Protocal69 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I think we just need to calm down this Rivers talk. I think the better bet is to go after Eli Manning next year when he becomes a free agent if he plays good this year if we are trying to go the vet route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 The thing that troubles me about rivers is he proves the antithesis of the qb argument on this board. Â If qb is all that matters and rivers is a multiple Probowl qb, then why can't the Chargers seem to have any real success with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 The thing that troubles me about rivers is he proves the antithesis of the qb argument on this board. Â If qb is all that matters and rivers is a multiple Probowl qb, then why can't the Chargers seem to have any real success with him? Â Â The rest of the Chargers roster is garbage now, he's still bringing them to levels we haven't seen in 15 years. Â Â Some of those teams with Tomlinson, prime Gates and Vincent Jackson chronically underachieved, but frequently had injuries hit at the wrong time. The last few years the Chargers talent level has been very low, look back at their drafts starting in 2007 and there's a lot more whiffs than the normal team. Rivers has been the only thing keeping them from not being Jaguars level bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I would love to have rivers. I would offer whatever picks this year that they wanted along with a 1st next year. Rivers would have to redo his deal. Throw in one of the QBs for S&G. There is no way I give up dareus for a couple years of rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I would love to have rivers. I would offer whatever picks this year that they wanted along with a 1st next year. Rivers would have to redo his deal. Throw in one of the QBs for S&G. There is no way I give up dareus for a couple years of rivers. Are you forgetting that we have to pay both of them? Â Its not the picks that are the issue......it is the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Are you forgetting that we have to pay both of them? Â Its not the picks that are the issue......it is the cap. Yes, the cap issue would be huge. Rivers is set to make $15.75M this season and the Bills have just under $7M in space. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Are you forgetting that we have to pay both of them? Â Its not the picks that are the issue......it is the cap. Make it a cap friendly deal. Give HUGE signing bonus. When I referred to Ditka deal, I was thinking of next year's draft. If not Ditka deal, then I'd give SD my 1st rder for next 3 drafts. Many think we are a QB away with the roster currently constructed, then why not? He still has couple years left to play. Is there a QB coming out in the future drafts as good as Rivers? Whaley is a "riverboat gambler"!! I'd compare Whaley and Ryan to Bat Masterson and Doc Holliday. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 The thing that troubles me about rivers is he proves the antithesis of the qb argument on this board. Â If qb is all that matters and rivers is a multiple Probowl qb, then why can't the Chargers seem to have any real success with him? Who ever said QB is all that matters? Chargers have had a wildly more successful run with Rivers than the Bills have in that time. Brady took 10 years to win his last Superbowl, is that what you consider real success? What's your barometer for success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 The thing that troubles me about rivers is he proves the antithesis of the qb argument on this board. If qb is all that matters and rivers is a multiple Probowl qb, then why can't the Chargers seem to have any real success with him? It's the same problem Marino had. Great QB, but rest of team was average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Make it a cap friendly deal. Give HUGE signing bonus. When I referred to Ditka deal, I was thinking of next year's draft. If not Ditka deal, then I'd give SD my 1st rder for next 3 drafts. Many think we are a QB away with the roster currently constructed, then why not? He still has couple years left to play. Is there a QB coming out in the future drafts as good as Rivers? Whaley is a "riverboat gambler"!! I'd compare Whaley and Ryan to Bat Masterson and Doc Holliday. Thoughts? Sky,  I am not one of the "cap worrying" crowd  However in this instance I think they would have a point  The REASON why we are able to spend all this money in other positions (having the most expensive DL in the league.....spending for clay....spending for Percy.....bringing on Shady....etc etc etc) the REASON why we can do that is because we dont have to pay a franchise QB  You start paying franchise QB money we are gonna have to let some of these other guys go.  JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 There are only two players worth that much - Luck and Rodgers. And neither team would trade either of them. A 2, 3 and some mid/late rounders? Plenty of guys worth that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 The Bills have to fix the OL first before any QB here has a chance. Bringing in Sammy before that was done wasted his huge price . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why wouldn't the Chargers want to unload Rivers this year and get something for him instead of waiting for Rivers to hit the free agent market next season and get zero in return? It makes more sense to me for the Chargers to unload him this weekend to a team like the Titans or perhaps, The Buffalo Bills and end up with a couple draft picks out of the deal. Â am I crazy? Some easy answers being a belief they can iron things out. And of course the franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Are you forgetting that we have to pay both of them?  Its not the picks that are the issue......it is the cap. no... that's why I said rivers would have to redo his deal. losing dareus would leave a gaping hole in the middle of our defense. However QB is much more important so I can see both sides of the argument Edited April 27, 2015 by kr632 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 no... that's why I said rivers would have to redo his deal... OK....how should the deal be done so as to not lose players that we need?  - Push money back? We become the saints - Turn salary into bonus money? You eventually have to pay the piper on this as well  IMO....and its just my opinion....the only way to make this work is for:  - EJ Manuel to turn the corner  or  - EJ Manuel busts....Matt Cassell caretakes.....and we draft a QB NEXT year in the 1st round because the contracts of 1st rounders are so much more bearable nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 OK....how should the deal be done so as to not lose players that we need?  - Push money back? We become the saints - Turn salary into bonus money? You eventually have to pay the piper on this as well  IMO....and its just my opinion....the only way to make this work is for:  - EJ Manuel to turn the corner  or  - EJ Manuel busts....Matt Cassell caretakes.....and we draft a QB NEXT year in the 1st round because the contracts of 1st rounders are so much more bearable nowadays. So be it. I'd roll the dice for the next 3 years with Rivers and this gang if we have to blow it up in 4-5 years. In a heartbeat. The time is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Word from another board is that the Chargers and Titans were working on a deal and it fizzled and the Chargers called up Whaley. Nothing more on it than that at present. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Word from another board is that the Chargers and Titans were working on a deal and it fizzled and the Chargers called up Whaley. Nothing more on it than that at present.F5, F5, F5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 So be it. I'd roll the dice for the next 3 years with Rivers and this gang if we have to blow it up in 4-5 years. In a heartbeat. The time is now. This isnt the way the steelers did it......I like their plan better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I don't think SD will trade Rivers. If he is on the block due to his own reservations about re-signing, I think SD's price will be extremely high and involve a QB they think they can build a team around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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