oldmanfan Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 When the chart values are brought up to Polian he laughs and says no one pays attention to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 That may be how you do it but it doesn't make any sense in real life. This isn't time value of money. For a team that's competing in 2017, yes, that matters. For a rebuilding team, you could argue that 2018 first round pick might be more valuable. Everything is time value of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Watch out for the Bucs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 GOSH BUCS got OJ Howard. Now I don't want to face them this coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 @john_wawrow Adding a 2nd 1st-round pick provides #Bills a valuable asset should they decide to address a need at QB in what could be a QB-heavy class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Everything is time value of money Well then, with current interest rates it's a way lower discount than when the chart was conceived in the 80s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Watch out for the Bucs! Man my analysis showed that Bucs have been drafting really well last 5 years and they finally made a turn up onfield last year. with all the pieces they got this summer, they are gonna be scary offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 GOSH BUCS got OJ Howard. Now I don't want to face them this coming season. Didn't have to could have been ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Well then, with current interest rates it's a way lower discount than when the chart was conceived in the 80s Still a discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 That may be how you do it but it doesn't make any sense in real life. This isn't time value of money. For a team that's competing in 2017, yes, that matters. For a rebuilding team, you could argue that 2018 first round pick might be more valuable. Omg, no! It is how it works. Like with the Watkins trade, when the Bills could have either traded their 1&2 or that years 1 and the next year's one to move up. I don't get how folks ITT are trying to value a next year's 1st as one for this year. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 GOSH BUCS got OJ Howard. Now I don't want to face them this coming season. The Bucs could make the playoffs in the NBA if they were in the eastern conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Still a discount. Haha. Ok. If you discount at the FY 1 year inflation rate that's about a 1.0% discount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 GOSH BUCS got OJ Howard. Now I don't want to face them this coming season. It sucks watching teams like Tampa clearly pass the Bills in fielding a playoff competitive team. Upswing vs. downswing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 lol at ANY fan who thinks they know what any QB will do in the NFL. It's absurd with only 30 seconds of thought. The NFL is worth BILLIONS. If you knew which QB's would be successful in any draft you would be filthy, filthy rich. So, please. Just stop with the nonsense. Imagine the bandwidth savings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 You're doing it wrong. You need to discount the 2018 #27 by a round. #10 - 1300 #27 - 680 (2017) #91 - 136 (2017) #27 - 310 (2018) TOTAL - 1126 Bills should have gotten a 2018 2nd of 2018 3rd to balance. We're sacrificing a little bit of value for more personnel. This team has a lot of holes to fill. There's also very little room for the Chiefs to improve, and a ton of room for them to drop which would only benefit us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 What this trade down tells me is that the 1 or 2 guys (Mike Williams, Corey Davis) that they wanted were gone by the time they picked. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The Bucs could make the playoffs in the NBA if they were in the eastern conference. The Bucks made the NBA playoffs this year, but are out now......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Omg, no! It is how it works. Like with the Watkins trade, when the Bills could have either traded their 1&2 or that years 1 and the next year's one to move up. I don't get how folks ITT are trying to value a next year's 1st as one for this year. Crazy. Admittedly I don't know a whole lot about the value chart, but why would the same pick in the same round next year be worth half the value of this years? Next year, would we say "Gee, I wish we used this 1st round pick last year, its worth half of these other 1st round picks"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The Bills will now have 3 of the first 33 picks next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The Bucks made the NBA playoffs this year, but are out now......... Greek freak! I meant Winston's Bucs! He is going to put up some serious numbers this season. They also added Djax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Omg, no! It is how it works. Like with the Watkins trade, when the Bills could have either traded their 1&2 or that years 1 and the next year's one to move up. I don't get how folks ITT are trying to value a next year's 1st as one for this year. Crazy. ITT? Ha. Sure thing guy. Scroll up and learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Admittedly I don't know a whole lot about the value chart, but why would the same pick in the same round next year be worth half the value of this years? Next year, would we say "Gee, I wish we used this 1st round pick last year, its worth half of these other 1st round picks"? Because you won't get the benefit of having that player play this season, he's not worth the same amount today as the player who will play this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) Edit: Oops - wrong thread for a bolles comment Edited April 28, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Admittedly I don't know a whole lot about the value chart, but why would the same pick in the same round next year be worth half the value of this years? Next year, would we say "Gee, I wish we used this 1st round pick last year, its worth half of these other 1st round picks"? Because you have no idea where that pick will be next year or what kind of draft class next year will be. Every year everybody here will tell you we need to wait til next year to pick a QB because that draft class will be better, then when it comes we will here how no one is good and waiti til next year cause that class will be better Its valued lower because its more of an unknown, the pick could end up being top 5 or top 10, or could be bottom 5 of the round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 lol at ANY fan who thinks they know what any QB will do in the NFL. It's absurd with only 30 seconds of thought. The NFL is worth BILLIONS. If you knew which QB's would be successful in any draft you would be filthy, filthy rich. So, please. Just stop with the nonsense. Very well said. It amazes me the people who say with such certainty that a college QB prospect will be some elite franchise guy. NFL teams spend $100's of thousands of dollars and countless man hours (between multiple professional scouts, GMs, front office execs etc who all do this for a living) evaluating these players, and yet every year we see so many of these teams miss and the QBs bust. Nobody knows anything for certain about these QBs. If they did, they'd be very rich, like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Because you won't get the benefit of having that player play this season, he's not worth the same amount today as the player who will play this year I guess, but you still get 5 years out of both players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Because you won't get the benefit of having that player play this season, he's not worth the same amount today as the player who will play this year this too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Did he just say his son will always remember tonight? Baby Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) That may be how you do it but it doesn't make any sense in real life. This isn't time value of money. For a team that's competing in 2017, yes, that matters. For a rebuilding team, you could argue that 2018 first round pick might be more valuable.Go run the numbers on NFL trades. Discounting future picks is how it is done on real NFL trades by actual NFL teams and actual NFL GMs. Fans like you can justify your team making poortrade value trades. That doesn't change the fact that actual NFL GMs actually discount the value of future picks. Edited April 28, 2017 by 1B4IDie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbonehawaii Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 They have all the ammunition they need to land a legit blue chip QB prospect next year. BOOM yep by guaranteeing we will be picking in the top 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) I'd start working the phone hard for foster with that extra 3. I think he's the last of the ledge for that tier of player (though not a HUGE drop) Edited April 28, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 maybe Bills go OL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Go run the numbers on NFL trades. Discounting future picks are how it is done on real NFL trades by actual NFL teams and actual NFL GMs. Fans like you can justify your team making. as trade value trades. That doesn't change the fact that actual NFL GMs actually discount the value of future picks. SMH. If you really think that GMs in 2017 use the same value chart they did back in the 80s and 90s then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying it doesn't factor in, but things have evolved a bit since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Excellent Love it. Building a dynasty baby!!!! Cb I'm thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The Bucs could make the playoffs in the NBA if they were in the eastern conference. I think they will make the playoffs this year. or come very close to it. It sucks watching teams like Tampa clearly pass the Bills in fielding a playoff competitive team. Upswing vs. downswing. Yeah. they have been sucking for a while but their scouting group's been doing the job so now they got talent to win across the board. And are very young and likely all under cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 You're doing it wrong. You need to discount the 2018 #27 by a round. #10 - 1300 #27 - 680 (2017) #91 - 136 (2017) #27 - 310 (2018) TOTAL - 1126 Bills should have gotten a 2018 2nd of 2018 3rd to balance. I had never heard that. May I ask where you learned that? I've always read that next year's draft picks are valued roughly the same as this year's. Even the draft value chart I have says that right on the top - http://www.newerascouting.com/nfl-draft-trade-value-chart/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkgobills Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Zay Jones WR from ECU might be our target at 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I just landed from a flight and turned on SiriusNFLRadio as these guys were talking about the trade. Gil Brandt said there isn't much difference between #10 and #27 this year and called it a great trade. Good enough for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 (edited) I had never heard that. May I ask where you learned that? I've always read that next year's draft picks are valued roughly the same as this year's. Even the draft value chart I have says that right on the top - http://www.newerascouting.com/nfl-draft-trade-value-chart/ That's the first place I've ever seen say that (outside fans on message boards) Discount a round is by far the standard talking point on all major sources Edited April 28, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I had never heard that. May I ask where you learned that? I've always read that next year's draft picks are valued roughly the same as this year's. Even the draft value chart I have says that right on the top - http://www.newerascouting.com/nfl-draft-trade-value-chart/ It's pretty standard. SMH. If you really think that GMs in 2017 use the same value chart they did back in the 80s and 90s then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying it doesn't factor in, but things have evolved a bit since then.It is math. It is not some type of opinion you can debate. Run the actual numbers in the 2016 draft. Run the actual numbers in the 9ers trade. Oh - wow actual GMs in 2017 use the chart. shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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