HappyDays Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Demaryius Thomas had 105 catches and over 1,300 yards in their Super Bowl year. You wouldn't call that elite? 7th in both catches AND yards with a broken down Manning and Osweiler as his QBs. You wouldn't saying that $43.5M in guarantees is being paid like an elite receiver?!? At $70M total contract value there is exactly 1 receiver making more (Julio). An average of $12M a year would make him the 7th highest paid receiver in the league. https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/ I guess it depends on how you define elite. Julio Jones, AJ Green, OBJ, Antonio Brown. In no particular order those are the elite receivers. Then I would put people like Thomas, Mike Evans, Doug Baldwin (criminally underrated IMO). Sammy wants to be paid like the first tier and he probably will be. Did he just say DT wasn't an elite wr? He was a top 10 wr, at times top 5, before last year. What is going on with this board? Have the Bills' mediocrity just killed fans' ability to know elite talent? Top 10 isn't elite in a league of 32 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I guess it depends on how you define elite. Julio Jones, AJ Green, OBJ, Antonio Brown. In no particular order those are the elite receivers. Then I would put people like Thomas, Mike Evans, Doug Baldwin (criminally underrated IMO). Sammy wants to be paid like the first tier and he probably will be. Top 10 isn't elite in a league of 32 teams. You also said that he was never paid like an elite receiver despite being the 2nd highest paid receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 You also said that he was never paid like an elite receiver despite being the 2nd highest paid receiver. Total value means nothing to me, the average salary is what matters. Looking at that list of average salaries he's right where I would put him, which is below all the receivers I pegged as elite. OBJ will of course be there soon. And I actually expect Sammy to be there too, although I don't think his production will match it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) So under your theory and showing my age here .... The Eldest Duck Dynasty Phil Robertson who beat out Terry Bradshaw at Louisana Tech should of been Joe Montana. Or the fact that Tom Brady sat behind Brian Griese and the illustrious Scott Driesboch his first two years (ala Peterman's first two years at Tennessee before transferring to Pitt) and was drafted in sixth round ... again all I'm saying is like any other pick .. its a lottery ticket. I just can't believe people are talking themselves into a 5th round rookie who couldn't beat out Joshua Dobbs.Maybe the Bills should try drafting more than 3 qbs in 30 years in the 1st round. Edited August 13, 2017 by WideRightRevenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Total value means nothing to me, the average salary is what matters. Looking at that list of average salaries he's right where I would put him, which is below all the receivers I pegged as elite. OBJ will of course be there soon. And I actually expect Sammy to be there too, although I don't think his production will match it.So 4th highest average isn't being paid like an elite WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 A little emotional over a marginal QB prospect aren't you? Part of what's done on a football forum is assess player abilities at every position. Your emotional response in defense of Peterman is rather odd unless you're related to him. I see what I see and if you disagree that's fine. My 2 cents We don't know who Peterman is or what he can do. The negative Nancy's slamming Nate is premature. Calling him a backup at best at this time is an uneducated guess. Guys, Peterman scored a td against 3 and 4 stringers! We are set for the next 15 years! If the Bills don't draft a qb in the 1st round, it would be another major failure. What proof do you have to ridicule Nate so boldly? I'm just asking a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) My 2 cents We don't know who Peterman is or what he can do. The negative Nancy's slamming Nate is premature. Calling him a backup at best at this time is an uneducated guess. What proof do you have to ridicule Nate so boldly? I'm just asking a question. Negative Nancy? Should I praise him as a great QB prospect when what I have seen from his College tape says backup QB at the NFL level? What I saw from him on Thursday doesn't change that assessment. Calling him a career backup isn't ridicule. Now if I posted that he sucks and doesn't belong in the NFL that would be harsh just as I said with Manziel and Tebow before him. You want to drink Peterman hype, then you're more than welcome to. I stand by my assessment until I see otherwise to alter my view. Edited August 13, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Peterman getting second-team reps today in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) My 2 cents We don't know who Peterman is or what he can do. The negative Nancy's slamming Nate is premature. Calling him a backup at best at this time is an uneducated guess. What proof do you have to ridicule Nate so boldly? I'm just asking a question. I'm not ridiculing him. I just find the overreaction to a presseaon game completely fascinating. My god, people did it with Jeff Tuel. By all accounts, Peterson has been meh all camp. I hope he turns into a solid backup. But everything in the world says that is probably his ceiling. And that's fine for a 5th rounder. I would bet 95% of qbs drafted after the 2nd round fail. I hope NP is part of the 5% but it's kinda nuts to think otherwise after a completely meaningless game against pretty meaningless players. Edited August 13, 2017 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Peterman getting second-team reps today in practice. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 ...my my, this 17 year drought is certainly yielding many sandy BVD's...guy sucks after two quarters in a fuggin' pre-season game or is ALREADY judged as possible a career backup???...and I thought BBMB died.....wow....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 So under your theory and showing my age here .... The Eldest Duck Dynasty Phil Robertson who beat out Terry Bradshaw at Louisana Tech should of been Joe Montana. Or the fact that Tom Brady sat behind Brian Griese and the illustrious Scott Driesboch his first two years (ala Peterman's first two years at Tennessee before transferring to Pitt) and was drafted in sixth round ... again all I'm saying is like any other pick .. its a lottery ticket. Be honest. Did you ever watch NP in college and think he was going to be a NFL starting qb one day? I didn't. Again, I like the pick. I always like taking qbs. You're right, hopefully we get lucky. But odds are we going crazy over another qb who won't amount to anything. But I hope I'm wrong. But I also want a 1st round qb next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Even if this staff comes out of 2017 convinced (somehow) that Peterman can (or will) be the guy, they should absolutely be looking to acquire another potential franchise QB in the 2017 draft. Injuries happen. Regression happens. Holdouts happen. Suspensions happen. Being over prepared at the QB position would be a 180-degree turnaround for this franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Sal Capaccio Verified account @SalSports 16m16 minutes ago More Now it's for sure. Peterman working as the second-team QB. There now in 11/11 and he's in after Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Gonna file this under NSS: @JoeBuscaglia QB Nathan Peterman is still working with the twos. TJ Yates' struggles from Thursday likely a big reason. #Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Sal Capaccio Verified account @SalSports 16m16 minutes ago More Now it's for sure. Peterman working as the second-team QB. There now in 11/11 and he's in after Taylor. As I've said since the pick: if Peterman turns out to be a competent NFL backup, then that's a 5th round pick well spent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Gonna file this under NSS: @JoeBuscaglia QB Nathan Peterman is still working with the twos. TJ Yates' struggles from Thursday likely a big reason. #Bills TJ Yates struggles from 6 years in the NFL is a likely a big reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy McFiddish Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 We are definitely trying for Sam Darnold next year. I really liked what I saw in Peterman. He had control of the offense and he walked with swagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 @marklud12 T.J. Yates just threw a pass that was complete ... to his receiver's foot. Pretty evident why Peterman is with the 2's today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 @marklud12 T.J. Yates just threw a pass that was complete ... to his receiver's foot. Pretty evident why Peterman is with the 2's today. I think Yates suck but I can't stand the snark from reporters who have never played a sport in their lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 @marklud12 T.J. Yates just threw a pass that was complete ... to his receiver's foot. Pretty evident why Peterman is with the 2's today. Time to promote him to assistant QB coach me thinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Even if this staff comes out of 2017 convinced (somehow) that Peterman can (or will) be the guy, they should absolutely be looking to acquire another potential franchise QB in the 2017 draft. Injuries happen. Regression happens. Holdouts happen. Suspensions happen. Being over prepared at the QB position would be a 180-degree turnaround for this franchise Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 @BuffRumblings Nathan Peterman was broken down by @YardsPerPass after his performance on Thursday night. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/8/13/16137168/buffalo-bills-analysis-nathan-peterman-preseason-debut-anticipation-arm-strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Negative Nancy? Should I praise him as a great QB prospect when what I have seen from his College tape says backup QB at the NFL level? What I saw from him on Thursday doesn't change that assessment. Calling him a career backup isn't ridicule. Now if I posted that he sucks and doesn't belong in the NFL that would be harsh just as I said with Manziel and Tebow before him. You want to drink Peterman hype, then you're more than welcome to. I stand by my assessment until I see otherwise to alter my view. I'm not drinking any hype. I'd prefer to see with my own eyes than automatically call him a career backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) I'm not drinking any hype. I'd prefer to see with my own eyes than automatically call him a career backup. Exactly what I did. The kid really reminds me of Brian Hoyer. Edited August 13, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) To the general public people should be rooting for the guy and not worrying that he might take some ones job this season. Exactly what I did. The kid really reminds me of Brian Hoyer. How with 15 minutes of game time Do you even read the links you post. shows good anticipation Something we need to see from a QB when TT is gone. Edited August 13, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 To the general public people should be rooting for the guy and not worrying that he might take some ones job this season. How with 15 minutes of game time He played in College and he has tape out there. Rooting for him doesn't mean ignoring what you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 College and real football are very different How many Heisman winners are busts? Where is Johnny Football today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 College and real football are very different How many Heisman winners are busts? Where is Johnny Football today? No kidding? Exactly why I didn't buy into Tebow or Manziel. You're not saying anything that people don't already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 @BuffRumblings Nathan Peterman was broken down by @YardsPerPass after his performance on Thursday night. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/8/13/16137168/buffalo-bills-analysis-nathan-peterman-preseason-debut-anticipation-arm-strength Those last two passes show why he needs so much more time to work on his delivery: velocity and touch/finesse. Took Tyrod 6 years to learn that touch/finesse and he still doesn't get it consistently. Peterman's farther ahead, so maybe just a few years to be a proficient starter, if he ever becomes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) @MatthewFairburn Sean McDermott explains why Nathan Peterman got reps with the 2 at Bills camp Sunday: http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/08/why_buffalo_bills_coach_sean_mcdermott_gave_nathan_peterman_reps_with_second_tea.html Edited August 13, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Peterman: "Keep Making Strides" (3:33)QB Nathan Peterman talks about taking reps with the two's, connecting with Brandon Tate on a Hail Mary and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Just to restate what I said in the training canp thread, I was at practice today and Peterman was the best of the 3 QBs. I would go so far as to say it wasn't really close. Not that that really means anything because it's just one practice but it's what I saw. He threaded a few beautiful passes, 3 in particular stand out in my memory and they were all different passes to different parts of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Richie Incognito By the time Peterman entered the game, Richie Incognito was comfortably on the sideline with the rest of the starters. That gave him a chance to soak up Peterman’s night from a different vantage point. “He was slinging that ball,” Incognito said. “Rhythm. He was making some anticipation throws. The kid’s going to be good. He needs to get polished up a bit on some little stuff, but he’s going to be a special player.” That's real encouraging to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 Wow a little more love this afternoon ... NICE to hear ... again it's only 2 quarters .. but Richie's a fan ... Happy's a fan from practice ... Gruden's a fan from Gruden QB Camp .. I'm a fan from Thursday .. so there are at least 4 people who like Nate in this world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) Richie Incognito By the time Peterman entered the game, Richie Incognito was comfortably on the sideline with the rest of the starters. That gave him a chance to soak up Petermans night from a different vantage point. He was slinging that ball, Incognito said. Rhythm. He was making some anticipation throws. The kids going to be good. He needs to get polished up a bit on some little stuff, but hes going to be a special player. That's real encouraging to hear. I saw Richie on Cowherd or something, and he's a surprisingly good interview. I guess he wants to get into broadcasting, and I think he'll be good at it. Edited August 13, 2017 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Wow a little more love this afternoon ... NICE to hear ... again it's only 2 quarters .. but Richie's a fan ... Happy's a fan from practice ... Gruden's a fan from Gruden QB Camp .. I'm a fan from Thursday .. so there are at least 4 people who like Nate in this world Hopefully a year on the sideline and in and NFL strength and conditioning program to get the arm a littler stronger can have him ready to compete next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan60 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 would love to see what this kid could do with a full week of practice with the 1s (even tho it won't happen). really looking forward to Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 If the EJ years taught me anything it's that no one will have the foggiest idea what this guy's progress and potential are until he starts exactly 16 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Peterman getting second-team reps today in practice. Hallelujah! And if/when the Bills are out of the playoffs, I definitely see them starting him. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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