BringBackOrton Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Hasn't it been roundly established and verified that no, no he would not. I don't think so. We've certainly heard evidence to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'm not really sure you watched the game last night..."heavy on the run", you did notice that 9 of the first 10 plays were passes, right? "Wentz is shaky"...really? After taking one big hit after another and standing in the pocket and delivering on time to his target, that's shaky? Man, I wish Buffalo's Offense and QB looked that "shaky"....sorry, I apologize for the tone of this statement but it just seems like these observations are really off the mark, IMHO....on the topic of Schwartz, he was a fantastic DC, and sadly, tainted by the inept Marrone, so that taint stayed with him in the new regime and he was discarded like the refuse Marrone truly was, when he should have gotten the job...again, IMO. LOL! Really? -Schwartz's D was the reason that team went 9-7 in the first place... No sane person would argue that... Calling him "tainted" couldn't be further off the mark... Calling the Pegulas "gullible" is a lot closer to the truth... As far as Wentz goes, I know what I saw... Two out of the three Philly TD's scored were run plays... And you're damn right he was shaky... However, he isn't making horrible mistakes... I suspect that's because he's not being asked to make a whole lot of decisions in this type of offense. -As it SHOULD be... Bottom line: Wentz is being brought along the correct way... PIT will show him some things he's never seen, but the run game is strong, and the D clearly has his back... He's on his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 LOL! Really? -Schwartz's D was the reason that team went 9-7 in the first place... No sane person would argue that... Calling him "tainted" couldn't be further off the mark... Calling the Pegulas "gullible" is a lot closer to the truth... As far as Wentz goes, I know what I saw... Two out of the three Philly TD's scored were run plays... And you're damn right he was shaky... However, he isn't making horrible mistakes... I suspect that's because he's not being asked to make a whole lot of decisions in this type of offense. -As it SHOULD be... Bottom line: Wentz is being brought along the correct way... PIT will show him some things he's never seen, but the run game is strong, and the D clearly has his back... He's on his way. Wentz has also had the luxury of playing against two of the worst teams in football. To his credit, he has looked good. But we don't know **** about how good he really is just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice2145 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Schwartz wouldn't have stayed on as Rex's DC. Period. We all know that. I never implied he would have taken the DC poistion with rex in charge. Without a doubt he would have taken the head coachin position. In hindsight, the ryan hiring looks to be another front office blunder. Furthering the losing culture. We as loyal.fans deserve a much better product... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) I don't think so. We've certainly heard evidence to the contrary.i missed the evidence - what was it? Not trying to sound snarky, I've really never heard any. Edited September 20, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) Hasn't it been roundly established and verified that no, no he would not. No it certainly hasn't. I have said previously that I know Jackson was interested in keeping him and had already spoken to Schwartz and was hopeful of making that happen. Do I know he definitely would have stayed? No I don't but I don't think anyone has "verified" that he would still have walked. There are reports out there to the contrary - including from Jackson himself. Edited September 20, 2016 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice2145 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 with the injuries we had last year he D would have stunk as well....this year can we get beyond the Browns and Bears. Revisit this is week 10[/quot I am not confident this defense will be any good in ten weeks. I dot share your optimism. Ryan run deenses haven't been good in years. Thurman is a rex puppet and rob is incompetent. That doesn't give me a promising outlook. Hope okinawa's am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 One of my partners is a big Eagles fan. His reaction this morning was: "I wonder if this is a result of playing two of the worst offenses in the league or are they really that good. We will find out against the Steelers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) No it certainly hasn't. I have said previously that I know Jackson was interested in keeping him and had already spoken to Schwartz and was hopeful of making that happen. Do I know he definitely would have stayed? No I don't but I don't think anyone has "verified" that he would still have walked. There are reports out there to the contrary - including from Jackson himself. Um, just because Jackson was interested in keeping him as DC has virtually no bearing on whether or not Schwartz was interested in staying as DC--which is the topic at hand. I have heard/read zero reports that indicated he was. Does anyone have a link to suggesting otherwise? Edited September 20, 2016 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Should have given him the HC job. He turned around a defense from one of the worst in the league to one of the very best. Pegula should have rewarded that success with a promotion and hired from within. Instead, he tried to make a big splash by getting the big name loud mouth to show he meant business. Players actually loved and respected Scwartz. Under Rex, players just like that they can get away with things and he's easy on them, which is often falsely portrayed to mean Rex is a "player's coach". No, he is just an undisciplined and loose coach, which is far worse than being a hardass disciplinarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Um, just because Jackson was interested in keeping him as DC has virtually no bearing on whether or not Schwartz was interested in staying as DC--which is the topic at hand. I have heard/read zero reports that indicated he was. Does anyone have a link to suggesting otherwise? Been through this before. He had a contract. The Bills had to want to let him go. Jackson didn't and after a chat with Schwartz was hopeful they could work together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 $ has a way of smoothing things out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Yes actually you would. It's why very few take your opinion seriously. Any move the organization makes or does that clearly demonstrates incompetence you spin and defend. Thank you for speaking for me....as if I cant speak for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Pegs had his opportunity to choose Marrone as his coach and he took a pass. Simple as that. All blame for losing Schwartz lies at the feet of the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Schwartz as HC with an offensive stud OC........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Schwartz as HC with an offensive stud OC........ Yeah, now that we've lost many of the key pieces for his 4-3 D, NOW let's go ahead and give him the HC nod. Don't get me wrong, I'd be in favor of it, but it would be such a Bills move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 i missed the evidence - what was it? Not trying to sound snarky, I've really never heard any. Someone had reported that Hue Jackson thought he had the Bills job and was making calls to line up his staff, one to Schwartz asking if he'd stay on as DC. But it's just a report, dunno what truth to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 I'll say it again: complex systems don't work under the new CBA, unless you have a roster full of veterans who know the systems already. Rex is a dinosaur. and HOFers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Seahawks tried to do real practice during OTAs, got spanked hard for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never NEVER Give-up Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 getting rid of Jim Schwartz was one of the worse mistakes bills made and they made a **** ton Yep - 2nd to only the firing of Wade Phillips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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