Buffalo_Gal Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Just now, McGee Return TD said: Regardless of who they support (isn't the deep state run by a uniparty, anyway?), do they become a part of the deep state after signing on to that letter? Following your logic B-gal, can I assume anyone who doesn't support Trump (Ds, RINOs, GOPe, or #NeverTrumpers) is unwittingly part of the deep state? The term deep state is simply a nomenclature to describe what has been going on with our government from within, and from outside influences, that are not in the best interests of the United States, but rather in the best interest of the highest bidder (follow the money), or ideology (follow the money). That is simply my definition of "deep state". Others may disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: When I titled this thread, I chose the term Deep State because it was a seldom, if ever, used term. It had very little baggage attached to it. Less than a few months later, that term has been used and attached to everything and anything under the sun. That causes confusion and leads to ridicule quite easily by those who want to mock rather than understand the true nature of what's happening. But the actual definition isn't as conspiratorial as you presume, in fact, denying the existence of a Deep State now, after everything that's come to light the past year+, is to admit your own ignorance. Indeed - which brings me back to the reason I posted in this thread today. Tom Fitton implied that those who signed onto the letter are part of the deep state, and you quoted him and decided to post it here, thus my confusion. I assumed you agreed with Fitton since you posted it in your deep state thread. 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: The term deep state is simply a nomenclature to describe what has been going on with our government from within, and from outside influences, that are not in the best interests of the United States, but rather in the best interest of the highest bidder (follow the money), or ideology (follow the money). That is simply my definition of "deep state". Others may disagree. I get this. I just wonder if there is a subset of orignal deep state theorists (like Rhino) who are upset with the bastardization of the term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 Just now, McGee Return TD said: Indeed - which brings me back to the reason I posted in this thread today. Tom Fitton implied that those who signed onto the letter are part of the deep state, and you quoted him and decided to post it here, thus my confusion. I assumed you agreed with Fitton since you posted it in your deep state thread. It's a salient point -- 300+ former prosecutors willing to ignore the facts in order to push fiction. How many of them are compromised versus true, blue partisans? Who knows. The point is that the narrative is being pushed, facts be damned, by the deep state narrative builders. 2 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: I get this. I just wonder if there is a subset of orignal deep state theorists (like Rhino) who are upset with the bastardization of the term. We are in a (dis)information war. It's non stop, and coming from all sides and camps. The subversion of the term was always going to happen -- it's SOP with the IC when it comes to building narratives. Go back to who coined the term "conspiracy theorists" in the first place (it was Langley, and its intent was to belittle and shame anyone who didn't fall lockstep in line with the narrative/"facts" being presented by the IC). Same thing here -- if they can take a term and make it into a punchline, it instantly creates divisions within the public and allows their disinformation to continue unabated. What they fear most are people who think for themselves. Which is why the current environment makes it so difficult for those who do precisely that. They want NPCs. Not intellectual debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's a salient point -- 300+ former prosecutors willing to ignore the facts in order to push fiction. How many of them are compromised versus true, blue partisans? Who knows. The point is that the narrative is being pushed, facts be damned, by the deep state narrative builders. They build the deep state narrative while Tom Fitton is literally pushing the narrative that they are deep state. I find this bit of sociology more interesting than politics to begin with, so pardon my past few questions if they were too annoying. Carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 minute ago, McGee Return TD said: They build the deep state narrative while Tom Fitton is literally pushing the narrative that they are deep state. I find this bit of sociology more interesting than politics to begin with, so pardon my past few questions if they were too annoying. Carry on! They've been engineering this specific narrative (the Trump/Russia narrative) since April of 2016. The Deep State has been controlling our national narrative since before either of us were born. Fitton is just calling it out as he sees it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Go back to who coined the term "conspiracy theorists" in the first place (it was Langley, and its intent was to belittle and shame anyone who didn't fall lockstep in line with the narrative/"facts" being presented by the IC). I missed this before. I've heard a lot of people say this and I've never looked into it myself. A quick Duck Duck Go search, though, provides multiple results that claim to debunk this. What do you think about this link? https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-the-cia-invented-the-term-conspiracy-theory-in-1967-with-memo-1035-960.t960/ Am I safe to assume your argument is that Langley coined the term in a dismissive way? I'd be interested to read more about this if you have some links or recommendations of where to start reading on this) I'm also of the assumption you use Langley/CIA interchangeably. Please let me know if that's an incorrect assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, McGee Return TD said: I missed this before. I've heard a lot of people say this and I've never looked into it myself. A quick Duck Duck Go search, though, provides multiple results that claim to debunk this. What do you think about this link? https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-the-cia-invented-the-term-conspiracy-theory-in-1967-with-memo-1035-960.t960/ Am I safe to assume your argument is that Langley coined the term in a dismissive way? I'd be interested to read more about this if you have some links or recommendations of where to start reading on this) I'm also of the assumption you use Langley/CIA interchangeably. Please let me know if that's an incorrect assumption. Conflating one thing with another is a popular trick of those who wish to deceive. CIA did not invent the term - they weaponized it through many means after Kennedy was shot, and through many agencies and media outlets. This is seen most vividly in the infiltration of disclosure and UFO communities in the 70s-90s. It picked back up again in the mid 2000s. Same has been done to the term deep state once people started using it (accurately) to describe what they were witnessing with the trump Russia narrative engineering. Trump does the same thing. He takes words and phrases used by his opponents and turns it around on them. He did it with fake news (coined by the WaPo after pizzagate) and he did it with collusion (used by the media at first so they could talk sensationally about non criminal offenses). Using their own weapons, symbols, and tactics against this group is how the group behind trump has been waging this clandestine war. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 Link to the playbook directly: (worth reading the linked thread too, but source material is best) https://www.brookings.edu/research/presidential-obstruction-of-justice-the-case-of-donald-j-trump-2nd-edition/amp/?__twitter_impression=true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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keepthefaith Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: So 400+ have signed the statement. How many would disagree and not sign it? Also, how is it that Trump should be prosecuted for obstruction if his inner circle rants about ending the investigation or limiting the scope were not in fact carried out? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 (edited) I'm putting this here even though it can fit in several threads. I have not read this yet, but will tonight. It's a write up by Adam Carter who did dynamite forensic analysis of Guciffer 2.0. in 2016/2017. He wrote up his take on the Mueller report's handling of that matter. I hear it's good stuff: http://g-2.space/muellerreport/ Edited May 6, 2019 by Deranged Rhino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Democrats truly are the dumbest fvcks on this planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cinga Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 hours ago, keepthefaith said: So 400+ have signed the statement. How many would disagree and not sign it? Also, how is it that Trump should be prosecuted for obstruction if his inner circle rants about ending the investigation or limiting the scope were not in fact carried out? Thought Police... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 JAMES COMEY IS IN TROUBLE, AND HE KNOWS IT. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: JAMES COMEY IS IN TROUBLE, AND HE KNOWS IT. . Take the '0' off of the end of your link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 it was only a matter of time... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: it was only a matter of time... Is that real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: "We're going to fact-check satire, and remove anything that's satire." Well, that's not completely ***** stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: OK, so include facts/numbers in memes. Remove all subjectivity and doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, GG said: Is that real? Probably not. The original image is from some sort of insurance thing; NAMBLA would likely not be using an image of a little girl; and TED has been disavowing this crap for about a year now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, GG said: Is that real? i believe it was based off of this TED talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJLd6l4-t9A TEDx Talk: Pedophilia is a Natural Sexual Orientation You Must Accept Edited May 7, 2019 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 34 minutes ago, DC Tom said: "We're going to fact-check satire, and remove anything that's satire." Well, that's not completely ***** stupid. Well, they already killed parody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Foxx said: it was only a matter of time... What the *****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) NXIVM Trial Info: The first day of Keith Raniere’s trial ended on an odd note with Raniere’s lead attorney, Marc Agnifilo, indicating he wanted the presiding judge, Nicholas G. Garaufis, to declare a mistrial – and a clearly miffed Judge Garaufis indicating that, if a mistrial is declared, a second trial would not start until September. Quote Courtroom observers indicated that Agnifilo was displeased over the fact that the lead prosecutor, Moira Kim Penza, had instructed the prosecution’s first witness, a British citizen named Sylvie, that she could mention the last name of someone she was describing during her testimony. But as soon as the jury had been dismissed for the day, Agnifilo indicated to the court that a mistrial needed to be declared because of the person’s last name being mentioned. All of the following are beginnings of different threads. Nxivm cult leader Keith Raniere's first sex slave is revealed as a Mexican girl aged just FIFTEEN Edited May 8, 2019 by Hedge 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Scorecard check. Chris Wray is one of the good guys right? Like Sessions? We can trust him to not be part of the Deep State? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 13 hours ago, DC Tom said: Probably not. The original image is from some sort of insurance thing; NAMBLA would likely not be using an image of a little girl; and TED has been disavowing this crap for about a year now. They would also avoid the word pedophelia and call it something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 13 hours ago, Foxx said: it was only a matter of time... And you think I make stuff up to “slide and divide?” You win Foxx. You win like a Russian bot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: They would also avoid the word pedophelia and call it something else. intergenerational goes well with intersectional, same folk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-trespass-arrest-agent-penis-virginia-langley-police-jennifer-hernandez-a8902436.html Woman tried to trespass on CIA grounds while asking to speak to 'Agent Penis', police say A woman was arrested after she repeatedly tried to enter CIA headquarters and asked to speak with “Agent Penis”, according to police. Jennifer Hernandez, 58, claimed she had applied for a job at the agency and had an appointment with her recruiter at the complex in Langley, Virginia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: And you think I make stuff up to “slide and divide?” You win Foxx. You win like a Russian bot. In your defense, I don't think you're smart enough to make things up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, DC Tom said: In your defense, I don't think you're smart enough to make things up. Congratulations on your fan: My stalker likes your act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said: Congratulations on your fan: My stalker likes your act. He's a minion, dumbass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, DC Tom said: He's a minion, dumbass. a truckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: He's a minion, dumbass. He's always three weeks behind the curve. Because he doesn't think for himself, or write his own jokes. He outsources both -- because he has nothing to offer. Ben Franklin/Beginner's Mind is as low as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: He's always three weeks behind the curve. Because he doesn't think for himself, or write his own jokes. He outsources both -- because he has nothing to offer. Ben Franklin/Beginner's Mind is as low as it gets. 3 posts before you stalked me today. That is not counting to your reactions, but I believe in encouraging your positive steps. You can’t quit me man. You just can’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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