RyanC883 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Rex and bis brother can look hard all they want from home looking at job ads. I hope your right. It's pretty fn clear that its Ryan and not the Players. Take a top 5 D and destroy it with your stupid scheme. If Ryan stays, Thurman must go. Pettine or Schwartz hired, and Rex told to HC and stay the F away from the D and personnel decisions. If Rex doesn't like it, too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 When the Pegulas wake up in the morning, they sneeze and hundreds of thousands of dollars land in their hankies. They could fire Rex and it would be like spare change. It's not the money. It's that they want to have a championship. They thought Rex was the right guy to bring that to the city. It's not the money. Hey, Rex might be the right guy. I like him as a leader. But I think the Pegs will hire somebody to take over. If Rex isn't willing to let go of the defense, he's got to go. We had a great defense with basically the same players. If anything, we have more talent now than last year. What we lack is Jim Schwartz and his leadership. If we had that right now, we'd be in the playoffs. Rex has to accept that. His defense has been the downfall of the team. Fix that, get a couple free agent OL, we good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) I never understood the czar hysteria. Each team should have one, isn't that the point of the GM. If you as team owner find yourself incompetent of making te right football decisions for your franchise, hire a president to preside over it all. Either way the answer is to step aside and let the football people do football things. If they fail find a new one, hire a consultant with whome you trust to find a new GM and get out of the way again. Having a guy act as the pen optic for the GM, ony says we don't have the right GM. If they start over ruling said GM in the draft, FA, and re-signings, aren't they then just the GM? It comes back to, for Terry, the Ted Black role. What was his job? Why have him? I always hated Terry's quote saying something like "Ted isn't the only one in the room with a hockey iq" (paraphrasing). He's got to do a better job of letting the sports people do their sports thing. A Csar only muddies the waters, and becomes a sounding board for outside (owner) influence. Edited December 21, 2015 by Mango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I never understood the czar hysteria. Each team should have one, isn't that the point of the GM. If you as team owner find yourself incompetent of making te right football decisions for your franchise, hire a president to preside over it all. Either way the answer is to step aside and let the football people do football things. If they fail find a new one, hire a consultant with whome you trust to find a new GM and get out of the way again. Having a guy act as the pen optic for the GM, ony says we don't have the right GM. If they start over ruling said GM in the draft, FA, and re-signings, aren't they then just the GM? Yep........If you don't want Whaley, fire him and hire another GM to run the football side....INCLUDING letting him choose the HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 3 Pro Bowl Defensive Lineman not good enough for ya? Apparently, not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quikchomp Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Not to be homophobic, but I always found him a little creepy after he kissed Kordell Stewart on the sideline. "not to be homophobic, but I am going to be completely homophobic." It's 2015....c'mon man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Ron Wolf or Pat Kirwan would be excellent consultants, as would Dan Reeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Yep........If you don't want Whaley, fire him and hire another GM to run the football side....INCLUDING letting him choose the HC When is the last time the Bills let their gm pick a coach? Again a problem with leadership. Edited December 21, 2015 by A Dog Named Kelso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 When is the last time the Bills let their gm pick a coach? Again a problem with leadership. I think Donahoe picked Greggo. That was a hoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 3 Pro Bowl Defensive Lineman not good enough for ya? can't say that anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 But his biggest flaw is that he doesn't make decisions quickly or makes them too quick. He's got two moves. Lock onto the first read and throw a 1-3 yard pass or wait 3-4 seconds for the deep ball. That won't cut it long term. Some of it is play calling too. How many slant routes have we seen Sammy run mid-field? I don't recall any. Anyway, on the fate of Rex and Whaley, I don't know how I feel. Whaley isn't calling plays. Should he be the fall guy for failed defensive schemes and play calling? I don't see how quite frankly. None the less, there's always going to be someone to blame. Rex won't be a 1-year and done coach here in Buffalo. I think there's almost no chance of that. The Pegula's would look like complete idiots if that were the case. It looks bad now, but I don't believe for a second that starting over completely is the answer. To your 1st point about TT, I'm choosing to be positive about his future. I think he had a really rough year, even when he had good stats in games, a lot was masked by Watkins being ridiculously good. Taylor wasn't horrible, but IMO he didn't play well, even when some fans were gushing over him. On the bright side, most of his faults are exactly what you expect from a rookie QB. He played better than most rookies, and should have given his time in the league, but all of the same problems you see in rookies (as you listed in your post) is what you saw in Taylor as a first time starter. At this moment, I think Taylor needs time to develop, just like any new QB. He's not losing us games, so he shouldn't be replaced. Let him grow in the position. As for what's going to happen to leadership, the one thing that I want is for the Pegula's to name one person to oversee all football operations; and let's not be too tricky here and just call the person the GM, mmmkay? I've been vocal that I think Whaley has done a very good job here overall, and I think he's the best person for the job. But if the Pegula's disagree fine, just find the best person for the job, give them control and move on. None of this, "the coach doesn't report to the GM" BS. IMO, the biggest mistake has already been made, and that's Terry and Kim's insistence on picking the head coach. I don't agree with firing a coach after 1 season, but T&K need to admit they made a mistake and let their GM do whatever needs to be done in order to move on, whether that be keeping Rex or not. Now people want an intermediary to go between the GM and coach? What??? Just let the GM pick his guy to begin with and there's no need for another layer of managerial nonsense! I think this whole Whaley bashing is just taking the easy way out. You want to bash him for Manuel? Who would he have drafted in that draft that was better? Geno Smith? Mike Glennon? It was the worst QB draft in a long time and it just happened to coincide with when the Bills and Nix decided they needed to draft a QB...bad timing. We sit here and say the Bills could have drafted a franchise QB but yet there were none available to be drafted in that draft...People also forget about Nix's recorded phone call. There was basically no choice for the Bills but to draft a QB high. For the record, I still would have taken Barkley over Manuel, not that it's worth much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @JaySkurski Ryan says the #Bills will "look hard" in the offseason whether his scheme needs to be adjusted, or players that fit it better are needed. That is the part that is most frustrating to me. How many times have we had to go through a 3 year transition to find players that fit a new scheme - only to move on to the next regime/scheme rinse and repeat. The real tragedy in this case of course is you already had the scheme AND the players that fit - and now you ruined that. Even someone like Mario - they can cast him off and say he was a useless malcontent now, but if he was in the same role/scheme as last year he might have played at Pro Bowl level again this year. Think of all it took to get him - and now he's been relegated to being disposable. WHY WOULD YOU DISMANTLE A TOP DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE JUST FOR YOUR STUPID SCHEME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @SalSports Rex: "Absolutely, 100%" he and Doug Whaley get along. Says he has great respect for him and believes feeling is mutual which is why i think Russ Brandon is the source of the "rogue" comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @JaySkurski Ryan says the #Bills will "look hard" in the offseason whether his scheme needs to be adjusted, or players that fit it better are needed. Nothing like waiting to "look hard" at something that should have been a no-brainer a year ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 On the bright side, most of his faults are exactly what you expect from a rookie QB. He played better than most rookies, and should have given his time in the league, but all of the same problems you see in rookies (as you listed in your post) is what you saw in Taylor as a first time starter. Probably because he's not a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 The Legend of Doug Whaley > The Legend of Kiko Alonzo. He's had his moments, taken some risks, and made a lot of the kind of moves we as fans have wanted to see for a while, but he's done nothing worthy of the praise he gets from the fans (or at least a sizeable chunk of the fan base.) The extent to which people go to defend him is amusing too. I get that Rex has been a disappointment, but to hear some of you talk one would think he'd taken over a dominating squad rather than a glorified .500 team. He took over a 9-7 squad with a top 5 defense, which added a DROY candidate, a perennial pro bowl running back, an outstanding tight end and a marginally better QB with exceptional mobility. He coached that same squad into a 6 or 7 win team. Perhaps Whaley missed the mismatch between the roster and Rex Ryan's scheme and should have been the one to blow up the defensive roster... But Rex has a hand in that too for refusing to adapt to the talent. The praise he has earned is deserved in contrast to his predecessors. While not perfect, and certainly not the NFLs best GM, and given that he is horrendous in front of a microphone or camera, he's the best GM in buffalo since the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @JaySkurski Ryan says the #Bills will "look hard" in the offseason whether his scheme needs to be adjusted, or players that fit it better are needed. I could have sworn several times throughout the course of the season he said he was going to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Probably because he's not a rookie.Did you not read the next 9 words? Edited December 21, 2015 by Acantha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 That is the part that is most frustrating to me. How many times have we had to go through a 3 year transition to find players that fit a new scheme - only to move on to the next regime/scheme rinse and repeat. The real tragedy in this case of course is you already had the scheme AND the players that fit - and now you ruined that. Even someone like Mario - they can cast him off and say he was a useless malcontent now, but if he was in the same role/scheme as last year he might have played at Pro Bowl level again this year. Think of all it took to get him - and now he's been relegated to being disposable. WHY WOULD YOU DISMANTLE A TOP DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE JUST FOR YOUR STUPID SCHEME!!!! Nothing like waiting to "look hard" at something that should have been a no-brainer a year ago... Rex is a defensive genius right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 @JaySkurski Ryan says the #Bills will "look hard" in the offseason whether his scheme needs to be adjusted, or players that fit it better are needed. Just need Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and his scheme works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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