njbuff Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Trump is a complete disaster at home and abroad. If you can't see that I can't help you. Tell that to the thousands of people who got their bonus checks and are getting more money in their pay checks starting February 1st and see what they tell you Sparky. Just sayin. 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: I understand your frustration , but that statement simply is not true. There are many, many logical, factual, and reasonable arguments that people can make to show that Obama was a poor President. It is "crazy" to make such an absolute statement that his decency and goodness are "beyond" any argument ........... . The racial divide alone under Obama's watch makes him a horrific President when he was supposed to be the racial healer when he was elected President. And they way he bashed the police pertaining to these racial issues is another. I know someone in DC who thinks it's all gonna come out how abusive he was with his power to destroy his political opponents. I don't know if I buy it yet, I'll wait to see if it's true. The He jury is still out on Trump, obviously, but, we haven't had a good President in office since Reagan. Bush # 1 to Obozo have not been good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: What policies, specifically, have made his administration a "complete disaster"? Just one, I can and will go on if you want more but off and on busy here: He is not doing his job of protecting the Constitution, for one. Russia attacked our election, our country, and he is not even recognizing that it happened. That is a major abdication of responsibility. It even appears that he has been compromised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: By what standard was President Obama a decent President? He obliterated the rule of law, weaponized the Justice Department, Intel agencies, and IRS against his political enemies, oversaw gun running scandals both into Mexico and the Middle East, created a geo-political power vacuum which was filled by bad actors, initiated a foreign policy and military strategy which led to the rise of ISIS, allowed Hezbollah to run an unfettered criminal enterprise in the United States, and oversaw the worst economic recovery out of a recession the country has ever seen. By what standard is that good? He was telegenic. (And that counts for a lot these days) Edited January 16, 2018 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 58 minutes ago, njbuff said: Tell that to the thousands of people who got their bonus checks and are getting more money in their pay checks starting February 1st and see what they tell you Sparky. What percentage of Americans got that bonus? And does that excuse everything else he has done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Just one, I can and will go on if you want more but off and on busy here: He is not doing his job of protecting the Constitution, for one. Russia attacked our election, our country, and he is not even recognizing that it happened. That is a major abdication of responsibility. It even appears that he has been compromised. First of all, there is no proof that Russia did anything other than run some facebook ads. They did not have any appreciable effect on the election, and they most certainly did not "hack" anything. Second, he maintained the weak sanctions Obama imposed as a result of this supposed interference, so to say he's done nothing is to admit that neither did your boy Obama. Being butthurt over Hillary losing the election is not an impeachable offense. However, more to actual things that happened: How is the economy? What are your feelings on Trump actually making the legislative branch legislate, rather than ruling by executive order? In the real world, he's only a "complete disaster" to idiots who can't get over losing in November 2016. Edited January 16, 2018 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 "Being butthurt over Hillary losing the election is not an impeachable offense." As Gerald Ford said, an impeachable offense is anything the majority of the House says is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: "Being butthurt over Hillary losing the election is not an impeachable offense." As Gerald Ford said, an impeachable offense is anything the majority of the House says is. Which is true, but they'd be laughed right out of office if they tried to pass Articles of Impeachment that accused him of defeating Hillary at the polls in November, 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: First of all, there is no proof that Russia did anything other than run some facebook ads. They did not have any appreciable effect on the election. Second, he maintained Obama's weak sanctions, so to say he's done nothing is to admit that neither did your boy Obama. Being butthurt over Hillary losing the election is not an impeachable offense. However, more to actual things that happened: How is the economy? What are your feelings on Trump actually making the legislative branch legislate, rather than ruling by executive order? In the real world, he's only a "complete disaster" to idiots who can't get over losing in November 2016. Sounds like you just don't care because the Russians helped your guy. That's unAmerican. The intelligence communities believe it was more than just facebook and twitter manipulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections He is not defending our Constitution, he is sworn to do that. And this is just one of many serious reasons 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: "Being butthurt over Hillary losing the election is not an impeachable offense." As Gerald Ford said, an impeachable offense is anything the majority of the House says is. It is a political process. The Impeachment election of 2018 will be the most interesting mid-term since...1866? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 you need serious grounds of treason or felony or crime committed, not just Maxine Waters yelling all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Sounds like you just don't care because the Russians helped your guy. That's unAmerican. The intelligence communities believe it was more than just facebook and twitter manipulation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections He is not defending our Constitution, he is sworn to do that. And this is just one of many serious reasons Well, if Wikipedia says so, it must be true! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 "The Intelligence communities all believe" is a proven falsehood. That it's still repeated is a sign that people believe what they hear first, not the truth. 17 intel agencies NEVER have had a consensus about Russian collusion or hacking the election. Not even the entirety of the 3 agencies represented in the January DNI all agreed with the assessment of that report. It was a team of "hand picked" agents from the FBI, CIA and DHS who were chosen to find proof of the assertion, not to investigate its merits (as stated by Clapper himself in testimony). Which is exactly how the WMD information was compiled and the results of that intel blunder was for the DNI to rewrite policy making sure this kind of selective, insulated investigation didn't happen again. Yet, for this investigation, Clapper ignored the policy he helped author in order to get the conclusion he needed (because he's a traitor to this country and was covering his tracks). None of this is speculation. It's laid bare by the very DNI report that the media misunderstood and misquoted for 7 months before bothering to read it (and then they issued a retraction). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Well, if Wikipedia says so, it must be true! It's open info, easily checked We were attacked, the intelligence agencies, Senators of both parties, house members of both parties, members of Trump's cabinet all agree, all except the guy who is suppose to do something about it. Instead, he acts super nice to the murderer who is behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Open info, easily faked. But details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It's open info, easily checked We were attacked, the intelligence agencies, Senators of both parties, house members of both parties, members of Trump's cabinet all agree, all except the guy who is suppose to do something about it. Instead, he acts super nice to the murderer who is behind it. That report you're relying on has been pretty well debunked, after months of the media lying about it. There is a reason it hasn't been mentioned in months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Hearing this press conference with Robby Jackson re 45's health is hilarious... he's said, at least half a dozen times now, that 45 isn't suffering from any mental defects - but the press corps won't take that answer. They keep trying to rephrase it, to get Jackson to trip up - even bringing up Reagan's mental health and asking Jackson to compare (despite never having examined Reagan). The left wants to talk about how POTUS's words are hurting the country - while ignoring the repeated times the media has slandered, lied about, or otherwise worked to undermine the public's' confidence in the man in the Oval. If he was as big of a threat as the media and left would like us to think, they wouldn't NEED to inflate, hype, or lie about his condition, his words, or his actions. Instead they could let reality speak for itself rather than trying to invent their own. And yet, they persist. Why? Because the only card they have to play is the fear card. Fortunately people are wise to this game by now. Tomorrow's fake news awards is shaping up to be high comedy. (50 minutes later... the press is STILL grilling the doctor.) Edited January 16, 2018 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: That report you're relying on has been pretty well debunked, after months of the media lying about it. There is a reason it hasn't been mentioned in months. Members of his own cabinet support the assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 False. They agree Russia meddled in the election - which everyone agrees on. They meddled in every election this century... as have we. No one in his cabinet agrees that Russia "hacked" the election, changed any votes, or that they colluded actively with Trump or his campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Sounds like you just don't care because the Russians helped your guy. That's unAmerican. Hillary is the reason we have Trump, not the Russians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Gary M said: Hillary is the reason we have Trump, not the Russians. So, we have to thank Hillary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: So, we have to thank Hillary? she has provided a million great moments of laughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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