Sources: Chasm between Bills coaches, front office on Tyrod

[Wayne Arnold]

He should've been fired after the season.

 

Again Pegula for whatever reason didn't pull the trigger. Seems like he doesn't learn from mistakes.

 

He learned half of his mistake by firing Rex. Whaley is next. Only delaying the inevitable by keeping him around.

[JohnC]

Especially when the chef reports directly to and has the ear of the restaurant owner.

 

Bottom line is if Whaley doesn't agree with McD, so be it. But if he's gonna squawk and be unprofessional about it, and there's no reason to think he would at this point, then he'll be fired.

With respect to the highlighted area your statement is what my point is. If there is a disagreement between the GM and the HC on this critical issue and the HC's position prevails that is a clear indication that the GM's authority has been eroded.

 

Where I disagree with you is if the GM believes that a player is not worth his contract then it should be the responsibility of the GM to make the final determination. Of course the GM is going to consult with the HC but in normal circumstances the GM has the final say on the roster while the HC determines how to use the roster.

 

If that is the setup here where the HC's view trumps the GM's view on who should be on the roster then it is inevitably going to be a cause of friction. I'm not talking about the normal discussions on personnel matter that include disagreements but the on the key issue of who has the final say in assembling the roster.

 

My point is simply if this setup as described is true I find it very troubling.

[Hurricane]

La Canfora has been absolutely awful. No two ways about it.

 

That being said, I don't want a room full of agreeing higher ups. Mcdermott touched on that sentiment the other day.

 

However, there needs to be some sort of semblance with what is going to be done at the single most important position.

I usually believe things are a done deal when reported by Schefter and Rappaport.. Lacanfora is far behind them..

[26CornerBlitz]

LaConjecture!

[Crosscut100]

"I bet you thought I was gone....well guess again"

 

I didn't know Tim "the tool man" Taylor was in the Bills front office.

[DrDawkinstein]

Sal was on WGR earlier and blew this story out of the water. Went so far as to say he doesnt believe or trust anything LaCanfora reports. It was surprising to hear someone call out another member of the media that badly.

 

I agree wtih Sal. LaConjecture just needs BS to print and get clicks. This is more garbage during a time when there is very little real news.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

"Chasm exists between handler or K balls and Dan Carpenter!" - Film at 11.

 

 

Sources: Chasm between reality, LaConforta on Bills news...

[BarleyNY]

Who says Whaley hired the coach?

 

The other option is that Pegula hired a HC that disagrees with his GM regarding Taylor. Again, that makes no sense.

[K-9]

With respect to the highlighted area your statement is what my point is. If there is a disagreement between the GM and the HC on this critical issue and the HC's position prevails that is a clear indication that the GM's authority has been eroded.

 

Where I disagree with you is if the GM believes that a player is not worth his contract then it should be the responsibility of the GM to make the final determination. Of course the GM is going to consult with the HC but in normal circumstances the GM has the final say on the roster while the HC determines how to use the roster.

 

If that is the setup here where the HC's view trumps the GM's view on who should be on the roster then it is inevitably going to be a cause of friction. I'm not talking about the normal discussions on personnel matter that include disagreements but the on the key issue of who has the final say in assembling the roster.

 

My point is simply if this setup as described is true I find it very troubling.

 

The relationship is only eroded if one can't abide by the decision and acts in an unprofessional manner as a result. There is absolutely nothing at all to suggest Whaley can't get along with McDermott and freely acquiesce to his decision on TT. A decision, as I mentioned earlier, Whaley had no problem in deferring to a new head coach when the season concluded.

[SectionC3]

The other option is that Pegula hired a HC that disagrees with his GM regarding Taylor. Again, that makes no sense.

Your premise is that what lacanfora reported is untrue because (a) it came from lacanfora and (b) it is not possible that Whaley and McDermott are not in lockstep re the QB in early March because Whaley hired McDermott in early to mid-January. Could it be that pegula hired the hc (don't they both report directly to pegula?) with the understanding that McDermott would study Taylor and participate in a collaborative decision making process with Whaley regarding taylor's future? If so, isn't it possible that mcdermott's film study led him to a conclusion (keep Taylor) different from that reached by whaley (move on from Taylor)?

 

Frankly I would be surprised if McDermott had a strong opinion on Taylor during the interview process bc it's unlikely mcd had the chance to study Taylor before that time. The most obvious answer for mcd to give during the process is that he needed to review the film. If that's the case, it's entirely possible that, following film study, he feels differently from Whaley in this isssue.

Edited March 4, 2017 by SectionC3

[racketmaster]

Curious as to what McD and/or Dennison have said to indicate they'd like to keep Taylor.

Nothing concrete, just a few clues.(1) there were some reports from Baltimore that Tyrod and Dennison had a good relationship and Kubiak praised Taylor for picking up his system (2) when Kubiak goes to Denver he tries signing Tyrod in FA, (3) after Manning retires reports surfaced in Denver again that Denver was interested in trading for Tyrod at the draft last year.

 

Based on the above, it seems clear to me that Kubiak liked Tyrod a good deal. I look at Kubiak and Dennison as one in the same as they have been together for so long. Denver went after Tyrod twice when Dennison was OC there, he must have been on same page with Kubiak.

 

Now if you believe all that, McDermott goes ahead and hires an OC that has worked with Tyrod and likes him as a QB. He knows what Dennison thinks about tyrod during their interviews. McDermott must have agreed with Dennison's assessment of tyrod or else he does not hire him. To me it is clear that Whaley wants to move on (seems to be enamored by Cardale) and the HC and OC would like to keep Tyrod. Again, this all seems pretty logical but it is still just guess work.

[Wayne Arnold]

With respect to the highlighted area your statement is what my point is. If there is a disagreement between the GM and the HC on this critical issue and the HC's position prevails that is a clear indication that the GM's authority has been eroded.

 

Where I disagree with you is if the GM believes that a player is not worth his contract then it should be the responsibility of the GM to make the final determination. Of course the GM is going to consult with the HC but in normal circumstances the GM has the final say on the roster while the HC determines how to use the roster.

 

If that is the setup here where the HC's view trumps the GM's view on who should be on the roster then it is inevitably going to be a cause of friction. I'm not talking about the normal discussions on personnel matter that include disagreements but the on the key issue of who has the final say in assembling the roster.

 

My point is simply if this setup as described is true I find it very troubling.

 

If McDermott and his coaching staff want Tyrod to be the quarterback and Whaley is pushing back then Whaley is being an ass. That's the bottom line.

[Domdab99]

The whole front office needs to go. They needed to go 3 years ago.

[K-9]

Nothing concrete, just a few clues.(1) there were some reports from Baltimore that Tyrod and Dennison had a good relationship and Kubiak praised Taylor for picking up his system (2) when Kubiak goes to Denver he tries signing Tyrod in FA, (3) after Manning retires reports surfaced in Denver again that Denver was interested in trading for Tyrod at the draft last year.

Based on the above, it seems clear to me that Kubiak liked Tyrod a good deal. I look at Kubiak and Dennison as one in the same as they have been together for so long. Denver went after Tyrod twice when Dennison was OC there, he must have been on same page with Kubiak.

Now if you believe all that, McDermott goes ahead and hires an OC that has worked with Tyrod and likes him as a QB. He knows what Dennison thinks about tyrod during their interviews. McDermott must have agreed with Dennison's assessment of tyrod or else he does not hire him. To me it is clear that Whaley wants to move on (seems to be enamored by Cardale) and the HC and OC would like to keep Tyrod. Again, this all seems pretty logical but it is still just guess work.

Nothing concrete, just a few clues.(1) there were some reports from Baltimore that Tyrod and Dennison had a good relationship and Kubiak praised Taylor for picking up his system (2) when Kubiak goes to Denver he tries signing Tyrod in FA, (3) after Manning retires reports surfaced in Denver again that Denver was interested in trading for Tyrod at the draft last year.

Based on the above, it seems clear to me that Kubiak liked Tyrod a good deal. I look at Kubiak and Dennison as one in the same as they have been together for so long. Denver went after Tyrod twice when Dennison was OC there, he must have been on same page with Kubiak.

Now if you believe all that, McDermott goes ahead and hires an OC that has worked with Tyrod and likes him as a QB. He knows what Dennison thinks about tyrod during their interviews. McDermott must have agreed with Dennison's assessment of tyrod or else he does not hire him. To me it is clear that Whaley wants to move on (seems to be enamored by Cardale) and the HC and OC would like to keep Tyrod. Again, this all seems pretty logical but it is still just guess work.

Great points and nicely laid out. Makes a ton of sense.

 

The thing I can't get past is if Whaley is so steadfast in his belief that TT has to go as has been rumored since the Pittsburgh game, then why didn't he pull the chord the day after the season ended? Instead he deferred the decision to whomever the new HC would be. And for good reason because that makes the most sense.

 

If Whaley was handcuffed by his superiors and not allowed to cut TT and he isn't happy about that, then he won't be here much longer. There is just no evidence of that being the case though.

[John from Riverside]

Great points and nicely laid out. Makes a ton of sense.

 

The thing I can't get past is if Whaley is so steadfast in his belief that TT has to go as has been rumored since the Pittsburgh game, then why didn't he pull the chord the day after the season ended? Instead he deferred the decision to whomever the new HC would be. And for good reason because that makes the most sense.

 

If Whaley was handcuffed by his superiors and not allowed to cut TT and he isn't happy about that, then he won't be here much longer. There is just no evidence of that being the case though.

It has to be the contract....maybe Whaley thought he could get TT to redo it and is encountering resistance

[Turk71]

It has to be the contract....maybe Whaley thought he could get TT to redo it and is encountering resistance

Ironic when you consider the extension was unnecessary at the time and Whaley is the one who wrote it.

[DefenseWins]

Cmon folks... It's one thing to say that a new coach will "have input" into who his QB will be. In the end though the GM makes the final call on who will be on the roster. I am no fan of Whaley. I think he made a terrible decision trading for and drafting Watkins. But this is the way it has to be. That is the job of the GM - to make and be held responsible for the future of the team. I think that Whaley deferred to Rex when he brought in TT. I think Rex was the driving force that brought TT to the Bills in the first place. My guess is that like many of us fans, Rex knew from the start that EJ was not going to cut it and wanted a QB who he thought he had the best chance to win with. Now that Rex is gone, Whaley is probably convinced after seeing TT's play that he is NOT the answer and it is time to move on. Once you determine that, it would be foolish to pay TT $15 million per year when you can draft a youngster who can hopefully grow into the kind of QB this team needs and at a much cheaper salary. In the meantime you pick up a cheaper "bridge QB" to hold the seat warm for the youngster. Most, if not all QB's being drafted these days, are not ready to start on day one. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't draft one just because it will take time to develop him...

[CommonCents]

So we hammer Whaley when he wants to take the short term reload and win now decisions and when he wants to step back and look big picture we hammer him.

I have been hammering his patch work approach for awhile now, I'm fine with the Bills taking a step back but is Whaley the guy to lead that movement? Do the Pegula's have the patience and discipline to let the coach and gm figuere it out? Lots of questions and no certain answers. They are good at doing one thing...keeping it interesting. My biggest hope is that Terry and Kim admitted fault with the Rex hire and are going to change their approach forward.

[8-8 Forever?]

Makes sense that they are divided. there is no clear cut decision... TT's pretty good, the new coach dreads starting over with a FA or rookie in his first year. The GM is being rational. The owner is closer to the coach he just hired, etc. This will be a mess. Pegs is meddling, just like Snyder does down here in DC . could be some disfunction here, no surprise there. Should have hired ALynn and and the Jax HC for DC, kept TT and been done with it. But no, lets blow it up and..... 3 more years of suck

[folz]

maybe it's just me..but you'd think they would have established a plan and everyone got their opinions out and agreed upon when they hired Seany McD. All this speculation is the media just being the media.

 

7th post of this thread, astb41 nailed it.

 

Does anyone really think that QB wasn't the very first issue they talked to McDermott about once his interview focused on the Bills team and players? If Coach had such a differing opinion on Tyrod from the FO, why would they hire him? They wouldn't. They would find a coach who shared their same vision. What could have happened in the 7 weeks since McDermott was hired to make them no longer agree? Just because they haven't announced anything to the public doesn't mean that they haven't already made their decision, nor does it mean that they are fighting over the decision. Pure speculation.