Alphadawg7 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 You know, I am starting to come around to your way of thinking Fergy. I mean Whaley was pretty dumb for drafting James Hardy, trading up for Roscoe, and really dumb when he traded 2 first for JP Loserman. Not to mention that contract he gave Fitz, dumping Bledsoe for JP, etc. #ThanksObama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Wow, sensational thread titles are like shiny objects around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Dak Prescott (will be stuck in wage scale for four years) Zeke Elliot (monster RB with four more years) Jaylon Smith (Top 10 talent...wait and see for 2017) O Line ...enough said Jerry has assembled a strong young team. Is already re-doing some O line contracts, defense may be suspect, but look what he assembled in one or two years. Meanwhile, in Buffalo: Tyrod Old Shady with a lot of $$$ Dareus (3rd pick, lots o' $$$, groin is ouchy) Sammy (gave away three first round picks for a WR with a hurt foot) Lorax (love the guy but age will catch up to him) Shaq (missed 7 games) Gilmore...(fill in the blank) Jerry has every reason to be named "GM of the Year" Jerry got lucky for once it only took him how long ? Give Whaley the next 10 years to screw with getting the players he wants then you can talk . Whaley has 3 years in comparison . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 3 firsts huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 First off, this post is stupid. Second, your information isnt accurate. Third, Whaley didn't pick all those players. Fourth you cleverly left off terrible deals Jerry has done, including the dumbest QB contract for a QB not named Kapernick ever in his deal with Romo. Fifth, Dallas team underachieves more than the Bills do on a yearly basis in which they are always seem to be a preseason SB contender then get no where near it. Now lets look at some of your comparisons...the Zeke Elliot pick was, and still is, a stupid pick by Dallas. Not a knock on Elliot because he is a stud. But if anyone believes for one second Alfred Morris wouldn't be running all over the league as the starter behind that line then you should never comment on football ever again. They were very deep at RB and Alfred could be carrying the rushing load the same as Zeke is right now. Dallas would have done more for their team overall had Jerry not went after the sexy pick and instead went defensive to improve what was by a mile the weakest part of their team at draft time. No one is going to bash Dallas for taking Zeke, but it was probably the single most unnecessary pick in any draft since we drafted CJ Spiller. Sammy - The stupid myth of what we traded to get Sammy gets worse with each moronic post about him. We trade ONE...not three...ONE additional first round pick to move up to get Sammy and a 4th. We did not in any way shape or form spend 3 fist round picks for Sammy. And at the time, Sammy had no injury concerns...his talent has MORE than proven his value, its been his foot issues that have been a set back, something that did NOT exist nor was it suspected to exist when he was drafted. Dareus - Not a Whaley pick, but he is still one of the 3 best DT in the NFL, so not sure why you would put him on a list of "mistakes". Shady is one of the main reasons we have 4 wins this season, and has been the life of the offense. He is earning is contract and we had the cap room for him, so this is still a win. Shaq - Who cares if he missed 7 games, its not a career threatening injury, the kid is good and looked good since his return...this is going to be a great player for us IMO. Gilmore - He also didn't draft Gilmore either, him and Dareus were the two draft years prior with Nix as the GM. Tyrod Taylor - You're a moron for criticizing this...Whaley right now is the ONLY GM in football to sign either a promising young QB or Vet to a contract extension that is TEAM FRIENDLY and can get out of it EASILY if it didn't work. This is a massive win for Whaley...MASSIVE. Dallas was the opposite and gave an awful contract to Romo, just like SF did with Kap, Chi did with Cutler, Indy did with Luck, Miami did with Tannehill, and so on and so on. This might actually have been his biggest win because it just doesn't happen in todays NFL for any team. The only team that avoided disaster was Washington, but that was because Cousins decided to gamble on himself for a bigger deal next year. You also carefully left out all of Whaleys big home run draft picks, trades, and FA signings... More importantly...Jerry Jones has a long history of terrible drafts and GM moves. So everything you posted is pretty ridiculous considering all the incorrect information and misguided analysis. Dead on. Facts are fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermal Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Dak Prescott (will be stuck in wage scale for four years) Zeke Elliot (monster RB with four more years) Jaylon Smith (Top 10 talent...wait and see for 2017) O Line ...enough said Jerry has assembled a strong young team. Is already re-doing some O line contracts, defense may be suspect, but look what he assembled in one or two years. Meanwhile, in Buffalo: Tyrod Old Shady with a lot of $$$ Dareus (3rd pick, lots o' $$$, groin is ouchy) Sammy (gave away three first round picks for a WR with a hurt foot) Lorax (love the guy but age will catch up to him) Shaq (missed 7 games) Gilmore...(fill in the blank) Jerry has every reason to be named "GM of the Year" Thats absolute lunacy. Whaley should win GM of the year. Lorenzo Alexander leading the league in sacks and playing at a pro-bowl level? Huh? Zack Brown leading the leading in tackles and playing at a pro-bowl level? You're literally crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Thats absolute lunacy. Whaley should win GM of the year. Lorenzo Alexander leading the league in sacks and playing at a pro-bowl level? Huh? Zack Brown leading the leading in tackles and playing at a pro-bowl level? You're literally crazy. I thought that's Robert Woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Jerry Jones is a joke. End of discussion as far as Im concerned. If he wasnt his own boss he wouldve been fired 5x over by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) I have not read the entire thread, and I apologize if this has already been said, but my understanding is that Stephen Jones, Jerry's kid, is the real mastermind. Apparently, a couple of years ago, Jerry wanted to draft Johnny Manziel and his son Stephen literally pulled the draft card from his hands and substituted it with one for the OT from Notre Dame, who I believe became an instant starter and Pro Bowl caliber player and has been a huge part of them having the best OL in the NFL. In my opinion, the heart of a great football team comes from one of two places: 1) a great QB who can get the ball out quickly and make adjustments at the line, who can cover up for deficiencies in the line and elsewhere (see Brady, Tom) OR 2) a great OL. With a great OL, you can open holes to run the ball and you can pass protect, giving the QB time to find an open receiver and also time to for the receivers to get open. These things allow you to keep getting first downs, keep moving the chains and keep possession of the ball, which in turn allows your defense to be well-rested and fresh when they come on the field. It also prevents the other team's offense from having the opportunity to get into a rhythm. So, back to the original point of the thread, the success in Dallas goes to Jerry's kid and not Jerry. While I have been very impressed with the play of Dak Prescott, there is no doubt that he would not be so impressive if he didn't have the running game and pass protection that his great OL affords him. And I like Whaley, but it looks like Dallas is further along than Buffalo right now, so credit should go to the Dallas front office for putting them in the position they are in. And, I should add, I despise Dallas and have since the arrival of Jerry Jones and the departure of Tom Landry. This is mostly correct and some choose to not believe it. Perhaps from Jerry Jones own mouth about how he was talked out of drafting Manziel by Stephen. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000408696/Martin-best-choice-Jones-could-have-made From another story. "So what happened to convince the billionaire owner that his Cowboys were better off selecting Notre Dame offensive lineman Zack Martin than Manziel?" But Longtime scout Walter Juliff's ringing pre-draft endorsement of Martin has proven accurate for a team that's now 5-1 and running the ball better than any team in the league while reducing the burden on Romo. "Walter said, 'I'm going to make a statement that's going to make everybody drop because we've had a couple of Hall of Fame guards, especially Larry Allen,' " Stephen Jones recalled. "Walter said, 'Zack Martin is the most high-level ready offensive lineman I've ever seen since I've been scouting here. "That doesn't mean he has Larry's upside. But as far as ready to start from Day 1, Zack was truly plug and play." It helped that Martin started 52 games for Notre Dame. Stephen Jones said Cowboys coach Jason Garrett "had a huge influence on selecting Martin," who has the quick feet of a left tackle (his primary position for the Irish) but is a mauling finisher as a guard." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2014/10/17/zack-martin-jerry-jones-johnny-manziel-dallas-draft/17444699/ I've not read anywhere that anyone other than Jerry Jones and his son Stephen are the people that make the ultimate choice on who to draft and they listen to everyone in the draft room for advice. Although, the rest of the people in the draft room besides the Jones family are just cogs in the wheel. Edited November 4, 2016 by Nihilarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 This is mostly correct and some choose to not believe it. Perhaps from Jerry Jones own mouth about how he was talked out of drafting Manziel by Stephen. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000408696/Martin-best-choice-Jones-could-have-made From another story. "So what happened to convince the billionaire owner that his Cowboys were better off selecting Notre Dame offensive lineman Zack Martin than Manziel?" But Longtime scout Walter Juliff's ringing pre-draft endorsement of Martin has proven accurate for a team that's now 5-1 and running the ball better than any team in the league while reducing the burden on Romo. "Walter said, 'I'm going to make a statement that's going to make everybody drop because we've had a couple of Hall of Fame guards, especially Larry Allen,' " Stephen Jones recalled. "Walter said, 'Zack Martin is the most high-level ready offensive lineman I've ever seen since I've been scouting here. "That doesn't mean he has Larry's upside. But as far as ready to start from Day 1, Zack was truly plug and play." It helped that Martin started 52 games for Notre Dame. Stephen Jones said Cowboys coach Jason Garrett "had a huge influence on selecting Martin," who has the quick feet of a left tackle (his primary position for the Irish) but is a mauling finisher as a guard." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2014/10/17/zack-martin-jerry-jones-johnny-manziel-dallas-draft/17444699/ I've not read anywhere that anyone other than Jerry Jones and his son Stephen are the people that make the ultimate choice on who to draft and they listen to everyone in the draft room for advice. Although, the rest of the people in the draft room besides the Jones family are just cogs in the wheel. Nice passive aggressive call out! Because they have no GM in title, you (notice I said "you" and not "some people"...see how that works? ) may choose to interpret that as the Joneses making personnel decisions (frankly that wouldn't surprise me given some of the opinions you've taken with regard to who makes personnel decisions on this team ). But that's not what they're doing, and nowhere in that link does it say that Stephen made the decision on Martin. It's widely known around the league that McClay is the head of personnel. It's his staff that's providing the scouting reports, and his staff that's making the recommendations. As I said earlier, the best compliment we can pay to Stephen Jones is that he's gotten out of the way and let the football guys do their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 LOL - Jerry wanted to draft Manziel. His son talked him out of it. Jerry is a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Thats absolute lunacy. Whaley should win GM of the year. Lorenzo Alexander leading the league in sacks and playing at a pro-bowl level? Huh? Zack Brown leading the leading in tackles and playing at a pro-bowl level? You're literally crazy. You should get a Lawyer to have him committed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizslafan Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Dak Prescott (will be stuck in wage scale for four years) Zeke Elliot (monster RB with four more years) Jaylon Smith (Top 10 talent...wait and see for 2017) O Line ...enough said Jerry has assembled a strong young team. Is already re-doing some O line contracts, defense may be suspect, but look what he assembled in one or two years. Meanwhile, in Buffalo: Tyrod Old Shady with a lot of $$$ Dareus (3rd pick, lots o' $$$, groin is ouchy) Sammy (gave away three first round picks for a WR with a hurt foot) Lorax (love the guy but age will catch up to him) Shaq (missed 7 games) Gilmore...(fill in the blank) Jerry has every reason to be named "GM of the Year" I live here in Dallas and have observed Jerry since he owned the team starting in 1989. He is a brilliant marketing person but a numbskull in the personnel/gm area. Just about everybody else here thinks so as well - possibly including his son. There are other folks involved with the Dallas Cowboys that are either influencing Jerry or calling the shots at this point. Whaley is not perfect but way better than Jerry. Look at the FA pickups, Jerry could never do that. In his day his signings were dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 PS- there's a pretty clear quote in the article below: http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4750668/scouting-director-will-mcclay-refuses-to-shrink-when-jerry-jones-challenges-him "He's about to lead his third draft". "Lead" - take that however you'd like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Agreed Whaley deserves the axe after next year if no playoffs He's had way too many excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Dak Prescott (will be stuck in wage scale for four years) Zeke Elliot (monster RB with four more years) Jaylon Smith (Top 10 talent...wait and see for 2017) O Line ...enough said Jerry has assembled a strong young team. Is already re-doing some O line contracts, defense may be suspect, but look what he assembled in one or two years. Meanwhile, in Buffalo: Tyrod Old Shady with a lot of $$$ Dareus (3rd pick, lots o' $$$, groin is ouchy) Sammy (gave away three first round picks for a WR with a hurt foot) Lorax (love the guy but age will catch up to him) Shaq (missed 7 games) Gilmore...(fill in the blank) Jerry has every reason to be named "GM of the Year" No one was saying this last year... Dak is exposed. They are going to be begging for Romo by thanksgiving. They drafted a RB with their first rounder, something fans would crucify the bills brass for doing, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Will McClay, their Director of Player Personnel, is the guy that is drafting players. Not Jerry. If Jerry were in charge, they'd have drafted Manziel. Additional Stephen Jones is the one making the final call on all players. Hence them drafting an all pro OL when Jerry was banging the table for Jihnny Manziel Jerry is no longer running the show which is why they are doing good Now if you want to say Stephen Jones is a better GM an argument can be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Additional Stephen Jones is the one making the final call on all players. Hence them drafting an all pro OL when Jerry was banging the table for Jihnny Manziel Jerry is no longer running the show which is why they are doing good Now if you want to say Stephen Jones is a better GM an argument can be had. Even at that, Stephen takes his cues from McClay and the scouting staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 C O N T I N U I T Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Well Jerry isnt picking players now, but for quite awhile he did pick players. Was an unmitigated disater and he finally wised up and hired some real football people. Although, i believe, didnt he pull Romo out of basically nowhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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