K-9 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Doug Whaley: “That’s an interesting question. I think the way we look at it is there’s going to be disagreements, and you want that. You want internal debate, external unity. Does it go to Terry? Does it go to Kim? Does it go to Russ? Wherever it goes, as long as it’s the best decision for the Buffalo Bills,” Whaley said, via John Kryk of Sun Media. “I didn’t get into this to have power, or to have ego. I got into this to win championships. So every decision we’re going to come to agreement on is based on, ‘Is this going to help us win a championship?’ I know [Ryan’s] goal is to win a championship. If he thinks that’s the best decision, then I’m fully behind it. I’m going to stock the cupboard for him, and let him pull down and make whatever he wants to make. And whatever it is is going to be successful.” If others want to argue semantics, fine, but in the interest of clarification and in the hopes of ending the incessant "Whaley's Ego Cut Freddy" arguments, I thought I'd start a thread for the discussion on where Whaley's job ends and Ryan's begins. Whaley provides 90 players with input from the coaches. The coaches pare that down to 53, with input from Whaley and others including pro personnel, trainers, and medical staff. Ryan, with input from others coaches, decides who goes on the practice squad, and which players sit on a week to week basis. Make no mistake, Whaley was certainly consulted on the decision to cut one of the most popular players in team history, but it was the coaching staff that made the decision to cut him. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 "Does it go to....Kim"????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 This has Littman written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 This has Littman written all over it. hes not even with the team anymore, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Doug Whaley: If others want to argue semantics, fine, but in the interest of clarification and in the hopes of ending the incessant "Whaley's Ego Cut Freddy" arguments, I thought I'd start a thread for the discussion on where Whaley's job ends and Ryan's begins. Whaley provides 90 players with input from the coaches. The coaches pare that down to 53, with input from Whaley and others including pro personnel, trainers, and medical staff. Ryan, with input from others coaches, decides who goes on the practice squad, and which players sit on a week to week basis. Make no mistake, Whaley was certainly consulted on the decision to cut one of the most popular players in team history, but it was the coaching staff that made the decision to cut him. GO BILLS!!! It is a no-brainer. I know there are some teams where owner, and GM meddle (Dallas), but it is a clear line for most teams, and sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 hes not even with the team anymore, is he? I think he meant to say Overdorf. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 hes not even with the team anymore, is he? That was the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 "Does it go to....Kim"????? At the risk of feeding a troll, I'm sure that the Pegulas were informed before anyone else. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 This has Littman written all over it. Long gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 At the risk of feeding a troll, I'm sure that the Pegulas were informed before anyone else. GO BILLS!!! point missed, but thanks for the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 That was the joke. Thank God, you scared me for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Everybody has got a little plausible deniability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 point missed, but thanks for the obvious. I take missing your points as a badge of honor. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 That was the joke. I laughed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I take missing your points as a badge of honor. GO BILLS!!! Clearly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 This has Littman written all over it. Buddy, per usual, asleep at the wheel! At least no one has blamed Russ Brandon for this...YET... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Buddy, per usual, asleep at the wheel! At least no one has blamed Russ Brandon for this...YET... Damn it Russ Brandon! Always screwing this team up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Buddy, per usual, asleep at the wheel! At least no one has blamed Russ Brandon for this...YET... Damn it Russ Brandon! Always screwing this team up. Was just thinking the same thing. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpunkysSD Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 This has Louis Litt written all over it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsxfirefighter Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 This has Louis Litt written all over it!!! well if thats the case, they definitely would have kept Fitzpatrick forever as he went to Harvard!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 At the risk of feeding a troll, I'm sure that the Pegulas were informed before anyone else. GO BILLS!!! That's clearly the way to do it - inform your bosses before you announce the decision. I'd hope they'd also have the decency to tell Fred immediately after the Pegulas. I can see how people would think Whaley would want this because he traded for Bryce, but Doug's not an idiot. I'm sure he knows what Fred means to the players and fans and given Brown's fumbling technique, he better be right about this. They also better make the playoffs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 That's clearly the way to do it - inform your bosses before you announce the decision. I'd hope they'd also have the decency to tell Fred immediately after the Pegulas. I can see how people would think Whaley would want this because he traded for Bryce, but Doug's not an idiot. I'm sure he knows what Fred means to the players and fans and given Brown's fumbling technique, he better be right about this. They also better make the playoffs now. I'm not convinced Brown survives next week's cuts. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 "Does it go to....Kim"????? If the decision goes to Terry, why not to Kim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 That's clearly the way to do it - inform your bosses before you announce the decision. I'd hope they'd also have the decency to tell Fred immediately after the Pegulas. I can see how people would think Whaley would want this because he traded for Bryce, but Doug's not an idiot. I'm sure he knows what Fred means to the players and fans and given Brown's fumbling technique, he better be right about this. They also better make the playoffs now. well, to be fair, I don't think FJax was going to be the key between making and missing the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I'm not convinced Brown survives next week's cuts. GO BILLS!!! I hope he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 If the decision goes to Terry, why not to Kim? She didn't pick the shale well sights, doc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 She didn't pick the shale well sights, doc.... That's not her forte. Neither is football for Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 That's not her forte. Neither is football for Terry. Not really the point. But as to your point, neither is she. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Whaley built this Playoff calibre roster. Stacked with talent, from what I can see. Looking forward to see what Ryan can do with it. Edited August 31, 2015 by mastershake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCD Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I think this thread is very unfair to the Whaley bashers. To make it more convenient, I will propose that Whaley himself called the OP and told him to post this. Its his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Not really the point. But as to your point, neither is she. No, that is the point. Neither is a football expert. But they're the owners, both of them, so they get to make decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Whaley built this Playoff calibre roster. Stacked with talent, from what I can see. Looking forward to see what Ryan can do with it. Whether plays a role like John Schneider does in Seattle. The HC tells him what he's looking for and Whaley provides options. I think more often than not Rex is making decisions, notably the trade of a Whaley pick (Alonso) for their starting RB (McCoy). The team is being built to Rex's standards not Whaley's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Whether plays a role like John Schneider does in Seattle. The HC tells him what he's looking for and Whaley provides options. I think more often than not Rex is making decisions, notably the trade of a Whaley pick (Alonso) for their starting RB (McCoy). The team is being built to Rex's standards not Whaley's. You act as though this is some sort of revelation, when in reality Rex's and Whaley's standards are perfectly aligned. One could say the team is being built to Whaley's standards and be just as accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Long gone Too bad the same can't be said for some of these posters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Whether plays a role like John Schneider does in Seattle. The HC tells him what he's looking for and Whaley provides options. I think more often than not Rex is making decisions, notably the trade of a Whaley pick (Alonso) for their starting RB (McCoy). The team is being built to Rex's standards not Whaley's. Much of the core of skill players is Whaley. Let's see what Rex can do with the ingredients. We have an exciting roster, we need playoffs this year. Whaley owns the restaurant, he hired Ryan to be the head chef. Edited August 31, 2015 by mastershake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Whaley is in charge of the top 53. However, it is a collaborative effort and move doesn't get made if everyone from ownership on down didn't sign off on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Buddy, per usual, asleep at the wheel! At least no one has blamed Russ Brandon for this...YET... he was blamed in the Fred released thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDS73 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Let's be honest. There's no way Jackson is getting cut unless Rex wants it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 They wanted to release Fred earlier in the year but the Pegulas stepped in and prevented it. I think they finally caved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Doug Whaley: If others want to argue semantics, fine, but in the interest of clarification and in the hopes of ending the incessant "Whaley's Ego Cut Freddy" arguments, I thought I'd start a thread for the discussion on where Whaley's job ends and Ryan's begins. You can't, It's powered by Gamma rays and is immune to logic, reason, and facts. They wanted to release Fred earlier in the year but the Pegulas stepped in and prevented it. I think they finally caved. I know this theory is also immune to the facts (and gets regurgitated as if it was one), but it was just that, and several here with some inside access denied it. Edited September 1, 2015 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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