TSOL Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Like I believe anything Brady or the Patriots say. But I don't really trust the NFL, either. Meh. What does Matt Cassel have to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 That's what I find most puzzling. This ruling just compromised CBA's at every level, in every industry. Am I wrong? Not quite. The NFL's CBA is different, because the disciplinary section is almost complete bull ****. This decision is just another in a series of decisions whereby the NFLPA is trying to fix the mess they didn't negotiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Like I believe anything Brady or the Patriots say. But I don't really trust the NFL, either. Meh. this isnt about whether he did it - its about his legal teams interpretation of the cba and the judge seemingly agreeing with their points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 This is like the OJ case to me. Clear to pretty much everyone that he did it and the authorities botched so many things up that they let him off on a series of technicalities. I will have to see what the actual ruling is though and what the legal minds explain. The OJ case had jury nullification. This one didn't. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Cold! @sportspickle: .@Colts Here's a new banner for you guys to use! Congrats! https://t.co/hV70gLzceHhttp://t.co/UkGXVKK8Zq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Will play vs Steelers but if NFL appeals Buffalo will be first game of his suspension, correct?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Cold! @sportspickle: .@Colts Here's a new banner for you guys to use! Congrats! https://t.co/hV70gLzceHhttp://t.co/UkGXVKK8Zq Damn!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Not quite. The NFL's CBA is different, because the disciplinary section is almost complete bull ****. This decision is just another in a series of decisions whereby the NFLPA is trying to fix the mess they didn't negotiate. That was precisely my read on this. They let these things go during the lockout in favor of things they DID want. But that's not how negotiations work!? (meaning you can't double back) Edited September 3, 2015 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 this isnt about whether he did it - its about his legal teams interpretation of the cba and the judge seemingly agreeing with their points. So, theres officially no punishment allowed for cheating, because the CBA is vague or there is no precedent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Will play vs Steelers but if NFL appeals Buffalo will be first game of his suspension, correct?? No. Appeals process could take months. Any actual suspension would happen either later in the season or potentially the post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 What we really need to know now is how much weight the deflator lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 What a mess. Every time I think about the process this song plays in my head: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Oh come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBilz Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Just goes to show "Cheaters Prosper". Let's just put the hurt on the "Cheatriots" in Wk 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Having not read the CBA or the opinion I can't comment on the legal aspect, but I think the outcome is just for 2 reasons: 1. "More likely than not" is a bull **** standard for imposing penalties. 2. Underinflating footballs isn't that big of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The OJ case had jury nullification. This one didn't. Big difference. That doesn't enter into my analogy though. It's very clear he cheated. It's very clear the authorities overplayed their power and botched the aftermath a few if not several different ways and the end result is a guilty person getting away with something not based on guilt but on mistakes made that were unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 So if you cheat hard enough and lie big enough and whine loud enough, you get what you want. Pats** have earned another asterisk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Mud Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Anyone else so sick of all of this? It's over, move on. If the Bills really want to be legitimate, beat the Pats with Brady at QB. Cheaters gonna cheat, haters gonna hate, and players gonna play. Let's take this division the right way, by beating the tar out our division rivals. He might be able to play now because of the ruling, but hopefully our defense will make him second guess that decision when he's pulling his teeth off the turf at the Ralph! Smile now pretty boy, Karma will get ya eventually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Cossack is one of the best legal minds around. He basically said the CBA gave Goodell leeway with punishment, Berman just said, basically, that's not fair. Regardless of the process, the bungling, and whatever else the NFL may have done, it appears all was within the CBA's language. So this ruling appears to suggest that this and many other collectively bargained agreements that allow punishment to be meted out by management, even when there is no guidelines for the punishment are unfair and the power granted isn't fair. Seems like a major win for those with CBAs in any industry. We'll see what the appeal says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 So do the 2 equipment guys get their job back with the Pats************* now? CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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