Watkins Return ?

[K-9]

Sammy is Not Eligible to return yet because it has not been 8 weeks. That is Jacksonville.

 

Then if healthy he can come back that week

 

Has nothing to do with Shaq Lawson being activated off the PUP

If a player is physically unable to perform (PUP), then it doesn't do any good to activate him since he can't help your team. Sammy is physically unable to perform (PUP), and that is totally different than IR and the rules that govern it. Unable = ineligible; therefore Sammy can't be activated. It's pretty easy when you break it down scientifically.

[MAJBobby]

If a player is physically unable to perform (PUP), then it doesn't do any good to activate him since he can't help your team. Sammy is physically unable to perform (PUP), and that is totally different than IR and the rules that govern it. Unable = ineligible; therefore Sammy can't be activated. It's pretty easy when you break it down scientifically.

Sammy is on Injured Reserve Not the PUP list. jesus people

[CommonCents]

Sammy is on Injured Reserve Not the PUP list. jesus people

I think they are just trying to be funny, can never be sure though.

[What a Tuel]

 

Wrong....

 

Sammy can only return if another offensive player gets hurt and takes his place on IR. You must designate an offensive and defensive player on IR.

 

But if we put Evander Kane on IR, then it will offset Sammy, and we can take him off too, because Pegula owns both franchises

[Malazan]

Sorry if this has been posted, what week could we activate Sammy if he is ready and able to return?

 

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/189222-report-sammy-could-return-this-season/

[TakeYouToTasker]

 

But if we put Evander Kane on IR, then it will offset Sammy, and we can take him off too, because Pegula owns both franchises

 

[Heitz]

I think they are just trying to be funny, can never be sure though.

 

In other news Pegula CAN indeed own both the Bills and the Sabres in the same market...

 

^^^ see my point was ALREADY proven!

Edited October 19, 2016 by Heitz

[MAJBobby]

Learn the Rules

 

Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) Rules

First, under the NFL Rules, there are two classifications of Physically Unable to Perform (PUP). There's the Active/PUP and the Reserve/PUP. Both PUP classifications are for football-related injuries.

The Active/PUP (Preseason PUP list) allows players who are unable to start training camp the ability to sit out until the medical staff provides clearance. Once they are medically cleared, they're allowed to practice immediately.

 

Second, there's the Reserve/PUP (regular season PUP list). Any player starting on the Active PUP list (and has not practiced) with the team becomes eligible for the Reserve/PUP at the end of training camp. Once a player practices during training camp, all PUP list options are off the table. If, during the season, a player sustains injury but practiced at camp, the PUP list is not an option. The team can keep the player on the roster, if they believe he will come back that season. But, the injured player is counted against the 53-man roster.

 

In the alternative, teams must go straight to the Injured Reserve list or waive the player. So, it means the 49ers are extremely cautious about letting any player practice, no matter how good he looks following an injury. When it comes to classifications, the difference is whether or not a player practices. Allowing a player to practice limits the options of the team. It can tie up roster spots and dollars.

It should be noted, ALL player salaries of a team count in calculating that team's total salary cap during the season. This includes players that are on Injured Reserve (IR), Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), and the Practice Squad (PS). The NFI requires some differentiation, which is made below.

 

If a player started on the Active/PUP list and isn't medically cleared by the end of the preseason, the 49ers may transfer any Active/PUP player to the Reserve/PUP.

 

These players are prevented from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season. What makes the Reserve PUP advantageous is that any player on the Reserve PUP list does not count against the 53-man roster. If a player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a six-week window (day after Week 6 to day after Week 11) to make a decision to: 1.) place the player on injured reserve; 2.) release the player; or 3.) get him back to practice. As soon as the player returns to practice, the team has another three-week window to add the player back to the 53-man roster, or place them on the Injured Reserve list.

 

Non-Football Injury (NFI) List

 

The NFL has a second injury list that is similar to the PUP list, but is based on different timing of injuries. The Non-Football Injury list has rules that closely adhere to those in the Active/PUP and Reserve/PUP, but it is classified differently. The most obvious inclusion would be injuries suffered off the football field (game AND practice fields). If a player gets hurt away from team activities, the team would be eligible to place him on the NFI list.

 

Additionally, a draft pick who sustained any injuries before being selected by his NFL team can be placed on this list. This covers ANY injury suffered before the draft, including injuries on the football field at the collegiate level.

One notable difference between the NFI and PUP lists is that the team has the right to not pay base salary to a player on the NFI list. The idea is that if a player suffered his injury outside the purview of the team, they should not be responsible for his salary. However, teams will often work out deals with NFI players to pay some or all of their salary when there is a common understanding about the injury. This is particularly true with players who the team knows will go on the NFI list upon arrival to the team.

 

Injured Reserve (IR) List, Injured Reserve with Return Designation

 

If the team decides to place a player on injured reserve, it must be a major injury. The NFL defines major injury as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks -- or 42 calendar days -- from the date of injury.

 

The NFL and the NFL Players Association agreed to a short-term IR rule change which took effect in 2012. This change allows one player (per team) to be activated from the IR list. Before the enactment of this rule, any player that was placed on the IR list was not eligible to play again for the same team in that season (regular season and postseason). Teams are only allowed one short-term IR move and once it is made, no other designation is possible.

So, while the NFL does not limit the number of players on the PUP or IR, the salary cap sets its own constraints. One of the reasons the salary cap came into effect is the alleged abuse of the IR list to get around the NFL roster limit. High revenue teams, like the Dallas Cowboys, allegedly had the ability to redshirt unlimited young players by claiming they were injured (when they weren't). Teams could place unlimited players on IR, thereby circumventing the roster limit.

The salary cap effectively curbed the abuse of limitless players on IR. However, another problem was created. As stated previously, those on IR receive full pay for the season (and it's counted against the cap), but are forbidden to dress again for the entire season. If a team believed the player could return that season, they had to keep the player on the 53-man roster (thereby occupying a precious roster spot). In this scenario, it is anything but a "level playing field" the NFL claims to be providing with these rules. This kind of occurrence is likely why the NFL and NFL Players Association came up with the player designation rule.

 

There has been a significant change to the designated for return list. Previously, a team had to declare a player “eligible to return” upon placing the player on injured reserve. Earlier this offseason, the NFL changed the rule so that teams can bring back one player from IR after the eight weeks, without declaring them eligible to return. So, if the team has to place three players on IR at some point, they can wait and see who appears closest to return. They can still only use the move once.

 

The player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on the IR list for at least six weeks from the date he was placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the active list if he has been on the IR list for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Injured Reserve.

[Captain_Quint]

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/189222-report-sammy-could-return-this-season/

 

GRWARRAGGHRRRGGHHHRRRRRRRRGGAHGHRRRRRR

Im liking your work so far. Keep it up!

[Malazan]

Learn the Rules

 

Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) Rules

First, under the NFL Rules, there are two classifications of Physically Unable to Perform (PUP). There's the Active/PUP and the Reserve/PUP. Both PUP classifications are for football-related injuries.

The Active/PUP (Preseason PUP list) allows players who are unable to start training camp the ability to sit out until the medical staff provides clearance. Once they are medically cleared, they're allowed to practice immediately.

 

Second, there's the Reserve/PUP (regular season PUP list). Any player starting on the Active PUP list (and has not practiced) with the team becomes eligible for the Reserve/PUP at the end of training camp. Once a player practices during training camp, all PUP list options are off the table. If, during the season, a player sustains injury but practiced at camp, the PUP list is not an option. The team can keep the player on the roster, if they believe he will come back that season. But, the injured player is counted against the 53-man roster.

 

In the alternative, teams must go straight to the Injured Reserve list or waive the player. So, it means the 49ers are extremely cautious about letting any player practice, no matter how good he looks following an injury. When it comes to classifications, the difference is whether or not a player practices. Allowing a player to practice limits the options of the team. It can tie up roster spots and dollars.

It should be noted, ALL player salaries of a team count in calculating that team's total salary cap during the season. This includes players that are on Injured Reserve (IR), Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), and the Practice Squad (PS). The NFI requires some differentiation, which is made below.

 

If a player started on the Active/PUP list and isn't medically cleared by the end of the preseason, the 49ers may transfer any Active/PUP player to the Reserve/PUP.

 

These players are prevented from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season. What makes the Reserve PUP advantageous is that any player on the Reserve PUP list does not count against the 53-man roster. If a player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a six-week window (day after Week 6 to day after Week 11) to make a decision to: 1.) place the player on injured reserve; 2.) release the player; or 3.) get him back to practice. As soon as the player returns to practice, the team has another three-week window to add the player back to the 53-man roster, or place them on the Injured Reserve list.

 

Non-Football Injury (NFI) List

 

The NFL has a second injury list that is similar to the PUP list, but is based on different timing of injuries. The Non-Football Injury list has rules that closely adhere to those in the Active/PUP and Reserve/PUP, but it is classified differently. The most obvious inclusion would be injuries suffered off the football field (game AND practice fields). If a player gets hurt away from team activities, the team would be eligible to place him on the NFI list.

 

Additionally, a draft pick who sustained any injuries before being selected by his NFL team can be placed on this list. This covers ANY injury suffered before the draft, including injuries on the football field at the collegiate level.

One notable difference between the NFI and PUP lists is that the team has the right to not pay base salary to a player on the NFI list. The idea is that if a player suffered his injury outside the purview of the team, they should not be responsible for his salary. However, teams will often work out deals with NFI players to pay some or all of their salary when there is a common understanding about the injury. This is particularly true with players who the team knows will go on the NFI list upon arrival to the team.

 

Injured Reserve (IR) List, Injured Reserve with Return Designation

 

If the team decides to place a player on injured reserve, it must be a major injury. The NFL defines major injury as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks -- or 42 calendar days -- from the date of injury.

 

The NFL and the NFL Players Association agreed to a short-term IR rule change which took effect in 2012. This change allows one player (per team) to be activated from the IR list. Before the enactment of this rule, any player that was placed on the IR list was not eligible to play again for the same team in that season (regular season and postseason). Teams are only allowed one short-term IR move and once it is made, no other designation is possible.

So, while the NFL does not limit the number of players on the PUP or IR, the salary cap sets its own constraints. One of the reasons the salary cap came into effect is the alleged abuse of the IR list to get around the NFL roster limit. High revenue teams, like the Dallas Cowboys, allegedly had the ability to redshirt unlimited young players by claiming they were injured (when they weren't). Teams could place unlimited players on IR, thereby circumventing the roster limit.

The salary cap effectively curbed the abuse of limitless players on IR. However, another problem was created. As stated previously, those on IR receive full pay for the season (and it's counted against the cap), but are forbidden to dress again for the entire season. If a team believed the player could return that season, they had to keep the player on the 53-man roster (thereby occupying a precious roster spot). In this scenario, it is anything but a "level playing field" the NFL claims to be providing with these rules. This kind of occurrence is likely why the NFL and NFL Players Association came up with the player designation rule.

 

There has been a significant change to the designated for return list. Previously, a team had to declare a player “eligible to return” upon placing the player on injured reserve. Earlier this offseason, the NFL changed the rule so that teams can bring back one player from IR after the eight weeks, without declaring them eligible to return. So, if the team has to place three players on IR at some point, they can wait and see who appears closest to return. They can still only use the move once.

 

The player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on the IR list for at least six weeks from the date he was placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the active list if he has been on the IR list for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Injured Reserve.

 

This doesn't take into account the Bills Medical staff being held accountable so I don't think pegula can own both a hockey team and football team in the same market if they are within 90 miles of each other.

[White Linen]

 

But if we put Evander Kane on IR, then it will offset Sammy, and we can take him off too, because Pegula owns both franchises

 

That's not true because Kane hasn't been protected - yet anyway - from the expansion team going in Las Vegas. Once he's protected then what you say can happen after week 9.

[KDIGGZ]

isn't there a rule about having a player on the PUP list and one on the IR list at the same time on the same team?

No but I think there is a rule about owning a hockey team and a football team at the same time in the same city. Bills will probably move to Hamilton

[MarkyMannn]

Learn the Rules

 

Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) Rules

First, under the NFL Rules, there are two classifications of Physically Unable to Perform (PUP). There's the Active/PUP and the Reserve/PUP. Both PUP classifications are for football-related injuries.

The Active/PUP (Preseason PUP list) allows players who are unable to start training camp the ability to sit out until the medical staff provides clearance. Once they are medically cleared, they're allowed to practice immediately.

 

Second, there's the Reserve/PUP (regular season PUP list). Any player starting on the Active PUP list (and has not practiced) with the team becomes eligible for the Reserve/PUP at the end of training camp. Once a player practices during training camp, all PUP list options are off the table. If, during the season, a player sustains injury but practiced at camp, the PUP list is not an option. The team can keep the player on the roster, if they believe he will come back that season. But, the injured player is counted against the 53-man roster.

 

In the alternative, teams must go straight to the Injured Reserve list or waive the player. So, it means the 49ers are extremely cautious about letting any player practice, no matter how good he looks following an injury. When it comes to classifications, the difference is whether or not a player practices. Allowing a player to practice limits the options of the team. It can tie up roster spots and dollars.

It should be noted, ALL player salaries of a team count in calculating that team's total salary cap during the season. This includes players that are on Injured Reserve (IR), Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), and the Practice Squad (PS). The NFI requires some differentiation, which is made below.

 

If a player started on the Active/PUP list and isn't medically cleared by the end of the preseason, the 49ers may transfer any Active/PUP player to the Reserve/PUP.

 

These players are prevented from playing and practicing during the first six weeks of the season. What makes the Reserve PUP advantageous is that any player on the Reserve PUP list does not count against the 53-man roster. If a player isn't activated after the sixth week, the team has a six-week window (day after Week 6 to day after Week 11) to make a decision to: 1.) place the player on injured reserve; 2.) release the player; or 3.) get him back to practice. As soon as the player returns to practice, the team has another three-week window to add the player back to the 53-man roster, or place them on the Injured Reserve list.

 

Non-Football Injury (NFI) List

 

The NFL has a second injury list that is similar to the PUP list, but is based on different timing of injuries. The Non-Football Injury list has rules that closely adhere to those in the Active/PUP and Reserve/PUP, but it is classified differently. The most obvious inclusion would be injuries suffered off the football field (game AND practice fields). If a player gets hurt away from team activities, the team would be eligible to place him on the NFI list.

 

Additionally, a draft pick who sustained any injuries before being selected by his NFL team can be placed on this list. This covers ANY injury suffered before the draft, including injuries on the football field at the collegiate level.

One notable difference between the NFI and PUP lists is that the team has the right to not pay base salary to a player on the NFI list. The idea is that if a player suffered his injury outside the purview of the team, they should not be responsible for his salary. However, teams will often work out deals with NFI players to pay some or all of their salary when there is a common understanding about the injury. This is particularly true with players who the team knows will go on the NFI list upon arrival to the team.

 

Injured Reserve (IR) List, Injured Reserve with Return Designation

 

If the team decides to place a player on injured reserve, it must be a major injury. The NFL defines major injury as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks -- or 42 calendar days -- from the date of injury.

 

The NFL and the NFL Players Association agreed to a short-term IR rule change which took effect in 2012. This change allows one player (per team) to be activated from the IR list. Before the enactment of this rule, any player that was placed on the IR list was not eligible to play again for the same team in that season (regular season and postseason). Teams are only allowed one short-term IR move and once it is made, no other designation is possible.

So, while the NFL does not limit the number of players on the PUP or IR, the salary cap sets its own constraints. One of the reasons the salary cap came into effect is the alleged abuse of the IR list to get around the NFL roster limit. High revenue teams, like the Dallas Cowboys, allegedly had the ability to redshirt unlimited young players by claiming they were injured (when they weren't). Teams could place unlimited players on IR, thereby circumventing the roster limit.

The salary cap effectively curbed the abuse of limitless players on IR. However, another problem was created. As stated previously, those on IR receive full pay for the season (and it's counted against the cap), but are forbidden to dress again for the entire season. If a team believed the player could return that season, they had to keep the player on the 53-man roster (thereby occupying a precious roster spot). In this scenario, it is anything but a "level playing field" the NFL claims to be providing with these rules. This kind of occurrence is likely why the NFL and NFL Players Association came up with the player designation rule.

 

There has been a significant change to the designated for return list. Previously, a team had to declare a player “eligible to return” upon placing the player on injured reserve. Earlier this offseason, the NFL changed the rule so that teams can bring back one player from IR after the eight weeks, without declaring them eligible to return. So, if the team has to place three players on IR at some point, they can wait and see who appears closest to return. They can still only use the move once.

 

The player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on the IR list for at least six weeks from the date he was placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the active list if he has been on the IR list for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Injured Reserve.

Hope we aren't being tested on this

[YoloinOhio]

Can Watkins and Eichel both return from injury in the same season, since one is black and the other is white??

[K-9]

 

But if we put Evander Kane on IR, then it will offset Sammy, and we can take him off too, because Pegula owns both franchises

Exactly. In fact I cited this obscure rule up thread.

[bills7834]

I think he can come back before the Jacksonville game if we are playing an NFC team. I probably don't want him to come back for an NFC opponent because that gives us a better chance of winning. We all know beating NFC teams hurts our chances at making the playoffs.

[K-9]

Can Watkins and Eichel both return from injury in the same season, since one is black and the other is white??

No. Since Pegula owns two franchises in the same city, players from either team can only return from IR if they sustained their injuries in different cities, but outside of the Buffalo viewing area. I believe both Eichel and Sammy were injured here. So, no go.

[YoloinOhio]

No. Since Pegula owns two franchises in the same city, players from either team can only return from IR if they sustained their injuries in different cities, but outside of the Buffalo viewing area. I believe both Eichel and Sammy were injured here. So, no go.

crap. I was hoping to get this thread moved to PPP

[White Linen]

No. Since Pegula owns two franchises in the same city, players from either team can only return from IR if they sustained their injuries in different cities, but outside of the Buffalo viewing area. I believe both Eichel and Sammy were injured here. So, no go.

 

This is actually incorrect. Eichel and Sammy have Directv in their name at families houses they have gotten around the Buffalo viewing area rule.

[PromoTheRobot]

See below:

Yes, which is why Sammy is not eligible to return.

Sammy is eligible to come back but only for the Sabres. I hope he can skate.