BarleyNY Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 the cap hit for the tag, 18.5m cams cap hits - 13m this year, 20m+ every other year. it seems like an odd argument that they would give him cams deal but not tag him (and even possibly trade him under that tag at the very least) I was thinking the same thing. Just posturing at this point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 you would still franchise him, to delay that inevitable.... thats the part that makes little sense to me. Exactly. Not to do so and letting him walk makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyK Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 This is all talk in the negation process, no way he walks, no way they let him, unless they think he is replaceable, and if so he would fit the bills well. Go Bills. The Bills have the cap set-up to do a little crazy moving $$$ around like N.O. the last few years before it catches up to them...it is what you have to do these days..IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 (edited) i don't see Wilson leaving. I also don't see Carrol giving in that easily. It should be interesting to see which side if not both cave. At some point some team is going to let an 'elite' QB walk. Edited June 26, 2015 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 This gets resolved. Their depth chart at his position is not impressive at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Paul Allen is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 This gets resolved. Their depth chart at his position is not impressive at all. Don't they have Tarvaris Jackson ? From what I remember , he was the greatest thing since sliced bread and the Bills were incompetent for not being able to get him in lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 This is all talk in the negation process, no way he walks, no way they let him, unless they think he is replaceable, and if so he would fit the bills well. Go Bills. The Bills have the cap set-up to do a little crazy moving $$$ around like N.O. the last few years before it catches up to them...it is what you have to do these days..IMOIt would be without precedent in this day and age, but at some point the dam has to burst on these qb's holding teams hostage. It will take a disciplined franchise like pats or seahawks to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 If they franchise him he will just go play baseball. Better to trade him and get something for him rather than have him walk don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 At some point, NFL teams are going to start balking at these crazy QB contracts for non elite QBs. I think Wilson is a great QB if he's put in the perfect situation like he was with Seattle. However, IMO he is not on the same elite level of Brady or Rodgers. QBs who don't need a lot of great players around them to win in the NFL. It will be very interesting to watch Wilson's career post Marshawn Lynch. I think he might start looking like an average QB if his team starts lacking both a great running game and great defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzu Bill Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 If Russel Wilson doesn't agree to something more reasonable and the Seahawks let him walk, he's going to find out that the last two SBs were the peak of his career. I'm not saying he isn't a great QB, but he sure wouldn't be able to bring a bottom-tier team to the top. He needs a good team to begin with if he wants to keep is super bowl streak going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 If they franchise him he will just go play baseball. Better to trade him and get something for him rather than have him walk don't you think? No he won't Don't they have Tarvaris Jackson ? From what I remember , he was the greatest thing since sliced bread and the Bills were incompetent for not being able to get him in lineup. I'm pretty sure you didn't understand the tjax conversations at all if you think people thought he was great It would be without precedent in this day and age, but at some point the dam has to burst on these qb's holding teams hostage. It will take a disciplined franchise like pats or seahawks to do it The Hawks are a disciplined franchise? I've never had that impression but maybe you have a different perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 We of all fans should appreciate someone like Wilson. We'd be in the AFC championship game with him this year and probably last. Plus, Flacco got top money. I'd take him over Flacco in a heartbeat. All the guys want top money because it's only top money for a year and they rarely play those contracts out. Seattle has huge cap issues coming their way. If they non-exclusive franchise him, I'd be all over that. Hell, what do they want for him now? Next two years firsts and seconds? Done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 The Seahawks will cave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Not the best player in the NFL, not top 5 at his own position. Selfish and unreasonable. Hate that this is the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 He seems like a reasonable young man, but his agent has a job to do. No way they let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Not the best player in the NFL, not top 5 at his own position. Selfish and unreasonable. Hate that this is the norm. I'm with you. But Seattle may not have much of a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 While not the best he may be the most valuable that's up for a contract and that's enough to be top paid many years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Plus, Flacco got top money. I'd take him over Flacco in a heartbeat. All the guys want top money because it's only top money for a year and they rarely play those contracts out. Seattle has huge cap issues coming their way. If they non-exclusive franchise him, I'd be all over that. Hell, what do they want for him now? Next two years firsts and seconds? Done! Flacco's deal is similar to the deal that Cam has signed in overall value, which is allegedly what Wilson has been offered. But crucially Flacco's deal is worth about $12million less in guaranteed money. So if Wilson has been offered something similar to Cam he has been offered a better overall package than what Flacco got. I am also not sure I'd take him over Flacco in heartbeat.... eventually Quarterbacking comes down to being able to deliver the ball in the clutch from the pocket accurately and consistently. I think Flacco has maybe a slight edge there. Wilson is a top 15 Quarterback for me but not top 10. Seattle are in a very interesting position and as has been said eventually a team has to take a stand on these Quarterback deals, however, it is supply and demand and as we know only too well there are not enough genuine NFL class Quarterbacks for every team to have one. If Seattle doesn't pay Russell Wilson someone else will.... the question then is will have anything like the same success without Marshawn in the backfield and the legion of boom on the other side of the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 (edited) Wilson is a good QB. He does a lot well, he's smart and decisive. He uses his legs wisely. He's not a superstar talent, though. He's not elite, but he's been successful enough that he's going to be paid like he is. He's got a good enough resume and enough on field success that Seatle won't have much choice in the end. They're going to have to pay him very well. Not Aaron Rogers well, but close to Joe Flacco well. And who knows what that means anyway. Can anyone make sense of the pay scale for QBs?: http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/ Edited June 27, 2015 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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