PABillsfan23 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Nice player but he's not going to make or break next season. Buffalo isn't matching this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2015 Karlos Williams had 5.6 yards per carry behind Shady 2016 Mike Gillislee had 5.7 yards per carry behind Shady How do we expect to miss the playoffs for the 18th year without a 5 yd per carry backup? They're clearly vital to the success of this team and extremely rare! Well, unless you ignore the 2015 and 2016 Bills who did it with completely different players both obtained cheaply through different means by Doug Whaley. Also, if the Pats 5th is really their 6th, why the hell would we want that? What the hell have the Pats ever done with thier 6th round pick? Waste... Actually MG averaged 5.7 ypa in 2015 AND 2016. It's not like they alternated as Shady's backup. The two of them did what they did on 250+ carries combined in 2015=2016.......which is well over a full season of work for McCoy these days. When Shady was injured while sulking thru the Redskins game in 2015.....from there on out Karlos and MG still ran for the same ypa from there thru the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 They basically said they'd rather have a 5th rd pick rather than a backup rb for 1 season. Fair trade to me. Gillislee wasn't isnt going to win us a super bowl this year: Not sure any player we have is winning us a Superbowl, that's not the way I look at it. The running game was a big part of our scoring system, and TD Mike was a significant part of that. The best #2 back in the league. Shady needs breathers and we never lost a beat with Mike. Watch the 2nd Miami game this year he was the reason we were even in it. Fastest man on the field by far. McDermott said he's a believer in running the ball, yet we just let a very good value guy walk for a million bucks per year. Do you think Jonathan Williams will be half the producer Mike was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Not sure any player we have is winning us a Superbowl, that's not the way I look at it. The running game was a big part of our scoring system, and TD Mike was a significant part of that. The best #2 back in the league. Shady needs breathers and we never lost a beat with Mike. Watch the 2nd Miami game this year he was the reason we were even in it. Fastest man on the field by far. McDermott said he's a believer in running the ball, yet we just let a very good value guy walk for a million bucks per year. Do you think Jonathan Williams will be half the producer Mike was? . Half? Easily. As good? Maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsurdam Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) Whaley just has to show Bellichick he has the balls to match the offer. WE CAN NOT LET HIM GO TO THE CHEATERS !!!! Edited April 19, 2017 by gsurdam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Not sure any player we have is winning us a Superbowl, that's not the way I look at it. The running game was a big part of our scoring system, and TD Mike was a significant part of that. The best #2 back in the league. Shady needs breathers and we never lost a beat with Mike. Watch the 2nd Miami game this year he was the reason we were even in it. Fastest man on the field by far. McDermott said he's a believer in running the ball, yet we just let a very good value guy walk for a million bucks per year. Do you think Jonathan Williams will be half the producer Mike was? He hasnt walked yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 When he gets released since they have 6 RBs we can bring him back. Whaley gets ripped for this but absolute silence in keeping Groy, who arguably might be more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Yea, I'm not feeling great about this year. It has the feeling of the type of season that really needs us to get all the bounces, most of the 50-50 calls, and have a few key guys play above their normal level to be a playoff contender. All possible, and we see teams get lucky but I'm not counting on it either I hope McDermott isn't one of those Greggo Williams types that thinks he's going to impose his will on opposing teams then loses the team when the reality sinks in that the players on the field win the games. Not a fan of letting a coach start off with lesser talent than the year prior........the message gets lost pretty fast when a new coach gets to losin'. Didn't really care for the players the Bills chose in FA/trade when they first hired Rex.......but it was refreshing to me to see ownership realize the importance of giving a new HC what he needs to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I have no idea what is going on; this was just a fail. It isn't a fail because the Pats signed him despite what some here think. It's a fail because they had a chance to keep him for next to nothing and they dropped the ball. How much do running backs get in trades? One of the moves I hated most by Whaley was the Brown trade. It was a terrible over pay. Getting a 5th rounder for a backup RB is a solid trade. Also, how much do we want to invest in the rb position? I know our qb can't throw well but between McCoy and MG, that's a huge chunk of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Signing both players with the higher tender was clearly the smarter choice. Hogan was a JAG. No team would have tendered him at the 2nd round level. And no one had an inkling that the Cheaters would sign him to a $4M/year deal, which the Bills could have matched if they wanted. As for MG, they can still match his deal, again, if they want to. Actually MG averaged 5.7 ypa in 2015 AND 2016. It's not like they alternated as Shady's backup. The two of them did what they did on 250+ carries combined in 2015=2016.......which is well over a full season of work for McCoy these days. When Shady was injured while sulking thru the Redskins game in 2015.....from there on out Karlos and MG still ran for the same ypa from there thru the end of the season. KW averaged 4.25 YPG and MG average 3.67 YPG after that Redskins game. Both were under Shady's season average of 4.4 YPG, and they were healthy unlike Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 we will match Exaclty what they want us to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) Hogan was a JAG. No team would have tendered him at the 2nd round level. And no one had an inkling that the Cheaters would sign him to a $4M/year deal, which the Bills could have matched if they wanted. As for MG, they can still match his deal, again, if they want to. KW averaged 4.25 YPG and MG average 3.67 YPG after that Redskins game. Both were under Shady's season average of 4.4 YPG, and they were healthy unlike Shady. You can shout this until you're blue in the face, but it isn't an argument. Signing MG and Hogan to the higher round tender would've ensured we kept them for peanuts, $700k and $1M extra for one season. Instead we lost them for nothing, and a 5th rounder. When the whole point of tendering a player is to keep them. Edited April 19, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Exaclty what they want us to do. who cares? He is more important to us then he is to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Why would we tell patriots we aren't matching until we have to? Reports that we aren't matching are BS in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 How much do running backs get in trades? One of the moves I hated most by Whaley was the Brown trade. It was a terrible over pay. Getting a 5th rounder for a backup RB is a solid trade. Also, how much do we want to invest in the rb position? I know our qb can't throw well but between McCoy and MG, that's a huge chunk of change. Given the offense....worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Hogan was a JAG. No team would have tendered him at the 2nd round level. And no one had an inkling that the Cheaters would sign him to a $4M/year deal, which the Bills could have matched if they wanted. As for MG, they can still match his deal, again, if they want to. KW averaged 4.25 YPG and MG average 3.67 YPG after that Redskins game. Both were under Shady's season average of 4.4 YPG, and they were healthy unlike Shady. I'm not going to number check your stats, but who cares. The season was beyond done by that point (after the Redskins game). It was done when they lost to Philly. MG did show show his "talent" on the long TD run against the Cowboys to finish the game. Homerun speed that consistently turns the corner. That said, it was all "preseason" football at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Bills would be stupid to match. Back up RB are a dime a dozen. Let's be honest here, there was a significant drop off when Gilly had to be the starter. The reason why he was so effective was because McCoy did the real damage. I am fine with Jonathon Williams being the back up, and bringing in another RB off the street to compete. Our o line is good enough to plug most any back up RB in there. BB doesn't want Gilly, he just wants to screw the Bills. Don't fall for his nonsense. just any RB 'off the street'? What does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 How much do running backs get in trades? One of the moves I hated most by Whaley was the Brown trade. It was a terrible over pay. Getting a 5th rounder for a backup RB is a solid trade. Also, how much do we want to invest in the rb position? I know our qb can't throw well but between McCoy and MG, that's a huge chunk of change. Eagles got a 4th for Bryce Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) He's missed 10 games over his 8 seasons. Show me a RB that hasn't missed at least as many. okay man, you win. he has no history of injuries. as a matter of fact, he likely will play in to his 40's, never seeing another injury. see, that makes about as much sense as you saying he has no history of injuries. with that said, I ride off into the sunset with a little ripple to drift off to... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wh7ylJManI Edited April 19, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Given the offense....worth it If there's anything to be embarrassed about it, it's being a run first offense in a league that begs you to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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