IDBillzFan Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 5 hours ago, B-Man said: Media coordinate with each other to battle Trump by Eddie Scarry Original Article Nice to see the media no longer needs to use Journo List to coordinate their efforts against the country. They're just doing it in the open now. Much easier to spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, bbb said: I actually didn't know that Shepard Smith and Don Lemon were gay. How could you not know that those two were flaming fudge packers? I knew it the second I saw their faces and it was confirmed the second they opened their mouths. But in all fairness, we have the ability to change the channel when they are on the airwaves if we don’t like them. America offers us great freedoms and one of them is the ability to never hear a word those two gay men say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: How could you not know that those two were flaming fudge packers? I knew it the second I saw their faces and it was confirmed the second they opened their mouths. But in all fairness, we have the ability to change the channel when they are on the airwaves if we don’t like them. America offers us great freedoms and one of them is the ability to never hear a word those two gay men say. Why does anyone care who they like to !@#$? Seriously. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Why does anyone care who they like to !@#$? Seriously. Why? I could care less, I just point out the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, njbuff said: I could care less, I just point out the facts. bull ****. It's not relevant to anything. Knock it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Why does anyone care who they like to !@#$? Seriously. Why? Jesus. Because, the great book of fairy tales foretold about a carpenter sent by the sky fairy that it was bad. Also said gluttony is a sin and so is judgement upon others but who is really keeping track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: bull ****. It's not relevant to anything. Knock it off. if it's not relevant, you haven't been paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: if it's not relevant, you haven't been paying attention. Right... I haven't been paying attention... Explain, in your own words, why someone's sexuality is relevant. This should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: Right... I haven't been paying attention... Explain, in your own words, why someone's sexuality is relevant. This should be good. I did in another thread. Simply put, the gay community hates Trump about as much or more so than any other group of people. An individual can be gay all they want, but they continue their blind hate for Trump, so they will get called out individually and deservedly so. You want me to leave their sexuality out of it............ fine. But if the people in the gay community are going to call the President all sorts of names, people will fire back on them. If they (and you) can't take the criticism of folks fighting back, then they shouldn't say anything in the first place. Just look at all the names Don Lemon has called Trump the last two years for example. And you don't expect any push back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, njbuff said: if it's not relevant, you haven't been paying attention. Their sexual preference is completely irrelevant, and quite honestly it only gives the left the ammo they desire to label people homophobes, among other things. We can do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, LABillzFan said: Their sexual preference is completely irrelevant, and quite honestly it only gives the left the ammo they desire to label people homophobes, among other things. We can do better. I get it. Gays are human too. But tell them the President is human too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, njbuff said: I did in another thread. Simply put, the gay community hates Trump about as much or more so than any other group of people. An individual can be gay all they want, but they continue their blind hate for Trump, so they will get called out individually and deservedly so. You want me to leave their sexuality out of it............ fine. But if the people in the gay community are going to call the President all sorts of names, people will fire back on them. If they (and you) can't take the criticism of folks fighting back, then they shouldn't say anything in the first place. Just look at all the names Don Lemon has called Trump the last two years for example. And you don't expect any push back? Criticism of individuals is fine, as it pertains to things that are relevant. The sexuality of individuals isn't !@#$ing relevant, and the fact that you're using sexual orientation as a pejorative is ugly and wrong. It's group think, and identity politics, and bigotry (though I'll allow that it may not be intentional). It's reasonable, and desirable, in my opinion, to push back against lies and gaslighting by prominent members of the mainstream media. It is not in any way appropriate to haul sexual orientation into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: Criticism of individuals is fine, as it pertains to things that are relevant. The sexuality of individuals isn't !@#$ing relevant, and the fact that you're using sexual orientation as a pejorative is ugly and wrong. It's group think, and identity politics, and bigotry (though I'll allow that it may not be intentional). It's reasonable, and desirable, in my opinion, to push back against lies and gaslighting by prominent members of the mainstream media. It is not in any way appropriate to haul sexual orientation into it. Ok, guys like Lemon are bad people because they are dishonest "so-called" journalists and sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. Is that more politically correct for you? I will leave the gay bashing out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, njbuff said: I get it. Gays are human too. But tell them the President is human too. Regardless of sexual preference, the people who hate Trump aren't going to be persuaded away from that thinking...and calling them fudge-packers only furthers their resolve and makes discourse much more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, LABillzFan said: Regardless of sexual preference, the people who hate Trump aren't going to be persuaded away from that thinking...and calling them fudge-packers only furthers their resolve and makes discourse much more difficult. Actually, I shouldn't talk............ I am a one-eyed cyclops and shouldn't be making fun of anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 When is Bob Woodward’s book coming out, when he makes up meetings and what was going through peoples minds, all from his imagination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, njbuff said: Ok, guys like Lemon are bad people because they are dishonest "so-called" journalists and sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. Is that more politically correct for you? I will leave the gay bashing out of it. It's not that it's politically correct, it's that it's a relevant factual accounting that leaves no room for rejection based on perceived bigotry. If you want to hold someone's feet to the fire, you have to pin them down. You can't do that when you introduce things like sexual orientation, race, sex, etc. Arguing with leftists is like nailing Jello to the wall. It's easiest to do when you first freeze the Jello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: discourse You can't have a discourse with a progressive. It's pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: You can't have a discourse with a progressive. It's pointless. The argument isn't only for those participating in the argument, it's also for the reader who may not have made up their mind. I would also offer that not everyone on the left is lost. I would argue there is a sizable portion of that intellectual community who simply are what they were raised to be, and have not been exposed to counter arguments in a medium which forces them to think, and gives them a chance to respond. I live in an area that is amongst the most progressive in the country, and I have these sorts of discussions with people holding views opposing mine all the time, and have found that given an opportunity for reflection over a long period of time, people can, and do, change their minds. In fact the entire #walkaway movement was founded on exactly that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: In fact the entire #walkaway movement was founded on exactly that idea. I have my doubts about the scope of that movement. It will remain to be seen as to how large and effective it is. I will say it's commendable that you TRY to reach those people. I wouldn't have the patience to do it. Edited August 15, 2018 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Welp, devolving in to debate on homosexuals is quite ridiculous. Surprised at the stances of those here. Some of you @B-Man are evolved. ?? Seriously, can't believe people still cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Boyst62 said: Welp, devolving in to debate on homosexuals is quite ridiculous. Surprised at the stances of those here. Some of you @B-Man are evolved. ?? Seriously, can't believe people still cash The argument is going nowhere, even if it could be played to an advantage it isn’t worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, row_33 said: The argument is going nowhere, even if it could be played to an advantage it isn’t worth it One needs to win by just calling the other racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: One needs to win by just calling the other racist Yuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 14 hours ago, bbb said: I actually didn't know that Shepard Smith and Don Lemon were gay. TMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 16 hours ago, njbuff said: I could care less, I just point out the facts. You might want to try to do that. Just a suggestion-you know - like the “speed limits” on the highway. And by the way, you were wrong about Fudge. He only played for the Jags and Falcons - Fudge was never a Packer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 It´s Hissy Fit Thursday. 300+ newspapers publish the same anti-Trump editorial today by Thomas Lifson Original Article . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just now, B-Man said: It´s Hissy Fit Thursday. 300+ newspapers publish the same anti-Trump editorial today by Thomas Lifson Original Article . Read this editorial earlier - great piece of writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, Nanker said: You might want to try to do that. Just a suggestion-you know - like the “speed limits” on the highway. And by the way, you were wrong about Fudge. He only played for the Jags and Falcons - Fudge was never a Packer. Very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 53 minutes ago, B-Man said: It´s Hissy Fit Thursday. 300+ newspapers publish the same anti-Trump editorial today by Thomas Lifson Original Article . That's their opinion. It's a lie as always, but it is their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, B-Man said: It´s Hissy Fit Thursday. 300+ newspapers publish the same anti-Trump editorial today by Thomas Lifson Original Article . American non-thinker is more like it. What trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorbait Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, B-Man said: It´s Hissy Fit Thursday. 300+ newspapers publish the same anti-Trump editorial today by Thomas Lifson Original Article . That wasn’t a hit piece on Trump, it was a defense of the free press in this country. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: That's their opinion. It's a lie as always, but it is their opinion. but newspapers are supposed to publish facts and opinions and recognize the difference, as should the readers they put opinion into fact and clog fact into opinions, willy-nilly Edited August 16, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 3 hours ago, donbb said: Read this editorial earlier - great piece of writing I'm guessing it fed your confirmation bias? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Angered by Trump’s charge that it feigns independence while acting as a unified, coordinated attack machine, the press responds with a coordinated, unified attack on Trump............................ Smart. "Local newspapers are dying because they're just not reporting local news anymore. Also, here are 200 identical editorials. Enjoy, hayseeds!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 19 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: It's not that it's politically correct, it's that it's a relevant factual accounting that leaves no room for rejection based on perceived bigotry. If you want to hold someone's feet to the fire, you have to pin them down. You can't do that when you introduce things like sexual orientation, race, sex, etc. Arguing with leftists is like nailing Jello to the wall. It's easiest to do when you first freeze the Jello. I tried that frozen Jello thing because it sounded cool but you suck at science dude. There are a MILLION tiny little pieces of melting Jello all over my carpet. The thing friggin shattered like glass. I'm sending you a cleaning bill. And I'm guessing that NJ, already seemingly wary of gays, is not going to take you up on your suggestion of pinning them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I tried that frozen Jello thing because it sounded cool but you suck at science dude. There are a MILLION tiny little pieces of melting Jello all over my carpet. The thing friggin shattered like glass. I'm sending you a cleaning bill. And I'm guessing that NJ, already seemingly wary of gays, is not going to take you up on your suggestion of pinning them down. Did you drill a starter hole like any ten-year old would know to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Did you drill a starter hole like anyone would know to do? Is your question about the Jello or is it about NJ's gay thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Is your question about the Jello or is it about NJ's gay thing? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 It's funny.............when you see a tweet these days that is full of truth and common sense............it just stands out. Quote walter kirn @walterkirn 9h9 hours ago Let’s get real. The mainstream corporate press has never been freer. It floridly excoriates the president every day, w/unprecedented vehemence & unity. Meanwhile that same multibillion $ press crusades against fringe media & pushes for it to be silenced . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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