average no matter how you look at it.

 

And of course Tyrod himself. Denver allowed an average passer rating of 70.9 to opposing QBs in the previous 18 games (or 70.8 on the road in 2016). Tyrod had a 126.0 passer rating, well above their average allowed.

 

Of course the defense deserves credit for the game, they played outstanding. But this was a team win.

Edited September 27, 2017 by HappyDays

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

And the offense/special teams. In their previous 18 games before they played us, Denver allowed an average of 18.6 points per game. On the road in 2016, their defense allowed an average of 19.2 points per game. So we scored about a touchdown more than their average no matter how you look at it.

 

And of course Tyrod himself. Denver allowed an average passer rating of 70.9 to opposing QBs in the previous 18 games (or 70.8 on the road in 2016). Tyrod had a 126.0 passer rating, well above their average allowed.

 

Of course the defense deserves credit for the game, they played outstanding. But this was a team win.

Yes, it was a team Win. The passing game was "good enough" to get the Win when Denver was able to stuff the run.

 

Other than being 20/26 everything else TT did in the passing game was his nominal performance. 213 yards on the button is his average.

 

6-16 on 3rd down needs to be improved.

Getting on the same page as Zay Jones is a must.

[HappyDays]

Yes, it was a team Win. The passing game was "good enough" to get the Win when Denver was able to stuff the run.

 

Other than being 20/26 everything else TT did in the passing game was his nominal performance. 213 yards on the button is his average.

 

6-16 on 3rd down needs to be improved.

Getting on the same page as Zay Jones is a must.

Denver allowed an average of 188.1 passing yards per game in the 18 previous games, or 183.5 on the road. So Tyrod had about 25 more passing yards than they allow on average. This despite a run game that wasn't working at all.

 

You know these stats don't exist in a vacuum, right?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Denver allowed an average of 188.1 passing yards per game in the 18 previous games, or 183.5 on the road. So Tyrod had about 25 more passing yards than they allow on average. This despite a run game that wasn't working at all.

 

You know these stats don't exist in a vacuum, right?

key word - average

 

next key word - 2017

 

Chargers and Cowboys and Bills

 

LA Chargers

Philip Rivers 22/33 for 192

Rushing 22 for 64 @ 2.9 ypp avg

Dak Prescott 30/50 for 238

Rushing 14 for 40 @ 2.9 ypp avg

Tyrod Taylor 20/26 for 213

Rushing 33 for 75 @ 2.3 ypp avg

 

Maybe Buffalo has the Better defense and maybe the Broncs are not as good as they were.

 

2017 Bills D 12 ppg, Denver D 18ppg. 6 point Delta.

[HappyDays]

key word - average

 

next key word - 2017

 

Chargers and Cowboys and Bills

 

LA Chargers

Philip Rivers 22/33 for 192

Rushing 22 for 64 @ 2.9 ypp avg

 

Dak Prescott 30/50 for 238

Rushing 14 for 40 @ 2.9 ypp avg

 

Tyrod Taylor 20/26 for 213

Rushing 33 for 75 @ 2.3 ypp avg

 

Maybe Buffalo has the Better defense and maybe the Broncs are not as good as they were.

 

2017 Bills D 12 ppg, Denver D 18ppg. 6 point Delta.

I'm not sure what this post is trying to say? Tyrod has played better against Denver than Rivers or Prescott. Dak got his yards in garbage time, you know that thing you use to disparage Tyrod's stats all the time. Do you think their defense took a step back? Did you think that before this week, or only after Tyrod played well against them?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I'm not sure what this post is trying to say? Tyrod has played better against Denver than Rivers or Prescott. Dak got his yards in garbage time, you know that thing you use to disparage Tyrod's stats all the time. Do you think their defense took a step back? Did you think that before this week, or only after Tyrod played well against them?

I was saying that for 2017 TT has played his "Nominal Game" against Denver. He doesn't have the best #'s nor does he have the worst #'s.

 

Other than his 20/26 - I saw nothing spectacular that jumped out at me over his normal play.

 

The Bills Defense was Great, TT was TT and ST's was A+.

 

I am not diminishing TT's good plays, but I can't pretend he had that GREAT of a game. The numbers I posted for the last 3 weeks of Denvers D supports my claim/opinion.

[Alphadawg7]

I was saying that for 2017 TT has played his "Nominal Game" against Denver. He doesn't have the best #'s nor does he have the worst #'s.

 

Other than his 20/26 - I saw nothing spectacular that jumped out at me over his normal play.

 

The Bills Defense was Great, TT was TT and ST's was A+.

 

I am not diminishing TT's good plays, but I can't pretend he had that GREAT of a game. The numbers I posted for the last 3 weeks of Denvers D supports my claim/opinion.

 

Come on man...this is just non sense. What does TT need to do to qualify as "great"? Does he need to make some highlight plays that are insane and unbelievable? I mean geezus, he was 20/26 with guys dropping multiple passes. He was nearly perfect on his throws against a very good defense.

 

And we went ULTRA conservative, as we should, once we had a late lead to protect and ran the clock down. Just like the Jets game. I mean Dak threw for under 200 yards this week, you know that guy people around want to crown a HOF already, and they won the game. Guess thats a bad game too.

 

Most of the people on this board shouldn't even be allowed to comment on QB play anymore, its like they have no idea about what they are even looking at.

[Malazan]

If you really think about it, it's an embarrassing win.

 

the Bills should have thrown the game out of embarrassment

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Come on man...this is just non sense. What does TT need to do to qualify as "great"? Does he need to make some highlight plays that are insane and unbelievable? I mean geezus, he was 20/26 with guys dropping multiple passes. He was nearly perfect on his throws against a very good defense.

 

And we went ULTRA conservative, as we should, once we had a late lead to protect and ran the clock down. Just like the Jets game. I mean Dak threw for under 200 yards this week, you know that guy people around want to crown a HOF already, and they won the game. Guess thats a bad game too.

 

Most of the people on this board shouldn't even be allowed to comment on QB play anymore, its like they have no idea about what they are even looking at.

The nonsense I read is all the excuses for Taylor's bad play and wanting to pump Taylor up more then he deserves when he has a good game.

 

TT's typical MEH game just isn't good enough to make the playoffs annually.

 

If .500 satisfies you as being great then, imo I think that you need to adjust your standards some.

ULTRA conservative can also cost you a game --- See KC Bills 2015, see OAK Bills 2016 and ATL NE 2016.

Edited September 27, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[mannc]

 

 

ULTRA conservative can also cost you a game --- See KC Bills 2015, see OAK Bills 2016 and ATL NE 2016.

So Tyrod is to blame for the playcalling now? Got it.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

So Tyrod is to blame for the playcalling now? Got it.

thank you for contributing to the conversation and following along. Since when does TT play for either ATL or NE?

 

 

 

ULTRA conservative can also cost you a game --- See KC Bills 2015, see OAK Bills 2016 and ATL NE 2016

 

Alphadog mentioned Ultraconservative and my rebuttal was IMO Ultraconservative can cost you games.

[mannc]

Alphadog mentioned Ultraconservative and my rebuttal was IMO Ultraconservative can cost you games.

I agree, and for that reason, I disliked Dennison's fourth quarter play calling on Sunday. They got away with it, but against a better offensive team, it can lead to disaster. The problem is that you seem to be blaming Tyrod for that ultra conservative play calling by, among other things, calling him out for throwing for "only" 213 yards.

[Alphadawg7]

The nonsense I read is all the excuses for Taylor's bad play and wanting to pump Taylor up more then he deserves when he has a good game.

 

TT's typical MEH game just isn't good enough to make the playoffs annually.

 

If .500 satisfies you as being great then, imo I think that you need to adjust your standards some.

ULTRA conservative can also cost you a game --- See KC Bills 2015, see OAK Bills 2016 and ATL NE 2016.

 

Dude, what are you even talking about? You can't even keep your rants straight...one minute its that his WIN is not good enough despite going 20-26 with guys dropping multiple passes and was literally our whole offense. He literally carried the team. Now you are talking about a season end win percentage despite we are only 3 games in with this .500 nonsense.

 

So I really don't care if you THINK we will be .500 team or not at the end of the year, it has NO RELEVANCE WHAT SO EVER to the GRADE of HIS performance in WEEK 3.

 

You have decided you hate him, and no matter what he does on a particular Sunday, you will say it MEH to server your agenda.

 

If you think that Sundays game was average at best, then you literally don't have a freaking clue about football or you are so obsessed with a blind hatred you are incapable of rational thought. That by NO MEANS suggests he will do this every week, but we are ONLY talking about the Denver game.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[buffalostu2]

You are assuming all of these are unforced errors. So Eddie Yarborough's pressure on Simien for INT #2 doesn't mean anything?

 

Von Miller wasn't peeved about getting to Taylor a second late due to a good blocking scheme?

 

Recognition by the punt return team of different personnel to stop the fake.

 

Lastly haven't you seen enough Leodis McKelvin dropped INTs to know you still have to catch the ball?

 

Let's give the Bills a little credit can't we?

[zow2]

Very happy about the outcome of the game. But Denver really screwed up.

 

1. Failed fake punt - dumb
2. Interception #1 - awful
3. Interception #2 - even worse
4. Von Miller penalty - freebie from the zebra

 

I liked the outcome because normally we are the ones doing dumb things or not getting calls. But have you seen two worse interceptions than the ones Trevor Siemian made? That was sandlot worthy. Who does a fake punt in that situation? The Miller penalty was a no call. I also doubt that when the winds start blowing we are going to see two 53+ yard field goals again.

 

Good coaches like the Hoodie and QB's like Matt Ryan and Tom Brady do not make those kind of mistakes. Need to see more before buying Super Bowl tickets.

 

Sincerely,

Debbie Downer

 

The Sanders "non-catch" was also a bit of a gift. I dunno, if that was a Bills WR i'd be furious he took like three steps. Later in the day the Brandin Cooks TD catch for NE looked to have a similar wobble at the end and they counted it as a catch.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Dude, what are you even talking about? You can't even keep your rants straight...one minute its that his WIN is not good enough despite going 20-26 with guys dropping multiple passes and was literally our whole offense. He literally carried the team. Now you are talking about a season end win percentage despite we are only 3 games in with this .500 nonsense.

 

So I really don't care if you THINK we will be .500 team or not at the end of the year, it has NO RELEVANCE WHAT SO EVER to the GRADE of HIS performance in WEEK 3.

 

You have decided you hate him, and no matter what he does on a particular Sunday, you will say it MEH to server your agenda.

 

If you think that Sundays game was average at best, then you literally don't have a freaking clue about football or you are so obsessed with a blind hatred you are incapable of rational thought. That by NO MEANS suggests he will do this every week, but we are ONLY talking about the Denver game.

Thanks for that clarification.

 

Note to self - should steer clear in the future of those who have an agenda against those not Championing Taylor.

Rants .... funny stuff there.

[Alphadawg7]

Thanks for that clarification.

 

Note to self - should steer clear in the future of those who have an agenda against those not Championing Taylor.

Rants .... funny stuff there.

 

You mean like guys pissing and moaning after not throwing for a meaningless 300 yard state but had a near perfect day of passing and a decisive win on a team that was a top 5 ranked team in just about everyones power rankings before playing Buffalo?

[The Big Cat]

If you really think about it, it's an embarrassing win.

 

Completely agreed. Reminds me of all the fantastic losses the Bills have had.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

What I find really funny/ironic is the Bills win big and Shop and Bulldung GR55 only want to talk about taking a knee..

Unless joe b, chris brown or moreso sal are there, that show won't add much to insight or analysis about the bills. Controversial topics they can get away with taking calls on and droning on about are just an easy way to punch the clock without a shred of homework.

 

What other choice to you have for bills talk?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I've said I'd like to see more passing yards. That IMO (which as you said you could give a **** about) is not a rant.

 

The rant as I see it is you yelling at half a dozen people that yards don't matter.

 

So, I guess the Bills could become the lowest passing team and rushing team in the NFL and it won't bother you as long as we finish .500.

 

[Scott7975]

key word - average

 

next key word - 2017

 

Chargers and Cowboys and Bills

 

LA Chargers

Philip Rivers 22/33 for 192

Rushing 22 for 64 @ 2.9 ypp avg

Dak Prescott 30/50 for 238

Rushing 14 for 40 @ 2.9 ypp avg

Tyrod Taylor 20/26 for 213

Rushing 33 for 75 @ 2.3 ypp avg

 

Maybe Buffalo has the Better defense and maybe the Broncs are not as good as they were.

 

2017 Bills D 12 ppg, Denver D 18ppg. 6 point Delta.

To be fair... they faced Rivers, Prescott, and Taylor. Our D faced McClown, a busted up Newton, and Siemian. Oddly Taylor had a better game than Rivers and Prescott.

thank you for contributing to the conversation and following along. Since when does TT play for either ATL or NE?

 

 

Alphadog mentioned Ultraconservative and my rebuttal was IMO Ultraconservative can cost you games.

His point about ultraconservative was that Taylor isn't going to get 300 yards with 26 passes. If the passes aren't called you aren't getting the yards. That's just the way it is. You cant blame Taylor for that. Brady passed 27 times against the Jets last year he got 214 yards. He also passed 26 times against Pitts last year and got 222 yards.

 

If its more yards you want to see its not going to happen unless they call more passes. They aren't going to call more passes in one score games. Its just not the type of offense they run. Sure you can make an argument that its because Taylor cant handle it. The problem with the argument is that its just speculation. I posted in another thread a week ago or somewhere around there of that Taylor has shown with more throws he has the same production. So if they called 35 passes you would have seen your 300 yard game.

 

Yards do not coincide with wins. They just don't.

Edited September 27, 2017 by Scott7975

[Alphadawg7]

To be fair... they faced Rivers, Prescott, and Taylor. Our D faced McClown, a busted up Newton, and Siemian. Oddly Taylor had a better game than Rivers and Prescott.

His point about ultraconservative was that Taylor isn't going to get 300 yards with 26 passes. If the passes aren't called you aren't getting the yards. That's just the way it is. You cant blame Taylor for that. Brady passed 27 times against the Jets last year he got 214 yards. He also passed 26 times against Pitts last year and got 222 yards.

 

If its more yards you want to see its not going to happen unless they call more passes. They aren't going to call more passes in one score games. Its just not the type of offense they run. Sure you can make an argument that its because Taylor cant handle it. The problem with the argument is that its just speculation. I posted in another thread a week ago or somewhere around there of that Taylor has shown with more throws he has the same production. So if they called 35 passes you would have seen your 300 yard game.

 

Yards do not coincide with wins. They just don't.

 

Shhhhh...youre gonna make his head explode with this much logic.

[nedboy7]

Dont worry. Wait till Sunday.

[Bills Pimpin']

If our starters beat their starters then I'll eat some crow. Its not going to happen unless Matt Ryan gets hurt and everyone on this board knows it. Same with Pats. We have absolutely zero chance. Its embarrassing. I don't even watch the Pats games. But keep celebrating wins vs the Jets and Broncos, 2 non playoff teams.

You are in for a rude awakening then

I've been waiting all week for this... start munching brah. Eat that crow and post it. Be a man.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

To be fair... they faced Rivers, Prescott, and Taylor. Our D faced McClown, a busted up Newton, and Siemian. Oddly Taylor had a better game than Rivers and Prescott.

His point about ultraconservative was that Taylor isn't going to get 300 yards with 26 passes. If the passes aren't called you aren't getting the yards. That's just the way it is. You cant blame Taylor for that. Brady passed 27 times against the Jets last year he got 214 yards. He also passed 26 times against Pitts last year and got 222 yards.

 

If its more yards you want to see its not going to happen unless they call more passes. They aren't going to call more passes in one score games. Its just not the type of offense they run. Sure you can make an argument that its because Taylor cant handle it. The problem with the argument is that its just speculation. I posted in another thread a week ago or somewhere around there of that Taylor has shown with more throws he has the same production. So if they called 35 passes you would have seen your 300 yard game.

 

Yards do not coincide with wins. They just don't.

Neither does Great QB stats

 

Typical Taylor is what he is. (Now, you can say that wasn't called for but Typical Taylor is good enough when you have a top notch Defense).

 

I want to see more yards in the passing only to know if he is capable time and again when it is needed.

 

Playing Ultra conservative has inherent risks. Did you not fear the Loss looming when the Bills failed to convert a 1st down with 3:45 on the clock?

 

I know I did and I am sure most of the other did too.

who bumped this silliness anyway

[Punching Bag]

Playing Ultra conservative has inherent risks. Did you not fear the Loss looming when the Bills failed to convert a 1st down with 3:45 on the clock?

 

No but I am sure you "fear the Loss" (with capital L) when Jerry writes a column condemning the Bills (which is always).

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

No but I am sure you "fear the Loss" (with capital L) when Jerry writes a column condemning the Bills (which is always).

??????????

 

you Lost me.

[KDIGGZ]

I've been waiting all week for this... start munching brah. Eat that crow and post it. Be a man.

mmm yes this crow tastes good. tastes like chicken! i'm officially off the tank wagon. our defense is good! i BILLieve!!!