snafu Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 From our side, how this played out is awkward and clunky Hopefully behind the scenes there were things that make it more logical but I think there's genuine reason to be skeptical about where we stand and what's upcoming potentially Three key words: awkward, clunky, skeptical. I don't trust the process if Pegula is at all involved in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 No it doesnt. There is entirely logical reasons to both our picks. It didnt take a genius to think the Panthers wanted a WR or OT, you can get that off about a million draft preview sites showing team needs. And we got the best WR and OT prospects left. There's a difference between saying that something is certain and that something looks bad. I'm saying the latter. If the Panthers had jumped the Bills twice in this draft for two players that we intended to draft right after those picks and then almost immediately hired our assistant GM to be their GM, you wouldn't think anything was fishy? You'd be cool with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Wow! This was a house cleaning... Did we fire the entire scouting staff? Or just the head scouts/directors etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 If McDermott is as good as Belichick none of us will care. It's way too early to know either way, and he started out as a scout so there is some background there. That's kind of setting the expectations a bit high isn't it ? We need McD to be a very good HC and that will be light years ahead of what we've seen in the last decade.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 And your evidence is? Go on.... Evidence of what ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 @NewsRadio930 Terry Pegula press conference on firing of Doug Whaley http://www.wben.com/media/audio-channel/bills-fire-doug-whaley-terry-pegula-press-conference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Amy Trask's response on Rusty: Albert BreerVerified account @AlbertBreer 21m21 minutes ago Bills owner Terry Pegula asked if team president Russ Brandon will be part of GM search: "If we need to ask Russ questions, we'll ask him." Amy TraskVerified account @AmyTrask 59s60 seconds ago Yikes - and, hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 ✔@AdamSchefter Bills' HC Sean McDermott had taken over this team in every way. Doug Whaley had been phased out, well before today. Now it's just official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Pegula to the FO this morning...Great job guys. We are receiving a lot of kudos regarding our draft AND we have an extra 1st in 2018. So in closing...you're all FIRED. You will be escorted by security out of the building. Thank you...I love you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 There's a difference between saying that something is certain and that something looks bad. I'm saying the latter. If the Panthers had jumped the Bills twice in this draft for two players that we intended to draft right after those picks and then almost immediately hired our assistant GM to be their GM, you wouldn't think anything was fishy? You'd be cool with that? Yup - it would be a bad look to race into hiring him without a credible search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Two teams, 0 GMs ; 1 coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 ✔@AdamSchefter Bills' HC Sean McDermott had taken over this team in every way. Doug Whaley had been phased out, well before today. Now it's just official. Two notes: I'm curious the timeline of that based on a few decisions/moves in the offseason I'm very worried that the hugely positive draft coverage is going to give pegula too much confidence in him and turn over too much power to the guy too fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 yes, for this team and its fans such as me. Who despite this idiocy, still remain fans. Happy ? How did you not know this was coming? Carucci reported an ultimatum. Rex gets fired as soon as they were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Whaley burned Pegula on the Rex hiring. Whaley is kept around until the draft was over. They were warned.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 There's a difference between saying that something is certain and that something looks bad. I'm saying the latter. If the Panthers had jumped the Bills twice in this draft for two players that we intended to draft right after those picks and then almost immediately hired our assistant GM to be their GM, you wouldn't think anything was fishy? You'd be cool with that? It looks bad if you are desperately trying to find a reason to find an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Pegula to the FO this morning...Great job guys. We are receiving a lot of kudos regarding our draft AND we have an extra 1st in 2018. So in closing...you're all FIRED. You will be escorted by security out of the building. Thank you...I love you all. But you have to admit, it's a very Billsy thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I believe the word you are looking for is sober. I'd love it if he's sober. Id not be a fan if he's doing another run at moderation. I trust Washington's front office less than any other front office. I believe they threw him under the bus. He is a respected talent evaluator across the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 How did you not know this was coming? Carucci reported an ultimatum. Rex gets fired as soon as they were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Whaley burned Pegula on the Rex hiring. Whaley is kept around until the draft was over. They were warned.... Did I not just apologize for disagreeing with the ones who said this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Evidence of what ? Evidence of any wrongdoing. Specifically tampering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 It looks bad if you are desperately trying to find a reason to find an issue. Or if you can apply logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) Still processing all of this. Pegula hired/retained/fired two green GMs (Whaley and Murray) who were, essentially, scouting experts, not team-builders or CEOs. He gave those GMs undefined roles and thrust coaches on them who were not qualified and with whom they did not get along. These were recipes for failure. So in both instances, the firings seem a bit unfair. That all said, wrt Whaley, this almost had to happen. Even though he may have been set up to fail, he did not do himself many favors by butting heads with two successive coaching staffs and by taking the wrong risks at the wrong time. Some of it was bad luck (injuries to Sammy and Ragland) and some of it was just plain ill-advised. To me, it wasn't the QB issue that doomed him, it was coming out of last year's draft with absolutely NO HELP for the 2016 roster. Yes there was bad luck involved but it was also not the year to spend two picks on players known to be injured (Listenbee and Shaq). Getting three players poached by the Patriots in two years (and having to fill those holes through the draft) was also a black mark on his tenure. And I'll say it again, regardless of whose fault it was, the lack of short-term and longer-term strategic planning was clear to outside observers. Time will tell if they've now got it right. Pegula may be a kinder version of Dan Snyder or he may finally have learned how to run a sports franchise. We'll just have to see. EDIT: I'll add that horizontal power structures, which Pegula professes to prefer, lend themselves to political infighting. We've seen evidence of that with both the Sabres and Bills (LaFontaine; Brandon). Pegula needs to get that sh- under control and weed out the snakes or neither franchise is going anywhere. Edited April 30, 2017 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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