DOJ Appoints Robert Mueller as Special Counsel - Jerome Corsi Rejects Plea Deal

[donbb]

Rick Gates is taking the witness stand today in Manafort's first trial.

[gatorbait]

3 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Right. So rabbithole one didn't yield a rabbit. Let's try rabbithole two.

 

Ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

 

Don’t get your old dirty tighty whities in a bunch...

 

If Manafort was rabbit hole one, what is rabbit hole two? I defer to you since you are the clear unbiased expert on the matter. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, gatorbait said:

Don’t get your old dirty tighty whities in a bunch...

 

If Manafort was rabbit hole one, what is rabbit hole two? I defer to you since you are the clear unbiased expert on the matter. 

 

The Don Jr. nonsense.

 

Actually, that's probably like rabbithole 15. But I lost count along the way.

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, Koko78 said:

 

Well, considering that Putin gave her "charity" millions of dollars, and paid Bubba $500,000 to give a "speech", where do I sign up to be the victim of his "hate"?

"Charity"? Are you using shibboleths to prove shibboleths? 

 

Why do you think Putin helped elect Trump? 

[gatorbait]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

The Don Jr. nonsense.

 

Actually, that's probably like rabbithole 15. But I lost count along the way.

 

Like they say, the 15th time is the charm.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, gatorbait said:

Like they say, the 15th time is the charm.

 

 

 

[Koko78]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

"Charity"? Are you using shibboleths to prove shibboleths? 

 

Why do you think Putin helped elect Trump? 

 

Would you prefer that I refer to the Clinton Foundation as what it really is: a corrupt criminal pay-to-play scam (otherwise known as a Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization)?

[TakeYouToTasker]

28 minutes ago, gatorbait said:

Nobody gives a **** about Manafort. He’s going to jail for a few years because of tax evasion/fraud. 

 

The convo shifted, and you should pay attention because we are going to hear a lot more about this meeting in the next couple of months. 

 

Let's walk this through:

 

As you said, no one cares about Manafort.  They used to care.  He was the smoking gun.  It was Manafort who was going to prove that the President colluded with a foreign government to influence the outcome of his election.

 

But now no one cares.  Because it was a lie perpetrated by the coup plotters in order to drum up outraged public sentiment and delegitimize our duly elected President, and now that things are being finalized, it has been demonstrated that it was a lie.

 

So now we're on to the next lie.

 

A drummed up story that has already been circulated 3, maybe 4 times.  There has already been hours of Congressional testimony about this.

 

Of course, you're right.  We will hear about it for the next few months.  Not because there's an ounce of meat on this particular bone, but rather because the coup plotters are continuing to attempt to destabilize our government, and un-do legitimate democratic principals in order to protect themselves.

 

Don't help them do it. 

[DC Tom]

I find it interesting that Manafort's being tried for financial fraud because his revenue stream from his pro-Russian Ukrainians dried up in...oh, 2014 or so, before he joined the Trump campaign.  So these charges are predicated on him having no Russian business associations...which runs rather contrary to the idea that he's at all involved in any Russian collusion.

 

Really...the strongest case yet from the Mueller probe is evidence against the purpose of the Mueller probe?  This is what the dingbat left is hanging their hopes on?

[Tiberius]

49 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Would you prefer that I refer to the Clinton Foundation as what it really is: a corrupt criminal pay-to-play scam (otherwise known as a Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization)?

Sure it is, I believe you. 

 

Anyway, Putin still wanted Trump to win and Hillary to lose. He helped Trump. Hillary is the patriot between her and Trump. 

[Kelly101]

46 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sure it is, I believe you. 

 

Anyway, Putin still wanted Trump to win and Hillary to lose. He helped Trump. Hillary is the patriot between her and Trump. 

benghazi. not a patriot. She laughed hysterically at that hearing, was all a big joke to her.

She and all her socialist nazi cohorts hate america, and so do you.

tee hee

Edited August 6, 2018 by Kelly101

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, Kelly101 said:

benghazi. not a patriot. She laughed hysterically at that hearing, was all a big joke to her.

She and all her socialist nazi cohorts hate america, and so do you.

tee hee

Kiss, from Russia with love? 

[/dev/null]

2 hours ago, donbb said:

Rick Gates is taking the witness stand today in Manafort's first trial.

 

Dick Gates sounds like a real c*ck block

[keepthefaith]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

I find it interesting that Manafort's being tried for financial fraud because his revenue stream from his pro-Russian Ukrainians dried up in...oh, 2014 or so, before he joined the Trump campaign.  So these charges are predicated on him having no Russian business associations...which runs rather contrary to the idea that he's at all involved in any Russian collusion.

 

Really...the strongest case yet from the Mueller probe is evidence against the purpose of the Mueller probe?  This is what the dingbat left is hanging their hopes on?

 

Their hanging their hopes on a Manafort conviction of any kind which turns into a gentler sentencing deal for Manafort if at that point he is willing and able to provide some sort of criminal dirt on Trump or the campaign. 

[outsidethebox]

6 hours ago, gatorbait said:

You’re no better than the toolbags on the left, congratulations. Ignore stuff you don’t want to read or believe, ignorant little !@#$boy.

Keep pretending you're a "independent ". I ignore stuff? You ignore all the evidence DR has provided and you still stick to the collusion conspiracy. Either you're a hypocrite or a lieing sack of ****!

[Tiberius]

3 hours ago, westside said:

Keep pretending you're a "independent ". I ignore stuff? You ignore all the evidence DR has provided and you still stick to the collusion conspiracy. Either you're a hypocrite or a lieing sack of ****!

But DR is an idiot, why should anyone believe anything that clown says? 

[Wacka]

4 hours ago, westside said:

Keep pretending you're a "independent ". I ignore stuff? You ignore all the evidence DR has provided and you still stick to the collusion conspiracy. Either you're a hypocrite or a lieing sack of ****!

Why can't he be both?

[snafu]

19 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It is a common practice, you are correct. But if they try to hang Trump Jr with that statute, refer back to my earlier posts regarding Fusion GPS and the DNC. It would open them up to even worse charges in retaliation considering unlike Trump, the DNC paid foreign spies for dossiers and paid journalists to publish stories about said dossiers. By the standard above, that makes the Trump Tower meeting look like jay walking compared to vehicular homicide. 

 

This is why this is a story again rather than a real plank of the Mueller probe. A news story/propaganda can accomplish its mission of tainting Trump without having to bring up the other side of the coin. The fact this story is back in the news, without any new information to support it being back in the news, is because it's an attempt to propagandize, not "inform" the public. 

 

The motives become easier and easier to spot the more they do this. This is round three of this same story... round four will happen around October. 

 

Politically-motivated retaliatory prosecutions isn't a good look for anyone, even if they are well deserved.  It is ironic that if Trump had lost, there probably would be no persecution of his campaign efforts.  There also wouldn't be any light shed on the shenanigans of the prior administration and Hillary's campaign efforts.

 

In my opinion, nobody ought to have the stomach to prosecute the more obvious illegal activity.  Public opinion and voting results would be a better way of handling the reaction to the dirt of the 2016 campaign -- even with what appears to be a mostly biased press tamping down information.  I would also argue that if Trump's administration goes forward with criminal charges against people high enough in Obama's administration, and/or Hillary, and/or the DNC, then he legitimizes any accusation they've made against him as an authoritarian despot.  I can also see a future of never-ending accusations and lawsuits by winners against losers, all with only political motivations.  People need to tread lightly.  Political systems don't take well to "jump conditions". 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

Politically-motivated retaliatory prosecutions isn't a good look for anyone, even if they are well deserved.  It is ironic that if Trump had lost, there probably would be no persecution of his campaign efforts.  There also wouldn't be any light shed on the shenanigans of the prior administration and Hillary's campaign efforts.

 

In my opinion, nobody ought to have the stomach to prosecute the more obvious illegal activity.  Public opinion and voting results would be a better way of handling the reaction to the dirt of the 2016 campaign -- even with what appears to be a mostly biased press tamping down information.  I would also argue that if Trump's administration goes forward with criminal charges against people high enough in Obama's administration, and/or Hillary, and/or the DNC, then he legitimizes any accusation they've made against him as an authoritarian despot.  I can also see a future of never-ending accusations and lawsuits by winners against losers, all with only political motivations.  People need to tread lightly.  Political systems don't take well to "jump conditions". 

 

 

Then you believe that our legal system should provide a shield for the illegal actions of the high and mighty and should only deal with the non powerful among us. In that case, society will no longer exist as it was intended.

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

Politically-motivated retaliatory prosecutions isn't a good look for anyone, even if they are well deserved.  It is ironic that if Trump had lost, there probably would be no persecution of his campaign efforts.  There also wouldn't be any light shed on the shenanigans of the prior administration and Hillary's campaign efforts.

 

In my opinion, nobody ought to have the stomach to prosecute the more obvious illegal activity.  Public opinion and voting results would be a better way of handling the reaction to the dirt of the 2016 campaign -- even with what appears to be a mostly biased press tamping down information.  I would also argue that if Trump's administration goes forward with criminal charges against people high enough in Obama's administration, and/or Hillary, and/or the DNC, then he legitimizes any accusation they've made against him as an authoritarian despot.  I can also see a future of never-ending accusations and lawsuits by winners against losers, all with only political motivations.  People need to tread lightly.  Political systems don't take well to "jump conditions". 

 

So, you're actually arguing in favor of a despotic caste system, under which those in charge are completely insulated from any actual fall out for heinous wrong doing, up to and including suspending the basic fundamental rights of the people the propose to rule by nullifying their right to self determination and subverting their entire form of government?

[Nanker]

I think what he was saying is that it won’t end the war. 

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 minutes ago, Nanker said:

I think what he was saying is that it won’t end the war. 

 

Nothing will end the war in the short term.  Now, with what has been exposed, it has to be fought otherwise we won't have a country.

 

What is important is winning the war in the long term in order that we have a chance to hand our legacy of freedom down to our children.  For that to happen we need to put the gangsters behind bars, otherwise we'll just keep on doing this forever.

[Koko78]

15 hours ago, Kelly101 said:

benghazi. not a patriot. She laughed hysterically at that hearing, was all a big joke to her.

She and all her socialist nazi cohorts hate america, and so do you.

tee hee

 

Tibs thought Benghazi was hilarious, it's no wonder why he's a Hillary fanboy.

 

Though this Hillary-was-actually-a-patriot nonsense is quite entertaining.

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Tibs thought Benghazi was hilarious, it's no wonder why he's a Hillary fanboy.

 

Though this Hillary-was-actually-a-patriot nonsense is quite entertaining.

That's a lie. You are lying about me. 

 

Trump is beholden to Putin, the murderous thug. I'm not a Hillary fan, it's just that me and her are on the side of the USA. Trump, not so much. 

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

That's a lie. You are lying about me. 

 

Trump is beholden to Putin, the murderous thug. I'm not a Hillary fan, it's just that me and her are on the side of the USA. Trump, not so much. 

Awwww...………………..

[Koko78]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

That's a lie. You are lying about me.

 

Yeah... you do understand that your posts didn't just magically go away, right?

 

Oh wait, I forgot who I am talking to. Your posts finding 4 dead Americans hilarious did not go away, you !@#$ing dimwit.

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Yeah... you do understand that your posts didn't just magically go away, right?

 

Oh wait, I forgot who I am talking to. Your posts finding 4 dead Americans hilarious did not go away, you !@#$ing dimwit.

What posts, liar? 

9 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Awwww...………………..

USA! USA! USA!! 

[snafu]

32 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Then you believe that our legal system should provide a shield for the illegal actions of the high and mighty and should only deal with the non powerful among us. In that case, society will no longer exist as it was intended.

 

29 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

So, you're actually arguing in favor of a despotic caste system, under which those in charge are completely insulated from any actual fall out for heinous wrong doing, up to and including suspending the basic fundamental rights of the people the propose to rule by nullifying their right to self determination and subverting their entire form of government?

 

I am saying that this politically motivated, high level, highly public use/abuse of the judicial system needs to be checked before it spirals out of control.  Because (looking into the future a bit) our country is going to have a repeating cycle of political nastiness that we haven't seen before in our lifetimes.  People are already extremely polarized and things won't get less volatile unless quite a bit of restraint is self-imposed.  The match that sets off the powderkeg will be an economic downturn like 2008.  This part of my post:  "Public opinion and voting results would be a better way of handling the reaction to the dirt of the 2016 campaign" (a political solution to a political problem) is the better way of outing -- and ousting -- whatever elements have tainted the system.

 

Pretty simple to me.  Perhaps I could be a bit more clear.

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

What posts, liar? 

USA! USA! USA!! 

Why do you think you are being referred to as "Gleeful Gator"?

[snafu]

33 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Nothing will end the war in the short term.  Now, with what has been exposed, it has to be fought otherwise we won't have a country.

 

What is important is winning the war in the long term in order that we have a chance to hand our legacy of freedom down to our children.  For that to happen we need to put the gangsters behind bars, otherwise we'll just keep on doing this forever.

 

Actually, I agree with this, but my opinion is that we will EXACTLY be doing this forever until one political side eviscerates the other.

 

 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Why do you think you are being referred to as "Gleeful Gator"?

Because you two are a couple of bozos. 

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

 

I am saying that this politically motivated, high level, highly public use/abuse of the judicial system needs to be checked before it spirals out of control.  Because (looking into the future a bit) our country is going to have a repeating cycle of political nastiness that we haven't seen before in our lifetimes.  People are already extremely polarized and things won't get less volatile unless quite a bit of restraint is self-imposed.  The match that sets off the powderkeg will be an economic downturn like 2008.  This part of my post:  "Public opinion and voting results would be a better way of handling the reaction to the dirt of the 2016 campaign" (a political solution to a political problem) is the better way of outing -- and ousting -- whatever elements have tainted the system.

 

Pretty simple to me.  Perhaps I could be a bit more clear.

 

 

 

No, you've been clear enough. There are many culprits in the effort to subvert our government via coup. If it goes unpunished then it is only inviting it again.

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Because you two are a couple of bozos. 

WARNING! Your deflector shield has reached the extent of its life. It is no longer effective and any attempt to use it may cause harm to your person.

[snafu]

10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

No, you've been clear enough. There are many culprits in the effort to subvert our government via coup. If it goes unpunished then it is only inviting it again.

 

I see that side, I do.

On the other hand, I'm just seeing a Pandora's Box.  I don't trust politicians (or their supporters) to maintain the 2016 campaign in its own capsule.  I think (again, this is just my opinion) that is is better to shed sunlight on it and let the public decide at the polls.  I think the voting public is honest enough to figure out who to keep out of office, and I think that if the recrimination/reprisal cycle gets too bad, then the only candidates we will ever have will make Clinton/Trump look like a good choice/ comparatively speaking. And that's the most hopeful outcome.  It could get much worse.

 

Or let me put it another way:  sometimes, you've got to eat **** to keep the peace.

 

 

Edited August 7, 2018 by snafu

[Buffalo_Gal]

Did Judge Ellis make the Special Counsel lawyer cry???

Judge: "There's tears in your eyes right now."
Govt: "There are not tears in my eyes, Judge."
Judge: "Well, they're watery."

 

 

[donbb]

 

[row_33]

all of these frauds were committed while Manafort was working with Podesta?

 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

all of these frauds were committed while Manafort was working with Podesta?

 

 

 

Yes. While both men's companies were working for the same UkrainAn oligarch. 

 

But this trial is about Trump. ?  (Why the work we have been doing here is so helpful to seeing through the bs spin) 

 

This is also what the SDNY is looking into Tony two shoes for this moment. 

[njbuff]

5 minutes ago, donbb said:

 

 

Mueller's service to his country has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with what's going on right now.

 

Wasting 25 million dollars of tax payers money is putting a stain on his legacy. It's just the facts.

[Tiberius]

Trump claiming to want to drain the swamp hired Gates, Manafort and Flynn?? Fraud all around 

[donbb]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Trump claiming to want to drain the swamp hired Gates, Manafort and Flynn?? Fraud all around 

 

Don't forget Wilbur Ross.