Doug Flutie Band Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I didn't know the intentional bat rule to be honest. Apparently tonight's officials didn't know the rule, either. Sucks for Detroit, should have been 1st and goal from one foot out. Total fail by the officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Why should that even be a penalty. If he had just grabbed the ball wouldn;t the outcome have been the same? Or if he had not batted it, it was going out of bounds anyway. Same result--touchback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I don't think that rule applies. Only applies if you bat it towards your goal line. Seahawks batted backward out of the end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Why should that even be a penalty. If he had just grabbed the ball wouldn;t the outcome have been the same? Or if he had not batted it, it was going out of bounds anyway. Same result--touchback. It's a rule because it is much easier to bat the ball out than to gain possession of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 League admits it should have been called. Lots of good that does the Lions. Same corner as the Fail Mary play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmu1977 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 There are the refs determing the outcome of the game on monday night football. Way to go NFL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzu Bill Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Would have been a bummer to have had money on the lions today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Good thing they aren't replacement refs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy McFiddish Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Too bad the expert ref was not in the box to buzz down to them. I feel bad for the cheerleader that was hit in the leg with the ball because Calvin Johnson kicked it in disgust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) I don't care if it should be a rule or not. It is and should be enforced. The Seahawks continue to be the squireliest team in the NFL. Does anyone know of another NFL team that has won 2 games in the last 3 years due to blatent blown ref calls? Edited October 6, 2015 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 It's a rule because it is much easier to bat the ball out than to gain possession of it. I think the rule is designed to prevent a player from batting a ball forward in order to gain yardage basically. I could be wrong, but the formulation of the rule I have seen doesn't seem to prevent batting the ball backwards, which is what the Seahawks did (considering they were in their own end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The league reviews scoring plays in the endzone and all turnovers, but that wasn't reviewable. That's crazy. It's a fumble and the other team got it. It's a turnover! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I think the rule is designed to prevent a player from batting a ball forward in order to gain yardage basically. I could be wrong, but the formulation of the rule I have seen doesn't seem to prevent batting the ball backwards, which is what the Seahawks did (considering they were in their own end zone. If you say so. They showed the rule and it said a player can't bat the ball out of either EZ if the ball is loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 If you say so. They showed the rule and it said a player can't bat the ball out of either EZ if the ball is loose. I was just reading it on pft, and I was wrong. You are right. I swore though that the rule was worded differently a few years ago; will try to dig it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I think it's also in place so if there is a free ball in the end zone with offense and defense players all around, the defense can't take the easy route and knock it out of the end zone to prevent an offensive player from recovering for a TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) The whole touchback rule should be changed either way. If a player fumbles a ball out of bounds, the ball is returned to the team that last had possession at the spot of the fumble. Why should it be different fumbling into the endzone? They really need to change that. Edited to add: why should the defense benefit when they did not or could not recover the ball? Edited October 6, 2015 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The league reviews scoring plays in the endzone and all turnovers, but that wasn't reviewable. That's crazy. It's a fumble and the other team got it. It's a turnover! It was inside 2 minutes and isn't it considered a turnover? Aren't all turnovers reviewed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Here's the rule: A player may not bat or punch: (a) A loose ball (in field of play) toward his opponent’s goal line or in any direction in either end zone. Seems pretty cut and dried. Seahawks squirrel out again due to refs (and players) not knowing the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirPorl Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) How many flags would the Bills D get called for on that play? Edited October 6, 2015 by SirPorl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 It was inside 2 minutes and isn't it considered a turnover? Aren't all turnovers reviewed? Apparently, only the turnover itself is review-able, and not the rest of the play. The NFL needs its whole system of officiating blown up. Along with the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Apparently, only the turnover itself is review-able, and not the rest of the play. The NFL needs its whole system of officiating blown up. Along with the rulebook. I totally agree. The NFL rulebook is ridiculous. A person shouldn't need a law degree to understand the rules of any game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 How many flags would the Bills D got called for on that play? Well, at least a couple, because if it was Jerry Hughes or Preston Brown, they would have deemed their menacing behavior to constitute unsportsmanlike conduct. At which point, they would have suspended the "half the distance rule," given Calvin Johnson credit for going 15 yards into the endzone and thus crediting the Lions with two touchdowns. I think I'm getting over the officiating pretty well, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I don't think that rule applies. Only applies if you bat it towards your goal line. Seahawks batted backward out of the end zone. No it definitely does. Dean Blandino and Jerry Markbreit both confirmed it was a blown call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouijaman Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 First of all, it's a stupid rule. No one but KJ Wright was anywhere near the ball, certainly not any Lions. Had there been a Lions player in the vicinity and KJ batted it out of the end zone to prevent a TD, it should have been a penalty. Second, and more importantly: How many games this season haven't been decided by the officials? This league blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirPorl Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Well, at least a couple, because if it was Jerry Hughes or Preston Brown, they would have deemed their menacing behavior to constitute unsportsmanlike conduct. At which point, they would have suspended the "half the distance rule," given Calvin Johnson credit for going 15 yards into the endzone and thus crediting the Lions with two touchdowns. I think I'm getting over the officiating pretty well, don't you? Rex may have used to some ungentlemanly language on the sidelines and hurt a refs feelings. That will get ya 15 yards right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Robot refs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Rex may have used to some ungentlemanly language on the sidelines and hurt a refs feelings. That will get ya 15 yards right there It was comical to see how upset the ref was during the Pats** game. The guy closest to Rex looked like he was peeing his pants...then he threw the flag. It obviously had the look of a rookie who couldn't handle the pressure and overreacted. I don't think I've ever seen a flag thrown on a coach like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirPorl Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) The NFL needs to do something and close the consistency gap with the flags. It is looking more and more rigged every week. It was comical to see how upset the ref was during the Pats** game. The guy closest to Rex looked like he was peeing his pants...then he threw the flag. It obviously had the look of a rookie who couldn't handle the pressure and overreacted. I don't think I've ever seen a flag thrown on a coach like that. I could see if Rex ran onto the field but he didn't. I can't recall a flag like that either. Rex did get fined bigtime last year by the league for swearing at officials so maybe they can throw a flag at him now for hurting their delicate feelings. Edited October 6, 2015 by SirPorl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Robot refs? What they really need to do is put a goPro on every ref's head. Then, they can add an out-of-shape ref who knows the rules for every mobile ref who can run with the play. That way, we get the best of both worlds. Besides, the guys on the field already have those Inspector Gadget headsets running. Who cares if they are getting corrections from HQ in NYC. The only people that will be upset by that will be the bookies and we know that the NFL doesn't have any connections to gambling...only FanDuel and DraftKings...and they aren't gambling... really it's not gambling...seriously...and it doesn't make a difference in our games anyhow...really...Roger means it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 It was inside 2 minutes and isn't it considered a turnover? Aren't all turnovers reviewed? Would require calling a penalty to overturn it is the issue- right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Would require calling a penalty to overturn it is the issue- right? Batting it out of the EZ IS a penalty. Edited October 6, 2015 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Batting it out of the EZ IS a penalty.Right, and in a review you can't call a penalty so how do you get the turnover overturned is my point. Essentially the ref can't throw the flag, and the ball did go out of bounds, so short of "but come on guys" there's not a lot he could say to change the ruling Edited October 6, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The officiating in the NFL is a joke, and has been for many years now. The two most inconsistent/unfair/fixed infractions are holding and pass interference. But as long as fans keep going to the games, and people keep watching on tv, and fans keep buying NFL gear, nothing will ever change. As Bills fans, we all know that it is very frustrating to watch, but it is also frustrating for every fan who just wants to see a sense of fairness and equality in the judging of a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 @Deadspin Seahawks beat Lions after refs miss easy illegal batting call: http://deadsp.in/82oLoJu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I totally agree. The NFL rulebook is ridiculous. A person shouldn't need a law degree to understand the rules of any game. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d80aeabaf/article/hochuli-devastated-following-blown-call at least he admitted to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The NFL needs to do something and close the consistency gap with the flags. It is looking more and more rigged every week. I could see if Rex ran onto the field but he didn't. I can't recall a flag like that either. Rex did get fined bigtime last year by the league for swearing at officials so maybe they can throw a flag at him now for hurting their delicate feelings. I don't know about rigged, but I've always thought that some refs have at least a subconscious bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 League admits it should have been called. Lots of good that does the Lions. Same corner as the Fail Mary play. That is a huge miss so now you have to wonder should it be reviewable. Is it subject to challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Would require calling a penalty to overturn it is the issue- right? Yeah, my bad. Angry at myself because as I watched the play my first thought was "you can't do that!" But, not one word from anyone on the booth or sideline and I assumed that they changed the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutie Flakes Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 When are suspensions and fines going to be handed out to refs that are just plain bad at what they do. How about terminating their employment??? For the life of me, I cannot understand how this continues to happen. The game is on the line and the "blown call" clearly effected the outcome and the $(#(#* refs don't know the rules. Really???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 What this league needs to do is to change………..the extra point! Time well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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