Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 There has been a lot of discussion about who will make the 53 man roster, and I have even questioned others about my concerns related to keeping 3 QB's. After much thought, I decided to "put my money where my mouth is," and use my 5,000th post to post my final 53. (2) QB: EJ Manuel, Tyrod Taylor * Yeah, I know....Matt Cassel is starting the first pre-season game. I don't care. IMO...he is not better than EJ or TT, and the thought of him being our starting QB gives me nightmares. Simms to the PS. I know I am going to take a lot of abuse for this. (4) RB: LeSean McCoy, Fred Jackson, Karlos Williams, Boobie Dixon * Bryce Brown fumbles too much. No shocker here to most. (1) FB: Jerome Felton (6) WR: Sammy Watkins, Percy Harvin, Robert Woods, Marcus Easley, Chris Hogan, Marquise Goodwin * I went back and forth between Goodwin and Thigpen about a hundred times here, and I think they keep Goodwin ultimately. (4) TE: Charles Clay, Marquise Gray, Nick O'Leary, Chris Gragg * Gragg, IMO, has done enough to earn that 4th spot, and I don't think they risk putting O'Leary on the PS. (3) OT: Cordy Glenn, Seantrel Henderson, Cyrus Kouandjio (1) OC: Eric Wood (4) OG: Ritchie Incognito, John Miller, Kraig Urbik, Cyril Richardson (4) DE: Mario Williams, Jerry Hughes, Jarius Wynn, Michael Buchanan (5) DT: Marcell Dareus, Kyle Williams, Stefan Charles, Corbin Bryant, Alex Carrington (5) LB: Nigel Bradham, Preston Brown, Ty Powell, Manny Lawson, Randell Johnson * I wanted so badly to keep Steward here, but just couldn't fit him in. Hopefully we can stash him on the PS. (6) CB: Stephon Gilmore, Leodis McKelvin, Ron Darby, Nickell Robey, Ron Brooks, Mario Butler * Cockrell has looked like crap, and Mario Butler seems to be making plays all over the field. (4) S: Aaron Williams, Duke Williams, Corey Graham, Jonathan Meeks (1) K: Dan Carpenter (1) K/O: Jordan Gay * I went back and forth on keeping Gay, but given Carpenter's boo-boo, I think it's crucial to keep him. (1) P: Colton Schmidt (1) LS: Garrison Sanborn Feedback welcome....I can handle it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Congrats on the 5K post! I like the roster! CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 This would be how I write it, only thing I may change is dropping brooks for Cassell. Graham could always slide to cb in a real emergency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think Cassel makes it regardless and I don't know if they will keep 3 QBs but if they do, brooks or butler get cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think I disagree on Goodwin. He's had too many drops in TC to forgive his poor production last season. I would have disagreed on Gragg, were it not for his TC performance. I believe that we are going to carry two fullbacks-- Felton, and Connor. Weird, I know, but it wouldn't be the first time Rex has had two fullbacks on the roster, and he LOVES Connor. Another thing that wouldn't surprise me: If they can find a trade partner for EJ, and Simms is still PS eligible (I think he is?), I could see us with two QBs-- Cassel/Taylor-- with Simms on PS (Break Glass In Case Of Emergency). I think Cassel makes it regardless and I don't know if they will keep 3 QBs but if they do, brooks or butler get cut. Brooks, imo. I think a lot of people believe Butler has a lot of potential/high ceiling. I agree completely on Cassel. I believe he is as close to a lock on the position as we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Can't argue with much of anything, I like your logic and feel that the actual roster will be pretty darn close to what you have here.Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 This would be how I write it, only thing I may change is dropping brooks for Cassell. Graham could always slide to cb in a real emergency You make a good point here, but I would consider ditching Brooks for Thigpen or Steward/Tarpley. Still not a fan of keeping Cassel. Can't argue with much of anything, I like your logic and feel that the actual roster will be pretty darn close to what you have here. Well done! Thanks!! I think I disagree on Goodwin. He's had too many drops in TC to forgive his poor production last season. I would have disagreed on Gragg, were it not for his TC performance. I believe that we are going to carry two fullbacks-- Felton, and Connor. Weird, I know, but it wouldn't be the first time Rex has had two fullbacks on the roster, and he LOVES Connor. Another thing that wouldn't surprise me: If they can find a trade partner for EJ, and Simms is still PS eligible (I think he is?), I could see us with two QBs-- Cassel/Taylor-- with Simms on PS (Break Glass In Case Of Emergency). I gave Goodwin the edge purely because he is always a home run threat. The defense HAS to respect him when he is on the field. I can't imagine them keeping Connor given that he has been injured so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontario51 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 5K congrats, pretty good lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Great post, Hammersticks. I think they keep (3) QBs (EJ, Cassel, Taylor - in that order) and drop either O'Leary or Gragg. As long as Sanborn is there, I'm good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Manhertz seems to be in play to make the roster. Gragg has been name dropped plenty in TC, though, so I don't know what to make of it. Steward seems like a good PS candidate, along with Dez or one of those other WRs stepping up in TC. Goodwin makes the team for the deep threat. He's shown good hands in years past, not sure what's up with him in camp. I am awaiting to see how they play some of the injuries. And as for Dareus and his suspension, one player gets to make the squad at least for week 1. Carrington gets to suit up on account of this, but I wonder if they keep him after that. Good ST player and versatile, but DL depth is just too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 Manhertz seems to be in play to make the roster. Gragg has been name dropped plenty in TC, though, so I don't know what to make of it. Steward seems like a good PS candidate, along with Dez or one of those other WRs stepping up in TC. Goodwin makes the team for the deep threat. He's shown good hands in years past, not sure what's up with him in camp. I am awaiting to see how they play some of the injuries. And as for Dareus and his suspension, one player gets to make the squad at least for week 1. Carrington gets to suit up on account of this, but I wonder if they keep him after that. Good ST player and versatile, but DL depth is just too good. Manhertz vs Gragg was another one I had to think about. While Manhertz appears to be the superior blocker, and this will be valuable to Roman, I have heard too many good things about Gragg in camp. Who knows though. I think they keep Carrington regardless. His versatility makes him perfect for this defense...being able to line up all over the d-line. Good special teams guy as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midland Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Nice job. I think only 2 QB's stay, Cassell as one, and battle still on for the other one (thinking TT just for his play option ability in short yardage). I'm sure there will be an injury, as much as I dislike preseason games, at may cause somebody to be put on PUP list. I think Guy stay as KO specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 Nice job. I think only 2 QB's stay, Cassell as one, and battle still on for the other one (thinking TT just for his play option ability in short yardage). I'm sure there will be an injury, as much as I dislike preseason games, at may cause somebody to be put on PUP list. I think Guy stay as KO specialist. I doubt EJ gets cut outright, as all of his contract is guaranteed. IIRC, however, they could save 4+ million in cap space by releasing Cassel. Anyone know the exact figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Manhertz vs Gragg was another one I had to think about. While Manhertz appears to be the superior blocker, and this will be valuable to Roman, I have heard too many good things about Gragg in camp. Who knows though. I think they keep Carrington regardless. His versatility makes him perfect for this defense...being able to line up all over the d-line. Good special teams guy as well. You guys are mistaking Manhertz the Canisius hoop player with Matthew Mulligan the blocking TE. I think Mulligan is a near lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 You guys are mistaking Manhertz the Canisius hoop player with Matthew Mulligan the blocking TE. I think Mulligan is a near lock. Ahhhh yes. Thank you. I have seen Mulligan on more than one 53 man roster projection. You might be right, although do you think his roster spot might come at the expense of Gragg or O'Leary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Ahhhh yes. Thank you. I have seen Mulligan on more than one 53 man roster projection. You might be right, although do you think his roster spot might come at the expense of Gragg or O'Leary? I think it's between Gray and Gragg for the fourth spot. I think they are keeping clay who does everything well, Mulligan who blocks well, oleary who does everything pretty good and can play inline and room to grow and one of the two between Gray and Gragg who are similar - both are great athletes who are receiving threats and questionable blockers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think it's between Gray and Gragg for the fourth spot. I think they are keeping clay who does everything well, Mulligan who blocks well, oleary who does everything pretty good and can play inline and room to grow and one of the two between Gray and Gragg who are similar - both are great athletes who are receiving threats and questionable blockers. Funny...I've been hearing that Gray has been the 2nd best blocking TE in camp, and that O'Leary has struggled somewhat in that department. Mulligan clearly the best blocker of the lot by all accounts. I guess it depends on what you read and who you listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Funny...I've been hearing that Gray has been the 2nd best blocking TE in camp, and that O'Leary has struggled somewhat in that department. Mulligan clearly the best blocker of the lot by all accounts. I guess it depends on what you read and who you listen to. Roman explained it pretty well in his interview yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Funny...I've been hearing that Gray has been the 2nd best blocking TE in camp, and that O'Leary has struggled somewhat in that department. Mulligan clearly the best blocker of the lot by all accounts. I guess it depends on what you read and who you listen to. It's my understanding that Gray has excelled in blocking in TC, which was his weak area going in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Ahhhh yes. Thank you. I have seen Mulligan on more than one 53 man roster projection. You might be right, although do you think his roster spot might come at the expense of Gragg or O'Leary? If Mulligan gets cut, would he automatically get another chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) Mulligan will make it I believe. I also have Rambo over Meeks at safety.... Gray and Goodwin are on the bubble for me. I think Carpenter's hamstring issues tip the balance in favour of the extra kicker. EDIT: also think Stefan Charles is a potential surprise bubble guy - he will make the week 1 roster I am sure cos Marcel doesn't count towards it but whether he makes it beyond that is questionable. Rex is a big fan of Bryant who showed up big again in the scrimmage and I think Carrington brings enough versatility that he makes it ahead of Charles. Edited August 12, 2015 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) There has been a lot of discussion about who will make the 53 man roster, and I have even questioned others about my concerns related to keeping 3 QB's. After much thought, I decided to "put my money where my mouth is," and use my 5,000th post to post my final 53. (2) QB: EJ Manuel, Tyrod Taylor * Yeah, I know....Matt Cassel is starting the first pre-season game. I don't care. IMO...he is not better than EJ or TT, and the thought of him being our starting QB gives me nightmares. Simms to the PS. I know I am going to take a lot of abuse for this. (4) RB: LeSean McCoy, Fred Jackson, Karlos Williams, Boobie Dixon * Bryce Brown fumbles too much. No shocker here to most. (1) FB: Jerome Felton (6) WR: Sammy Watkins, Percy Harvin, Robert Woods, Marcus Easley, Chris Hogan, Marquise Goodwin * I went back and forth between Goodwin and Thigpen about a hundred times here, and I think they keep Goodwin ultimately. (4) TE: Charles Clay, Marquise Gray, Nick O'Leary, Chris Gragg * Gragg, IMO, has done enough to earn that 4th spot, and I don't think they risk putting O'Leary on the PS. (3) OT: Cordy Glenn, Seantrel Henderson, Cyrus Kouandjio (1) OC: Eric Wood (4) OG: Ritchie Incognito, John Miller, Kraig Urbik, Cyril Richardson (4) DE: Mario Williams, Jerry Hughes, Jarius Wynn, Michael Buchanan (5) DT: Marcell Dareus, Kyle Williams, Stefan Charles, Corbin Bryant, Alex Carrington (5) LB: Nigel Bradham, Preston Brown, Ty Powell, Manny Lawson, Randell Johnson * I wanted so badly to keep Steward here, but just couldn't fit him in. Hopefully we can stash him on the PS. (6) CB: Stephon Gilmore, Leodis McKelvin, Ron Darby, Nickell Robey, Ron Brooks, Mario Butler * Cockrell has looked like crap, and Mario Butler seems to be making plays all over the field. (4) S: Aaron Williams, Duke Williams, Corey Graham, Jonathan Meeks (1) K: Dan Carpenter (1) K/O: Jordan Gay * I went back and forth on keeping Gay, but given Carpenter's boo-boo, I think it's crucial to keep him. (1) P: Colton Schmidt (1) LS: Garrison Sanborn Feedback welcome....I can handle it I think your 53 man roster is very close to our probable roster, if not the roster or one change away. I personally would cut Hogan and keep Dezmin Lewis. We are going to be very run heavy and still tossing the ball down field when they start playing aggressive against the run and will toss some deep balls. I just don't see too many balls to go around with 5 WRs (Easley is STs), so to have Hogan as a back ups, back up I would prefer to go with a project with very high upside! We are going to have tough decisions with a quality roster like ours. I don't think Seward or Dezmin Lewis will be able to be stashed on our PS. I also don't think Meeks will make the team, but, another one of the safeties will being Rambo. I can see us going with 6 CBs. But, not sure if it will be Cockrell, Brooks or Butler cut. I think it will be Brooks cut. Congrats on your 5000th post as well! I doubt EJ gets cut outright, as all of his contract is guaranteed. IIRC, however, they could save 4+ million in cap space by releasing Cassel. Anyone know the exact figures? I think Cassel's cap savings is about $4.5 million. And, we take no cap hit as Minnesota already absorbed it. I do believe IF Cassel is the 3rd QB we should cut him and use the money to offset some of Dareus' signing bonus by moving it up a year. Edited August 13, 2015 by Manther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If we cut Chris Hogan I will be a very, very angry man. It would be a stand out dumb move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 If we cut Chris Hogan I will be a very, very angry man. It would be a stand out dumb move. I don't think you have anything to worry about. I think Goodwin is more on the bubble than Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Nice job on the 53, a few things I would change, mostly Mulligan > Gray and Thigpen > Goodwin. I agree with your take on the QB position. Thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I've seen a few people who think mulligan makes the team. Why is that? I'm not trying to argue I'm just wondering. He doesn't seem to be a Roman type TE who can block and catch. He's just a lee smith type, correct? I thought he was just a camp body. clay looks great obviously and gray is lining up at the #2 spot. Oleary has a much higher ceiling than Mulligan and very cheap and Gragg has surprised in camp. I figured they would keep those 4. Edited August 13, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 I've seen a few people who think mulligan makes the team. Why is that? I'm not trying to argue I'm just wondering. He doesn't seem to be a Roman type TE who can block and catch. I thought he was just a camp body. From what I have gathered the man is an absolute menace as a blocker. If Buffalo is to keep 4 TE's (like many speculate), Roman might want one of them to be a skull cracker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) From what I have gathered the man is an absolute menace as a blocker. If Buffalo is to keep 4 TE's (like many speculate), Roman might want one of them to be a skull cracker. i think that's why he is in camp, to push the other guys from a blocking perspective and Rex loves his style. He's a mentor/vet type guy who can compete. But I don't think he makes the team because ultimately I don't see him being a better TE in this system than the others. Maybe I'm way off but I'll be surprised. Edited August 13, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) i think that's why he is in camp, to push the other guys from a blocking perspective and Rex loves his style. He's a mentor/vet type guy who can compete. But I don't think he makes the team because ultimately I don't see him being a better TE in this system than the others. Maybe I'm way off but I'll be surprised.Roman wants to utilize four TEs but you don't want four similar players. And he divides them up into three types. The inline TE, the split TE, and the H Back TE. He outlined it pretty good. Gray really doesn't play inline. Gragg can but he is not all that great at it although he is willing and getting better. Both can play split and HBack. Clay is the only one that really can play inline of the receiving TE and he can do everything. At times they want the TE to be a blocker. O'Leary can but he is a rookie and not really ready as a blocker. Gray and Gragg are pretty much the same guy, both very athletic and pretty fast and can catch. But they do not fill the inline TE to Romans satisfaction and as long as Clay is in there, you would likely never use both Gray and Gragg, but you would use Gray and Mulligan or Gragg and Mulligan. Edited August 13, 2015 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 From what I have gathered the man is an absolute menace as a blocker. If Buffalo is to keep 4 TE's (like many speculate), Roman might want one of them to be a skull cracker. Exactly. With the amount of 12 and 22 personnel I've heard and seen from camp, having a guy who can move people like Mulligan is crucial. Ik Roman uses a lot of 6 OL but have a versatile group of tight ends helps add to the dynamics of your offensive identity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Roman wants to utilize four TEs but you don't want four similar players. And he divides them up into three types. The inline TE, the split TE, and the H Back TE. He outlined it pretty good. Gray really doesn't play inline. Gragg can but he is not all that great at it although he is willing and getting better. Both can play split and HBack. Clay is the only one that really can play inline of the receiving TE and he can do everything. At times they want the TE to be a blocker. O'Leary can but he is a rookie and not really ready as a blocker. Gray and Gragg are pretty much the same guy, both very athletic and pretty fast and can catch. But they do not fill the inline TE to Romans satisfaction and as long as Clay is in there, you would likely never use both Gray and Gragg, but you would use Gray and Mulligan or Gragg and Mulligan. who do you think they keep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 This is a great roster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 who do you think they keep? It's a toss up right now before the preseason games between Gray and Gragg. I think one of them goes and we keep Clay, OLeary, Mulligan and Gray or Gragg. I think I prefer Gray but Gragg has been coming on strong lately and he may have more overall talent at the position although I think Gray is a better athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It's a toss up right now before the preseason games between Gray and Gragg. I think one of them goes and we keep Clay, OLeary, Mulligan and Gray or Gragg. I think I prefer Gray but Gragg has been coming on strong lately and he may have more overall talent at the position although I think Gray is a better athlete.before camp I thought Gragg was a longshot, but reportedly he has looked very good in camp. Long way to go and an injury could solve the "problem" but TE is a huge battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I think they are gonna keep Cassell and cut either Tyrod or EJ. Other than that it seems like a pretty legit roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I don't see O'Leary as a lock personally, if he doesn't show he can contribute in some way he may wait for an injury on the practice squad. For me Clay, Gray, Mulligan most likely make it with O'Leary and Gragg fighting for the last spot. Preseason hasn't started so plenty of time for O'Leary to flash, I'd still give him the benefit of the doubt as long as he shows something. Gragg has had a nice camp but it's a numbers game, Mulligan makes a ton of sense for a power running team. Edited August 13, 2015 by Aaron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If Gragg shows anything like improvement on his blocking he makes the team. His potential as a receiver is above all the rest save for Clay for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If Gragg shows anything like improvement on his blocking he makes the team. His potential as a receiver is above all the rest save for Clay for me. There was a report earlier in camp (can't remember who so take it with a grain of salt) that he was leaps and bounds better at blocking this year. I think he makes the roster I don't see O'Leary as a lock personally, if he doesn't show he can contribute in some way he may wait for an injury on the practice squad. For me Clay, Gray, Mulligan most likely make it with O'Leary and Gragg fighting for the last spot. Preseason hasn't started so plenty of time for O'Leary to flash, I'd still give him the benefit of the doubt as long as he shows something. Gragg has had a nice camp but it's a numbers game, Mulligan makes a ton of sense for a power running team. what makes you think that Gray is a lock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I might be a bit biaed because I liked the Gragg pick when we made it but if I am rooting for someone of that group it is definitely him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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