Freddie's Dead Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Fitz + Gailey + Good Defense = 9-7 and missed playoffs So... basically more of the same. It pains me to say this, but Fitz under Maroon instead of Orton? Maybe.... Certainly you don't get 3rd and pu$$y with Fitz against DEN. Edited September 13, 2016 by Freddie's Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Brutal. I wonder who had the most, probably Fitz I am assuming? As bad as Losman was, he got a few 300 yard games, he would randomly rip it the odd game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) If that money wasn't spent on RB's what QB's would you rather we went after in the last 16 years? It's easy to say that as a cop out but it's the entire philosophy of this team that is so far off basis that it's sickening. We don't have a QB so let's spend a crap load of money on RB's and try and lead the league in rushing. That clearly doesn't work unless your goal is to be .500 and just stay competitive. The plan should have been that since we have no QB let's tank and get one and keep drafting them until we get one. Clearly you can have a good running game but it means crap unless you have the QB. Using first round picks on McGahee, Marshawn, and Spiller and spending a boat load of money on McCoy isn't the answer and has sent us spiraling into the bowels of the NFL Edited September 13, 2016 by kdiggz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 wow we do stink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 We're not going to see any 300 yard throwing games under the current system/players. I'm not sure we'll see 300 yards total net O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Name two posters who say that. I don't have specifics nor the time to search through thousands of posts, but you don't think anyone has suggested ground and pound over the last few years due to average to below average QB play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadbeef Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Brutal. I wonder who had the most, probably Fitz I am assuming? As bad as Losman was, he got a few 300 yard games, he would randomly rip it the odd game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I believe about 5 of them are Fitzpatrick (3 of them losses) and 2 of them are Orton (both losses) Before we get too freaked out by this, please do consider that passing yards per game is not a statistic that's highly correlated with winning, nor is there anything magic about 300 yds which makes it better than 295 yards, other than being a nice round number. QB tend to air it out and sling it when their team is behind and they're trying to catch up, and D's tend to allow more yards when their team is ahead and they're playing prevent D. It does speak to the overall competence (or lack thereof) at our QB position, though, since we've certainly been in positions where come-from-behind was necessary a lot. Notwithstanding your analysis here, if we are to assume that good QBs throw for 300 yards or more often, and if the data is correct in showing that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the Bills leader in this metric since 2003, is it any wonder we perpetually suck? Ryan Fitzpatrick is a HORRIBLE quarterback and he was the best had in the last 13 years at least with regard to this statistic? J.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadbeef Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 I recall a game that losman struck two 83yd bombs to lee evans, evans had like 230yards receiving. One was stunning, like 75yds in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Its hard to win in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Just a quick note -- and I'm not suggesting it proves anything -- but Russell Wilson has 65 starts in the NFL and a grand total of five 300+ yard passing games. His career average is 219 yards/game. Again, just putting this out there for reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 And Derek Carr just had his eighth career 300yd passing game on Sunday. The Bills collective QB arsenal doesn't have many more since '03. Sometimes we struggle to comprehend just how awful this team has been for so long. That puts it in perspective. Just a quick note -- and I'm not suggesting it proves anything -- but Russell Wilson has 65 starts in the NFL and a grand total of five 300+ yard passing games. His career average is 219 yards/game. Again, just putting this out there for reference. That team is an outlier in today's NFL . But look at why: they had a young QB starting , a beast of an RB / OLine and a suffocating defense that tackled better than just about anyone. Most teams don't follow that blueprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Are we last in that time span? Is anybody worse? Thats gonna be hard to beat, 1 a year especially thinking about how many times we were behind and had to throw. Think garbage time stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) It's easy to say that as a cop out but it's the entire philosophy of this team that is so far off basis that it's sickening. We don't have a QB so let's spend a crap load of money on RB's and try and lead the league in rushing. That clearly doesn't work unless your goal is to be .500 and just stay competitive. The plan should have been that since we have no QB let's tank and get one and keep drafting them until we get one. Clearly you can have a good running game but it means crap unless you have the QB. Using first round picks on McGahee, Marshawn, and Spiller and spending a boat load of money on McCoy isn't the answer and has sent us spiraling into the bowels of the NFL No the cop out is naming names for your side but not being bold enough to say we should have spent the money on XYZ QB's. Now you're switching to draft picks? Which is it, spending money on RB's or drafting them? You're confusing yourself with not answering your own questions. Why would you're frustration be limited to RB's then? Very strange. Why not say we shouldn't spend money on corners, defensive ends or defensive tackles? I mean under your theory - just don't do that and get a QB. So easy, right? Edited September 14, 2016 by Triple Threat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Native American curse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 No the cop out is naming names for your side but not being bold enough to say we should have spent the money on XYZ QB's. Now you're switching to draft picks? Which is it, spending money on RB's or drafting them? You're confusing yourself with not answering your own questions. Why would you're frustration be limited to RB's then? Very strange. Why not say we shouldn't spend money on corners, defensive ends or defensive tackles? I mean under your theory - just don't do that and get a QB. So easy, right? I think he's saying both. First round picks have higher salaries than lower picks.....we spent a lot of first round picks and money on rbs. It's not a cop out it's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 No the cop out is naming names for your side but not being bold enough to say we should have spent the money on XYZ QB's. Now you're switching to draft picks? Which is it, spending money on RB's or drafting them? You're confusing yourself with not answering your own questions. Why would you're frustration be limited to RB's then? Very strange. Why not say we shouldn't spend money on corners, defensive ends or defensive tackles? I mean under your theory - just don't do that and get a QB. So easy, right? Oh boy. I'm saying it's the philosophy of the team that's out of whack. Putting a higher value on the RB position and saying lets be a running team instead of a passing team and spending a lot whether in draft or in salaries when it's been shown time and time again that a) RB's are a dime a dozen and b) it takes a QB to win in this league. I just named off 3 first round RB picks that should have been spent on a QB. Or use them as ammo to get a QB. Or tank and get the top pick. You can have the best running team in the league and it means jack if you don't have a QB so get one at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 That team is an outlier in today's NFL . But look at why: they had a young QB starting , a beast of an RB / OLine and a suffocating defense that tackled better than just about anyone. Most teams don't follow that blueprint. A couple of things... at no point in the Wilson era have Seattle had a beast of an offensive line, in fact it is an area that they have consistently scrimped and saved to pay the defense. Lynch and Wilson have covered many ills in that area. It is true that not many teams can follow that exact blue print but go and look at the teams that have gone deep in the playoffs the last 4 or 5 years.... New Englans who chuck it 40-50 times a game are actually the exception.... most of them run the ball and often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Was listening to the 550 morning show and they mentionned that since 2003 there have been over 1200 games where a QB has thrown for over 300 yards. How many of the 1200+ games to the Bills own? 13 Since 2003 a Bill QB has thrown 13 300 yard games. Or on average 1 per year. OUCH. Some day we will join the majors We are an embarrassing franchise. New owner, new GM, new coaches, new players, doesn't matter, same results. Not a new GM or Russident Hm. If he had an arm we would have had our guy We are still in the "let's see what Darcy can do under my watch" phase of Pegula ownership here. We need a bit more time before Pegula realizes he's surrounded by losers, it gets blown up, and he brings in a trusted old hand to pick us a high quality outsider who can build the program up from nothing. Not sure who will play the LaFontaine role here, but hopefully this is the last year we have to endure the Old Guard. An 0-4 start will be a good start. ALL THIS! I was hoping Pegs would have learned his lessons from the Sabres and avoided this mistake, but apparently not. It's easy to say that as a cop out but it's the entire philosophy of this team that is so far off basis that it's sickening. We don't have a QB so let's spend a crap load of money on RB's and try and lead the league in rushing. That clearly doesn't work unless your goal is to be .500 and just stay competitive. The plan should have been that since we have no QB let's tank and get one and keep drafting them until we get one. Clearly you can have a good running game but it means crap unless you have the QB. Using first round picks on McGahee, Marshawn, and Spiller and spending a boat load of money on McCoy isn't the answer and has sent us spiraling into the bowels of the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 13 of 1200 We are the 1% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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