Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 This! Luck won't find much success in Indy until the owner fires the current GM and HC. That same GM is the same idiot who traded Jerry Hughes to Buffalo because he was a failed Polian draft pick and he is too stupid to build a proper line, run game and hire a top DC. Luck looked like the next Manning until Arians left for Arizona. The GM and HC are both terrible there. They let Arians walk and have just been patching holes for years, not really building anything. The Saints GM is another guy who I can't believe is still employed. Maybe they can try firing the OC They fired him last year. This guy is the replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 No running game No defense Bad coaching Played best D in the league. Last week, Luck looked great but his defense gave up a million to the freaking lions who turned around and scored 15 vs the Titans and lost. ^This. Luck is the classic case of a good player on an atrocious team; the Colts are a 1-2 win team without him. Great QBs can hide flaws, but no running game, no line, and a putrid D with so so WRs is not enough. Colts are wasting their Luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) ^This. Luck is the classic case of a good player on an atrocious team; the Colts are a 1-2 win team without him. Great QBs can hide flaws, but no running game, no line, and a putrid D with so so WRs is not enough. Colts are wasting their Luck... Matt Hasselbeck says hi from the old folks home. He said it seems like just last year when he won a bunch of games after Luck went down and had them loosely in a playoff hunt. Edited September 19, 2016 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Well at least the GM had a backup QB in Hasselbeck that won at a higher clip than the golden boy. How does that happen with a QB so amazingly great? Eh - they didn't really beat anyone of note. They did beat Houston - but that team had really questionable QB play for the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Why does everyone hate on Andrew Luck? I don't get it. If the bills had like Tom Brady or Big Ben I can understand why some of us would say he needs to improve, but in case you haven't noticed, the bills have not had a franchise quarterback in over 20 years... All he is done is been to the playoffs 4 out of 5 years and been to one AFC championship game at only 27 years old with virtually no talent and terrible coaching around him. What a loser eh?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Maybe they can try firing the OCthey did that last year and promoted the assistant HC, offense midseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Why does everyone hate on Andrew Luck? I don't get it. If the bills had like Tom Brady or Big Ben I can understand why some of us would say he needs to improve, but in case you haven't noticed, the bills have not had a franchise quarterback in over 20 years... All he is done is been to the playoffs 4 out of 5 years and been to one AFC championship game at only 27 years old with virtually no talent and terrible coaching around him. What a loser eh?... Dude I know the media spoon-feeds this and people eat it like when mom fed them strained carrots at age 2 but seriously? Been to the playoffs? There are things called divisions in football. The Colts are lucky enough to play in what has been the worst or one of the worst for almost a decade. I think Luck has two playoff wins IIRC. One where the Chiefs smashed them around then handed the game to them with 400 second half turnovers and one where they beat the perennial playoff powerhouse the Bengals. When they got in real games Luck threw about a million interceptions. The season opener against an average Bills team last year is a game almost all of us probably saw. He was healthy playing against a defense that has more than proven itself as terrible and yet he was overmatched badly. Most don't see him every week yet repeat the mantra of how great he is/will be. Even after giving of 40% of the defensive touchdowns IN THE LEAGUE yesterday he is above criticism. Please think for yourself. Edited September 19, 2016 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Even after giving of 40% of the defensive touchdowns IN THE LEAGUE yesterday he is above criticism. Who said he's above criticism? Yeah, he had a bad game. But you're not just talking about the game yesterday, you're appearing to say he's a bad QB, overall. That just isn't the case. If you keep persisting with this you'll get push back. And it's not because people can't "think for themselves." I've watched Luck a lot. He's a QB who ends up making more mistakes than he should because he tries to do too much, but I can't really fault him for it. If he played it safe and just "did his part" the team would have almost no chance to win. That is a bad team overall. Horrible OL. Decimated in the secondary by injury and a bad defense in general, even before the injuries. How you can put the L's on Luck is beyond me. A good QB can not do it all himself, despite what you might have heard from the experts. Try thinking for yourself Edited September 19, 2016 by MDH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 SDS ran out of storage for last year's excuses, so please put 2016's here. So far Kim Jung QB is 0-2. There were 5 defensive or special teams touchdowns in the entire league yesterday. 40% of them were gifts from the impervious one. I would take luck over any qb we've had in the last 10-15,maybe 20-25 yrs. That team is a no talent piece of crap. He can't throw it and catch it, he can't hand it off and block at the same time. Even Elway needed an actual team around him to win consistently. I'll take luck any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Why does everyone hate on Andrew Luck? I don't get it. If the bills had like Tom Brady or Big Ben I can understand why some of us would say he needs to improve, but in case you haven't noticed, the bills have not had a franchise quarterback in over 20 years... All he is done is been to the playoffs 4 out of 5 years and been to one AFC championship game at only 27 years old with virtually no talent and terrible coaching around him. What a loser eh?... I don't think they hate the guy so much as the fawning hype around the guy. When he came to the NFL people acted like he descended from heaven ready to win titles. When reality sets in people can't stop themselves with the "I told you so's." I would take luck over any qb we've had in the last 10-15,maybe 20-25 yrs. That team is a no talent piece of crap. He can't throw it and catch it, he can't hand it off and block at the same time. Even Elway needed an actual team around him to win consistently. I'll take luck any day. And this is the irony. Make Luck a Bill and he probably plays like every other sad sack QB we've had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 he's brett favre. tons of yards and tds but throws picks too. but needs the defense to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 they did that last year and promoted the assistant HC, offense midseason. In other words - mine turned out to be a very weak attempt at humor. Thanx for damaging my self esteem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 He's a good player on a bad team. Wins and losses are a team outcome. Dumb thread is dumb. Got to agree. Colts have a lot of problems, Luck isn't one of them. Stupid thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) SDS ran out of storage for last year's excuses, so please put 2016's here. So far Kim Jung QB is 0-2. There were 5 defensive or special teams touchdowns in the entire league yesterday. 40% of them were gifts from the impervious one. Personally, I've always thought Luck is Exhibit C (LuCk) for why drafting a "franchise" QB is not sufficient to turn a franchise around: you need to put a team around him, and you need good coaching. Exhibit "A" would be StAfford and Exhibit "B" would be, well, You know: the Vike's new QB. Edited September 19, 2016 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Who said he's above criticism? Yeah, he had a bad game. But you're not just talking about the game yesterday, you're appearing to say he's a bad QB, overall. That just isn't the case. If you keep persisting with this you'll get push back. And it's not because people can't "think for themselves." I've watched Luck a lot. He's a QB who ends up making more mistakes than he should because he tries to do too much, but I can't really fault him for it. If he played it safe and just "did his part" the team would have almost no chance to win. That is a bad team overall. Horrible OL. Decimated in the secondary by injury and a bad defense in general, even before the injuries. How you can put the L's on Luck is beyond me. A good QB can not do it all himself, despite what you might have heard from the experts. Try thinking for yourself Promo nails it when he says everyone acted like he descended from heaven. I'm not saying he is a completely terrible bad QB. I'm saying the hype was and is faaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr beyond the reality. He is always always always on a "top QB" list from any of the media giants but he has no results either as a team or as an individual that merit that. The team played better last year with Matt Hasselbeck, a 40-something now retired career decent QB, than with Luck. That is a fact. Meanwhile people "have their doubts" about guys like Wilson, Palmer, Eli and others who have done as much if not far more than Luck. Every time he loses or does something poorly there is an outpouring of excuses and this thread has already shown that. Last year's thread did too. It's only football but this cult of personality thing is unhealthy. FWIW I don't really think he brings any of this on himself. He appears to be a genuine and humble guy off the field and I have never seen him seem arrogant. From everything I've seen the kid say and how he approaches things I'd bet his self review would more resemble my thoughts than it would the kiss ups at the networks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Even though he went to Stanford, dude just looks like Gomer or Goober from Mayberry. I don't think he's too smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Dude I know the media spoon-feeds this and people eat it like when mom fed them strained carrots at age 2 but seriously? Been to the playoffs? There are things called divisions in football. The Colts are lucky enough to play in what has been the worst or one of the worst for almost a decade. I think Luck has two playoff wins IIRC. One where the Chiefs smashed them around then handed the game to them with 400 second half turnovers and one where they beat the perennial playoff powerhouse the Bengals. When they got in real games Luck threw about a million interceptions. The season opener against an average Bills team last year is a game almost all of us probably saw. He was healthy playing against a defense that has more than proven itself as terrible and yet he was overmatched badly. Most don't see him every week yet repeat the mantra of how great he is/will be. Even after giving of 40% of the defensive touchdowns IN THE LEAGUE yesterday he is above criticism. Please think for yourself. Think for myself? Lol, I can guarantee I watch more football than you, and this is based on my own opinion not the media's. I don't listen to those idiots. If you disagree with me and think Luck isn't good, fair enough everyone has their own opinions. But don't tell me to think for myself when I have seen him play pretty much every single week since his rookie year Edited September 19, 2016 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Matt Hasselbeck says hi from the old folks home. He said it seems like just last year when he won a bunch of games after Luck went down and had them loosely in a playoff hunt. That playoff hunt is very loosely. Guess Josh Freeman must be better too since Colts won a game with him, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 I can still see Luck winning a SB but he was insanely overrated. He loves throwing INts. That said, he has the nfls worst GM building his team so it's hard to judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 19, 2016 Author Share Posted September 19, 2016 Think for myself? Lol, I can guarantee I watch more football than you, and this is based on my own opinion not the media's. I don't listen to those idiots. If you disagree with me and think Luck isn't good, fair enough everyone has their own opinions. But don't tell me to think for myself when I have seen him play pretty much every single week since his rookie year You're entitled to your own opinion of course. Your original defense of Luck was that A. The Bills have had QBs that are worse so we can't say anything and B. Luck has made the playoffs a lot A. Luck's career has very little to do with the Bills. We have not had good QBs but that has no bearing on whether he is Joe Montana or Ryan Leaf or anywhere in between. Not a good argument. The only thing the Bills would have to do with it at all would be when Rex made him look like an idiot last year. If Rex makes you look like an idiot, well..... Even with that though, the Bills QBs have zero to do with anything. B. You did notice that he plays in a division featuring the Texans, Titans and Jags right? It's fine to defend him as some sort of great QB but at offer something about him. I'm sure you can understand based on your last argument why I thought you were just parting the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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