Nate Peterman Love .. anyone vs. 2018 QB draft??

[26CornerBlitz]

Hard when I'm using an iphone and yes I know the difference, again you're a good writer, and Manzel had some Flutie like talent imo (NFL possibly capable if developed properly imo) but to dissmiss talent v his stupidity is another story. Again I said imo, not fact. The previous posters know how present arguments. Learn how and you will be a much better talent. You have arm strength, not sure though if you can analyze a defense, but you have potential. PS, I play hockey at a much lower level, but know the game and have been watching football the Juice came into the league, so I have seen a thing or too and know QB is the hardest position to evaluate and a lot depends on the coach to figure out that talent and best use it. Again state things as opinion, point out flaws you see, not as someone else does. I think too often repeat others' opinions.

 

Irrespective of what you think, I watch players before offering an assessment of what they are. I don't need to lean on the thoughts of anyone else when I can formulate my own opinion based upon what I see for myself. You are hung up on this silly semantics of assessment vs. opinion.

 

I said before and after Manziel was drafted that he was just another run around College QB who didn't have the requisite skill set to succeed at the NFL level. He's small with an average arm and certainly not a special athlete at the NFL level. The running around he did at Texas A&M to make big plays will not work in the NFL. He has no concept of reading defenses, going through progressions, or throwing with timing and anticipation within the structure of an NFL offense. All of that before you get to his lack of emotional maturity and lack of any intangible leadership ability. NFL talent? Nope!

 

The last thing I need from you is some condescending lecture on how to present my assessments when you have no idea how I arrive at a conclusion. I have wasted enough time responding to you. Good day.

[North Buffalo]

 

The last thing I need from you is some condescending lecture on how to present my assessments when you have no idea how I arrive at a conclusion. I have wasted enough time responding to you. Good day.

And that's the problem I have with your writing. I don't know how you arrive at your assessments... you don't share them, you present them as facts... arrogantly so when someone questions them or disagrees. Write what you did above but with a little humilty. PS "the running around like he did in Texas" can work in the NFL and has... Tarkington, Manning, Elway, Favre to name a few... He couldn't read a defense? Maybe not, but where and how did you arrive at your opinion. His immaturity prevented any of that and he showed moments where he did read a defense well imo. But his arrogance and lack of coachability prevented any of those issues from being addressed.Again thanks for engaging and I hope despite my condescension, you consider my feedback and better backup your assessments using less black and white statements.

[jethro_tull]

Nathan Peterman looks like a career backup QB.

That makes two then.

[RyanC883]

QBs are the greatest assets.

 

If they end up having 2, so be it. Then they trade Peterman for more than they bought him for. Either way, they'll have their guy.

 

this. But I don't think they will have to spend all the picks they amassed to get their guy (whoever it is). They also want a "team" around that guy. Rookie QB's who have "instant" success generally have great players around them (think Big Ben in 2004).

[26CornerBlitz]

And that's the problem I have with your writing. I don't know how you arrive at your assessments... you don't share them, you present them as facts... arrogantly so when someone questions them or disagrees. Write what you did above but with a little humilty. PS "the running around like he did in Texas" can work in the NFL and has... Tarkington, Manning, Elway, Favre to name a few... He couldn't read a defense? Maybe not, but where and how did you arrive at your opinion. His immaturity prevented any of that and he showed moments where he did read a defense well imo. But his arrogance and lack of coachability prevented any of those issues from being addressed.Again thanks for engaging and I hope despite my condescension, you consider my feedback and better backup your assessments using less black and white statements.

 

Your problem with what I write is not frankly my concern and how did you arrive at your opinion on Manziel or Peterman? Haven't seen you share anything that supports your position with you just making statements. See how this works.

 

Comparing Manziel to those great NFL QBs who incorporated improvisation into their games, but didn't rely on it as the core is puzzling to say the least.

[grb]

Absolutely, it is said by the professionals in here this is TT make or break year, his 7th in the league, yet NP has been written off as a career backup, maybe, after 2 quarters of his first ever NFL game. It's damn comical!

 

Yes it's comical. As are all the categorical statements Taylor can't improve. As are the people here gushing about Peterman taking over the team. It's all just Quarterback Craziness.

 

Personally, I think Peterman has a very good shot at becoming a viable starter and would enjoy seeing that happen - if for no other reason than see the football industry's quasi-scientific system of metrics, measurables, and scouting system clichés fall on it's face again. He's an easy guy to root for, just like Taylor. But no one knows if Peterman is going to beat the odds right now and it's silly to claim otherwise, one way or another. He played up & down in one preseason game against threes & fours. He's had a couple of good practices in a generally bad camp. Don't write him off or make him the next Tom Brady - at least not until he marries a supermodel........

Edited August 15, 2017 by grb

[26CornerBlitz]

That makes two then.

 

Two backup QBs? You including Tyrod as one of them?

[North Buffalo]

Your problem with what I write is not frankly my concern and how did you arrive at your opinion on Manziel or Peterman? Haven't seen you share anything that supports your position with you just making statements. See how this works.

 

Comparing Manziel to those great NFL QBs who incorporated improvisation into their games, but didn't rely on it as the core is puzzling to say the least.

On Peterman, I did and stated as my opinion from what I saw of him and the other two during preseason games and stated as such. Guess you don't read or remember so well. Again on Manzel your pointing out his defiencies were black and white on being able to read a defense. I disagree that he couldn't, he didn't do it enough because of his arrogance and reported lack of coachability due to his lack maturity as exemplified by his off field issues. He showed moments though and that what was so intriguing about him. But then again that is just my opinion from afar.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Irrespective of what you think, I watch players before offering an assessment of what they are. I don't need to lean on the thoughts of anyone else when I can formulate my own opinion based upon what I see for myself. You are hung up on this silly semantics of assessment vs. opinion.

 

I said before and after Manziel was drafted that he was just another run around College QB who didn't have the requisite skill set to succeed at the NFL level. He's small with an average arm and certainly not a special athlete at the NFL level. The running around he did at Texas A&M to make big plays will not work in the NFL. He has no concept of reading defenses, going through progressions, or throwing with timing and anticipation within the structure of an NFL offense. All of that before you get to his lack of emotional maturity and lack of any intangible leadership ability. NFL talent? Nope!

 

The last thing I need from you is some condescending lecture on how to present my assessments when you have no idea how I arrive at a conclusion. I have wasted enough time responding to you. Good day.

 

With all due respect you saw all of 7 minutes of NP under center in the NFL.

 

College does NOT = the NFL.

I don't watch college football and I could tell you Johnny Football would be the major bust he turned out to be.

Edited August 15, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[26CornerBlitz]

On Peterman, I did and stated as my opinion from what I saw of him and the other two during preseason games and stated as such. Guess you don't read or remember so well. Again on Manzel your pointing out his defiencies were black and white on being able to read a defense. I disagree that he couldn't, he didn't do it enough because of his arrogance and reported lack of coachability due to his lack maturity as exemplified by his off field issues. He showed moments though and that what was so intriguing about him. But then again that is just my opinion from afar.

 

I didn't see your post on that or I wasn't interested enough in it to read it. I only responded to you after you decided you didn't like what I posted and got personal. But whatever.....moving on.

[North Buffalo]

Your problem with what I write is not frankly my concern and how did you arrive at your opinion on Manziel or Peterman? Haven't seen you share anything that supports your position with you just making statements. See how this works.

. PS, not your concern?... ok I'll continue to take your facts with a grain of salt then... because you make them without esplaining them Lucy... It is a discussion board and is what it is... too each his own... have fun

[26CornerBlitz]

 

With all due respect you saw all of 7 minutes of NP under center in the NFL.

 

College does NOT = the NFL.

I don't watch college football and I could tell you Johnny Football would be the major bust he turned out to be.

 

College tape for players is part of the assessment process. Surely you understand that.

. PS, not your concern?... ok I'll continue to take your facts with a grain of salt then... because you make them without esplaining them Lucy... It is a discussion board and is what it is... too each his own... have fun

 

Perfect.

[North Buffalo]

I didn't see your post on that or I wasn't interested enough in it to read it. I only responded to you after you decided you didn't like what I posted and got personal. But whatever.....moving on.

. Nah not personal just wanted to pick a fight... hockey goon came out in me...

[BillsMedia]

If you are complacent with Peterman, you are complacent with losing. We have a QB already, let's see how the pro bowler does first.

Edited August 15, 2017 by BillsMedia

[HappyDays]

If you are complacent with Peterman, you are complacent with losing. We have a QB already, let's see how the pro bowler does first.

What if I like Tyrod and also like how Peterman has been developing?

[North Buffalo]

What if I like Tyrod and also like how Peterman has been developing?

I still think given the Bills' history you draft one high as a hedge... Patriot's seem to draft a QB every year or so because they don't know how long they have Brady and while riding that wave can they keep Garapolo long enough or do we even know if Garapolo is a good enough replacement despite their lying statements.

 

Part of it is talent, the other is drive. Hard to evaluate drive at the next level because it is the next level and so far it appears we don't know Peterman's next level drive or if TT has enough talent for their system.

Edited August 15, 2017 by North Buffalo

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

College tape for players is part of the assessment process. Surely you understand that.

 

Now I recall just how correct the scouting reports were on TT.

 

Doesn't throw with anticipation, indecisive, aborts the run too quickly and runs with the ball.

 

How could I be soooo dumb!!!! I'm sorry for arguing this.

What if I like Tyrod and also like how Peterman has been developing?

that's not allowed

 

/sarc

I swear I am beginning to feel those negative about Nate might be feel he is a threat to Tyrod.

 

if Peterman has not been developing then we are stuck with Yates people

[26CornerBlitz]

Now I recall just how correct the scouting reports were on TT.

 

Doesn't throw with anticipation, indecisive, aborts the run too quickly and runs with the ball.

 

How could I be soooo dumb!!!! I'm sorry for arguing this.

that's not allowed

 

/sarc

 

It's funny that Rick Dennison mentioned Tyrod needing to throw with anticipation in a training camp presser at SJF not too long ago. Thanks for bringing this up.

[Kirby Jackson]

Now I recall just how correct the scouting reports were on TT.

 

Doesn't throw with anticipation, indecisive, aborts the run too quickly and runs with the ball.

 

How could I be soooo dumb!!!! I'm sorry for arguing this.

 

that's not allowed

 

/sarc

 

I swear I am beginning to feel those negative about Nate might be feel he is a threat to Tyrod.

 

if Peterman has not been developing then we are stuck with Yates people

If he's a threat to Tyrod (which he isn't) we will have our tank wishes come true. With TT they are going to win 6-7 games. With Peterman it's probably 3. I'd rather win 3 than 7. I want to win less than 4 or more than 9. The middle is the worst case scenario. The Bills should send Tyrod to Jax or Denver (some team that thinks they are close with garbage QBs).

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

IF he's a threat (go with it) that would mean he has something to offer.

 

If that were true than it would indicate he's better or good enough to supplant him.

 

That being hypnotized

IF TT = 8 or 9 wins

THEN

NP should = the same amount of wins.

 

It only logical

[HappyDays]

I still think given the Bills' history you draft one high as a hedge... Patriot's seem to draft a QB every year or so because they don't know how long they have Brady and while riding that wave can they keep Garapolo long enough or do we even know if Garapolo is a good enough replacement despite their lying statements.

 

Part of it is talent, the other is drive. Hard to evaluate drive at the next level because it is the next level and so far it appears we don't know Peterman's next level drive or if TT has enough talent for their system.

It depends on where we're picking. If we aren't able to get a top 2 pick I want no part in a mid to late 1st round QB because historically they have an extremely high bust rate. I guess if this class is as good as people say it might be the exception. We'll have to see how the upcoming class looks in the college season ahead.

[GunnerBill]

Flacco and Rodgers have done okay. It is not about where you pick them it is about who you pick. Brandon Weeden didn't bust because of where he was picked he busted because he isn't any good. But I agree let's see how this class looks come Jan/ Feb.

[HappyDays]

Flacco and Rodgers have done okay. It is not about where you pick them it is about who you pick. Brandon Weeden didn't bust because of where he was picked he busted because he isn't any good. But I agree let's see how this class looks come Jan/ Feb.

I completely forgot about Flacco, my bad. He is the only 1st round QB taken after #2 since Aaron Rodgers to have any kind of success. And his success consists mainly of one amazing postseason run. There's something about the QBs that the 2 most needy teams won't take but some mid-level team convinces themselves is good. I agree this isn't really predictive but it's definitely something to consider.

[Kirby Jackson]

I completely forgot about Flacco, my bad. He is the only 1st round QB taken after #2 since Aaron Rodgers to have any kind of success. And his success consists mainly of one amazing postseason run. There's something about the QBs that the 2 most needy teams won't take but some mid-level team convinces themselves is good. I agree this isn't really predictive but it's definitely something to consider.

Matt Ryan? In general though I agree with your premises. Edited August 16, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Putin]

 

You act as if I said he sucked. I said he looked okay in his first preseason game action and I project him to be a career backup QB. Not exactly crapping on him.

 

BTW, there is a difference between critique and straight trolling that you have obviously yet to discern.

There are still 3 preseason games left , what happens if he keeps getting better and better with more games under his belt ? I know it's a lot of ( IF'S) but the only way to know for sure is to see ( eyes Chico they never lie )

Anyways let's see what he does with the 2's against Philly

[26CornerBlitz]

There are still 3 preseason games left , what happens if he keeps getting better and better with more games under his belt ? I know it's a lot of ( IF'S) but the only way to know for sure is to see ( eyes Chico they never lie )

Anyways let's see what he does with the 2's against Philly

 

He should beat out Yates who looked like Might as well waive Yates if he's not going to serve as the #2.

[Putin]

 

He should beat out Yates who looked like Might as well waive Yates if he's not going to serve as the #2.

I agree I would rather give Peterman all the reps , and even with the 1st ( in practice of course ) but if he plays well this week , I would defenetlly let him have a drive or two with the 1st , in the 3rd preseason game ,

[HappyDays]

Matt Ryan?

Man I really suck at this don't I? No more skimming through old draft classes for me...

[Putin]

And I would let him play most of the last preseason game as well

[26CornerBlitz]

I agree I would rather give Peterman all the reps , and even with the 1st ( in practice of course ) but if he plays well this week , I would defenetlly let him have a drive or two with the 1st , in the 3rd preseason game ,

 

Neither Peterman nor Yates took a single rep with the #1 offense during training camp. With camp concluded and the start of the regular season on the horizon the need for Tyrod to develop chemistry with an all new WR corps takes precedence over taking a look at Peterman with the #1 offense. He hasn't earned that opportunity. Trying to secure the #2 as a rookie QB is enough for him at this juncture.

Edited August 16, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[BuffaloHokie13]

Man I really suck at this don't I? No more skimming through old draft classes for me...

Ryan and Flacco were the same year, fwiw

[Putin]

 

Neither Peterman nor Yates took a single rep with the #1 offense during training camp. With camp concluded and the start of the regular season on the horizon the need for Tyrod to develop chemistry with an all new WR corps takes precedence over taking a look at Peterman with the #1 offense. He hasn't earned that opportunity. Trying to secure the #2 as a rookie QB is enough for him at this juncture.

What happens if TT gets hurt ? I don't mean something serious but if he has to miss a game or two , you don't think ( that's of course if Peterman wins the backup spot) a backup QB needs to take some reps with the 1st ?

[26CornerBlitz]

What happens if TT gets hurt ? I don't mean something serious but if he has to miss a game or two , you don't think ( that's of course if Peterman wins the backup spot) a backup QB needs to take some reps with the 1st ?

 

He'll win it. If Tyrod goes down with injury, he'll have to catch up with a crash course during a week of practice, but he should already know the offense with him being a pretty sharp kid.

Edited August 16, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[MAJBobby]

I will say this if he shows promise again while playing against twos

 

Buh bye Yates no reason to carry 3 QBs if your development guy passes your savy vet on the depth chart

[North Buffalo]

I will say this if he shows promise again while playing against twos

 

Buh bye Yates no reason to carry 3 QBs if your development guy passes your savy vet on the depth chart

I'm mixed on that. No confidence in Yates, but Peterman needs time to develop and no sense in ruining him in his first year if TT gets hurt, especially early in the season. Maybe cut him mid-season if a spot is needed because of other injuries. Kinda like the hockey, most guys play in the AHL first or play special teams while the get used to the NFL speed and game. It is at a whole 'nother level even if the guy has talent.

 

On playing with the ones, 4th game the O line usually plays most of the game... so keep the wide receivers in a little longer land let TT and Shady stay safe, while Peterman gets some reps. Yes TT needs some work on timing with WRs but I doubt he plays more than a couple of series in the 3rd game and maybe 1 series in the fourth, at least that is usually the pattern. Of course this is all my opinion, but if Peterman does in fact win the bkup role than he will need some work with the ones, even in practice towards the end of preseason. Then again, the Bills are not going anywhere this year, so does it really matter. Whatever is best for the long term of the team.

[#34fan]

If he's a threat to Tyrod (which he isn't) we will have our tank wishes come true. With TT they are going to win 6-7 games. With Peterman it's probably 3. I'd rather win 3 than 7. I want to win less than 4 or more than 9. The middle is the worst case scenario. The Bills should send Tyrod to Jax or Denver (some team that thinks they are close with garbage QBs).

 

And eat the roughly 2.5 million in dead money this year and the roughly 7. mil next year? ... Don't get me wrong, I think Denver is an EXCELLENT spot for Tyrod... Best spot in the league IMHO.... Question is, does McBeanie see it, and would they do it?

[WideRightRevenge]

Absolutely, it is said by the professionals in here this is TT make or break year, his 7th in the league, yet NP has been written off as a career backup, maybe, after 2 quarters of his first ever NFL game. It's damn comical!

 

Agreed Old School .... crawl ... walk ... run ... he's at the crawl stage ... and many think that's the extent of his talent level in the NFL .. clipboard holder.

 

With all due respect you saw all of 7 minutes of NP under center in the NFL.

 

College does NOT = the NFL.

I don't watch college football and I could tell you Johnny Football would be the major bust he turned out to be.

 

My memory of Johnny football was thank goodness he had Mike Evans .. he'd heave the ball high in the air .. and it was Mike Evans who saved him by going up and getting it ... that aside ... the antics should of shown he couldn't be a leader and that's one of the most critical functions of that position.

[WideRightRevenge]

If you are complacent with Peterman, you are complacent with losing. We have a QB already, let's see how the pro bowler does first.

 

Maybe he's a pro bowler because other QB's are still in the playoffs or opted not to play?? If I see Tyrod lead 4th quarter comebacks this year ... I'll change my tune ... those haven't occurred.

 

In 2016 per NFL situational stats ... in 4th quarter within 7 points .. 44% completion percentage, 3 TDs, 2 Ints, 65.8 Rating

 

Conversely ... Kirk Cousins a 4th round pick (Peterman analogy) ... same year .. 62% completion, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 94% Rating

 

Dak Prescott ..last year .. a rookie 4th rounder had 5 ... yes 5 .. 4th quarter comebacks.

 

Tyrod in his career ... yes career ... get ready .. 2. With our record ..he's had plenty of comeback opportunities .. the last few years.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_active.htm

[BuffaloHokie13]

 

Maybe he's a pro bowler because other QB's are still in the playoffs or opted not to play?? If I see Tyrod lead 4th quarter comebacks this year ... I'll change my tune ... those haven't occurred.

 

In 2016 per NFL situational stats ... in 4th quarter within 7 points .. 44% completion percentage, 3 TDs, 2 Ints, 65.8 Rating

 

Conversely ... Kirk Cousins a 4th round pick (Peterman analogy) ... same year .. 62% completion, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 94% Rating

 

Dak Prescott ..last year .. a rookie 4th rounder had 5 ... yes 5 .. 4th quarter comebacks.

 

Tyrod in his career ... yes career ... get ready .. 2. With our record ..he's had plenty of comeback opportunities .. the last few years.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/comebacks_active.htm

So they haven't occurred, but he somehow has 2?

 

There's a lot more to 4th quarter comebacks than the QB. In wins, Buffalo's Defense allows 14.5 points per game. In losses they allow 30.5. For the Cowboys it's 18.5 & 24.3. Over the past 2 years the Bills have won and lost based almost entirely on whether their Jekyll & Hyde defense shows up or not. The offensive production has been pretty consistent, very rarely being a let down but also never truly carrying us to a win when the defense was falling apart.

 

Aaron Rodgers has 10 4QC in his 11 year career, Matt Stafford had 8 last year alone. Who would you rather have?

[papazoid]

Peterman is going to be a good one.

 

Yates sucks.

 

TT is very unlikely on team next year.

 

the bills are using a first round pick on a QB in 2018......likely both of them in a trade up.

Edited August 16, 2017 by papazoid