BringBackOrton Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) So ridiculous. His point is that we would be stupid to trade for Luck and he is correct whether there are 10 hall of fame QBs in this draft or zero. People falling over themselves to give up gigantic $ and multiple first round picks for a guy that has Luck's results borders on creepy. Kim Jung QB has gone 16-0 and won the Super Bowl every year. Wrong. His point is there's a good QB in the draft we can get cheap and that would be better than trading for Luck. He would need to, you know, name the QB that would be better? Would we be better off trading up for the next Jay Clocker? No. How many times do you want me to answer that? Literally did it twice now. You gave me Darnold but said you don't think we could get him. Is Mayfield your choice? I think there's a serious case of two birds in the bush when it comes to QB prospects. What AFC South teams do you think have the best chances of winning a Super Bowl in the next 8 seasons? Edited September 16, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Long way to g but I'm not sure Mayfield will be a 1st round player. I haven't really looked at him at all so I am only going on the buzz in draft circles but most people seem to think he will still be there on day 2. The player I'll be watching is Louisville's Lamar Jackson. He is still unpolished but under Petrino he is honing his game. I don't see the Bills being in a position to draft either Darnold or Rosen. They will be quickly coming off of the board. I believe that as a pro prospect Jackson will be steadily moving up the board as the season advances. In some respects his dynamic athleticism works against him in that it overshadows his abilities as a quarterback. From what I have seen he is a polished Vick with better character and work ethic. It seems to me that both Darnold and Rosen would be more ready as pros because they play on a more pro ready office. But given more time to adjust his game Jackson will be a terrific pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 The player I'll be watching is Louisville's Lamar Jackson. He is still unpolished but under Petrino he is honing his game. I don't see the Bills being in a position to draft either Darnold or Rosen. They will be quickly coming off of the board. I believe that as a pro prospect Jackson will be steadily moving up the board as the season advances. In some respects his dynamic athleticism works against him in that it overshadows his abilities as a quarterback. From what I have seen he is a polished Vick with better character and work ethic. It seems to me that both Darnold and Rosen would be more ready as pros because they play on a more pro ready office. But given more time to adjust his game Jackson will be a terrific pro. If we could snag him in the 2nd round, it would be a steal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Trade the whole offense for luck. He can snapp the ball to himself and run or he could throw it to himself. Fantastic idea change the way the game is played. Save a lot of money Ticket cost could go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Trade the whole offense for luck. He can snapp the ball to himself and run or he could throw it to himself. Fantastic idea change the way the game is played. Save a lot of money Ticket cost could go down. Ya know...u just might be on to something here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 The way many speak of him luck needs to play defense as well to make his team win. Just hilarious. bills, jags, niners, jets, skins, cardinals all looking for a qb next year. cousins goes to one. so 5 teams to get in front of. I'd prefer cousins and just load the team with talent with all those picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan60 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 No more dual threat QBs for me. I want a guy who stands a chance of being the face of the franchise for fifteen years. Not interested in any guy whose premier skill is running. I've read all about Jackson "honing his game" and that scares the hell out of me. Every time Taylor crosses the LOS it's open season on his shoulder and legs. If you don't think Carolina's LBs are thinking that way you're delusional. Every QB scrambles, but I want it to be as a last resort, not part of the game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 If we could snag him in the 2nd round, it would be a steal The approach you are suggesting is the reason why the Bills keep missing out on good qb prospects. It is better to draft a qb a round sooner than wait a round later when addressing that position. If the Bills would have drafted Russell Wilson, Carr, Prescott etc a little bit early instead of waiting this franchise would be in a better situation. Lamar Jackson is not a finished product. He, more than Darnold and Rosen, has to polish his game to be a success in the pros. Smart and reasonable projecting would pay dividends when applied to this tremendously talented player. I'll make a prediction: By the time the season is over he will be ranked as a top ten prospect, regardless of position. Especially for this befuddled franchise dithering on the qb position has strangled this franchise. It's time that it loosens the self-administered noose and take a proactive approach to addressing such a critical need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Ok new plan. 1 center, 1 running back , 1 wide receiver , 1 QB. 4 on defense 10 reservists. And we call it MEADBALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) The approach you are suggesting is the reason why the Bills keep missing out on good qb prospects. It is better to draft a qb a round sooner than wait a round later when addressing that position. If the Bills would have drafted Russell Wilson, Carr, Prescott etc a little bit early instead of waiting this franchise would be in a better situation. Lamar Jackson is not a finished product. He, more than Darnold and Rosen, has to polish his game to be a success in the pros. Smart and reasonable projecting would pay dividends when applied to this tremendously talented player. I'll make a prediction: By the time the season is over he will be ranked as a top ten prospect, regardless of position. Especially for this befuddled franchise dithering on the qb position has strangled this franchise. It's time that it loosens the self-administered noose and take a proactive approach to addressing such a critical need. all good points... Edited September 16, 2017 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I would EASILY lose Dareus, McCoy, and Clay for Luck. In a heartbeat. And that would be dumb. Why gut your team for one player? You end up with the Colts version 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Teams don't trade franchise qbs unless there is something very, very wrong with the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 Aww, thanks BADOL! How awesome would that be for you to have a fellow Rosen QB'ing the Bills? Actually thought about that during that comeback game for JR against A&M......you were always a jersey guy even back when there weren't nearly as many people wearing them at the games so I figured you'd probably get one of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 The approach you are suggesting is the reason why the Bills keep missing out on good qb prospects. It is better to draft a qb a round sooner than wait a round later when addressing that position. If the Bills would have drafted Russell Wilson, Carr, Prescott etc a little bit early instead of waiting this franchise would be in a better situation. Lamar Jackson is not a finished product. He, more than Darnold and Rosen, has to polish his game to be a success in the pros. Smart and reasonable projecting would pay dividends when applied to this tremendously talented player. I'll make a prediction: By the time the season is over he will be ranked as a top ten prospect, regardless of position. Especially for this befuddled franchise dithering on the qb position has strangled this franchise. It's time that it loosens the self-administered noose and take a proactive approach to addressing such a critical need. I am not sure Crisped was suggesting was to wait. I may be off but i took it as he was agreeing with you in a defined manner. He suggested Lamar should go before the second round , when we pick perhaps? Thing is you want a QB who fits your program to some degree ? McDermott seems to be about character so far. No reason not to be waiting a year to develop some one a bit rough in the second. we can retain Tyrod. Teams don't trade franchise qbs unless there is something very, very wrong with the player. I don't even like the guy anymore. but something is amiss here. "hanging with Jim Irsay" an essay by Luck about his decaying orbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 ....Andrew has been a victim of circumstance with Irsay and Grigson....feel sorry for the lad because he does have talent.....then again, the top three owner buffoons in the NFL are Jones, Snyder and yup......Irsay....Moe, Larry & Curly...trade for Andrew...nope.....we are in TT's "show me " year, Peterman is coming along nicely and with six picks in the first three rounds for 2018, I like our position.....good things may not happen this year, but Buffalo has NOT been in such a poised position for years going forward IMO.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I just can't seem to get behind a guy who looks like he's missing a chromosome.........that gene pool needs a little chlorine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Wrong. His point is there's a good QB in the draft we can get cheap and that would be better than trading for Luck. He would need to, you know, name the QB that would be better? Would we be better off trading up for the next Jay Clocker? No. Your strange obsession with Luck has clouded your reading comprehension and use of logic. The point of the thread is trading for Luck if the Colts are in a high draft position. As you may be aware, the draft will not occur until this season has been over for a while. With that being the case, why would he have to know which QB he wants right now? Why not wait out the season and, you know, watch some of the prospects play? I mean it is clear you have swallowed the kool aid on Luck a long time ago, but geez dude try to restrict it to distorting his results and don't let it force you to criticize a bunch of college kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I just can't seem to get behind a guy who looks like he's missing a chromosome.........that gene pool needs a little chlorine. Haha, Luck is a million times more intelligent than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Your strange obsession with Luck has clouded your reading comprehension and use of logic. The point of the thread is trading for Luck if the Colts are in a high draft position. As you may be aware, the draft will not occur until this season has been over for a while. With that being the case, why would he have to know which QB he wants right now? Why not wait out the season and, you know, watch some of the prospects play? I mean it is clear you have swallowed the kool aid on Luck a long time ago, but geez dude try to restrict it to distorting his results and don't let it force you to criticize a bunch of college kids. Because otherwise, it's a kooky grass is greener argument. "One of these kids might be as good or better than Luck, so I'd rather take one and risk him being absolute trash like 90% of drafted QB's instead of a QB who has proven to play at a high level in the NFL" isn't a great strategy. That's Alpha's argument. And if the QB he decides to hitch his wagon on ends up losing a backup competition 4 years after being drafted, he'd be proven incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Because otherwise, it's a kooky grass is greener argument. "One of these kids might be as good or better than Luck, so I'd rather take one and risk him being absolute trash like 90% of drafted QB's instead of a QB who has proven to play at a high level in the NFL" isn't a great strategy. That's Alpha's argument. And if the QB he decides to hitch his wagon on ends up losing a backup competition 4 years after being drafted, he'd be proven incorrect. Completely silly. Now if in April he said "I like Mayfield and would rather pick him than trade for Luck" and we pick Mayfield and Luck and his gigantic contract get traded to a different team and he turns his career around and Mayfield does terrible, then maybe you'd have a case. But it is not April right now so there is no need for him to define that tern within his argument. He is simply saying it is much easier to win if you have the luxury of having a good QB on a low salary. You know, like the Seahawks did with Wilson. You can argue all you want about Luck's litany of excuses and it is possible that all of these excuses which keep piling up year after year have conspired against him and resulted in him not winning, but you cannot argue that his presence wouldn't limit a team due to his salary. It would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Haha, Luck is a million times more intelligent than you. You don't even know me, kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Completely silly. Now if in April he said "I like Mayfield and would rather pick him than trade for Luck" and we pick Mayfield and Luck and his gigantic contract get traded to a different team and he turns his career around and Mayfield does terrible, then maybe you'd have a case. But it is not April right now so there is no need for him to define that tern within his argument. He is simply saying it is much easier to win if you have the luxury of having a good QB on a low salary. You know, like the Seahawks did with Wilson. You can argue all you want about Luck's litany of excuses and it is possible that all of these excuses which keep piling up year after year have conspired against him and resulted in him not winning, but you cannot argue that his presence wouldn't limit a team due to his salary. It would. I guess we'll have to wait three years to know if he's right. Obviously, it's easier to win with good players on low salaries. What a novel concept. Can we move beyond first-grade analysis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I would much rather see the Bills sign Cousins as a FA, no matter the cost, than give up a bunch of picks for Luck. Not worth the money, just an average QB Not worth the money, just an average QB What has he done that has been so great in this league, he is not a franchise QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 And that would be dumb. Why gut your team for one player? You end up with the Colts version 2. I'm pretty confident none of them will be on the Bills in 3 years time, regardless of whether my dumb hypothetical trade happens. So if you think they comprise the guts of the roster you're in for a rough couple of seasons after 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 NO LUCK, MASON RUDOLPH PLEASE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Not worth the money, just an average QB What has he done that has been so great in this league, he is not a franchise QB Well,for starters, Cousins has thrown for 9,000 yards and 54 TDs in the past two seasons. That sounds like a better than average QB to me. Do you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Well,for starters, Cousins has thrown for 9,000 yards and 54 TDs in the past two seasons. That sounds like a better than average QB to me. Do you agree? Cousins is a fraud. He will never win a Super Bowl and I am sure of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Cousins is a fraud. He will never win a Super Bowl and I am sure of this.Oh, OK. Care to back that up with something, or is that just your "gut"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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