Dorkington Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I hope Chris Williams retires, that dude is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Koundjo is the one guy I am not excited about. That guy is about as obvious a bust as I have ever seen. I would put money on him flaming out of the league. Just a whiff on that one. Sadly I agree. I think Richardson in better shape and with some good coaching and hard work on moving his feet quicker could be a steady starting guard down the road. Kujo on the other hand worries me. Edited January 23, 2015 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 Koundjo is the one guy I am not excited about. That guy is about as obvious a bust as I have ever seen. I would put money on him flaming out of the league. Just a whiff on that one. Sadly I agree. I think Richardson in better shape and with some good coaching and hard work on moving his feet quicker could be a steady starting guard down the road. Kujo on the other hand worries me. We've seen so very little of him that there is no way (IMO) to guess whether he'll be a success or a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 We've seen so very little of him that there is no way (IMO) to guess whether he'll be a success or a failure. Yes Marrone is such a great judge of offensive line talent that Craig Urbik road the bench for several games when he was EASILY our best offensive guard This is what gives me hope for Kujo.......Marrone even though he considers himself a offensive line coach does know how to coach offensive line and cant judge talent...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 We've seen so very little of him that there is no way (IMO) to guess whether he'll be a success or a failure. I hope you are right. But he was so beyond awful in every TC and preseason performance that I saw, that I wrote him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Koundjo is the one guy I am not excited about. That guy is about as obvious a bust as I have ever seen. I would put money on him flaming out of the league. Just a whiff on that one. Isn't that what everyone said about A.Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) Here is hoping an upgrade at the O line coach is going to help *coach up some of those young players. Even then I hope Whaley has a plan to upgrade the OG position besides whats currently on the roster. Edited January 23, 2015 by FeartheLosing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2015/01/qa_with_buffalo_bills_general_manager_doug_whaley_from_2015_senior_bowl.html How does the person responsible for drafting Cyrus Kouandjio (Doug Whaley) defend the selection? Why does everybody love Whaley as GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Koundjo is the one guy I am not excited about. That guy is about as obvious a bust as I have ever seen. I would put money on him flaming out of the league. Just a whiff on that one. So noted here for posterity and your crowing or crow-eating when the final results are in. We all know that obviously Maroon was the best OL coach in the entire history of the NFL and he developed his players to the max... to the max! He invariably put his players in position to succeed because he was selfless and thinking only of building a winner here. Who knew when he and Russ got in it on the sidelines at practice last year and he issued his challenge to Russ: "Go ahead, fire me!" what the real deal was? It obviously broke Brandon's heart that "his guy" that "he brought in" would turn on him in that way. The Head Coach Case last year was a first class putz. He's personally responsible for sidetracking many players and coach's careers due to his pettiness. For all we know, he spent no time working with and developing guys like Kudjo simply out of spite for Whaley and the FO. He seems that big an azz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proteus Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 We absOlutely have to sign a high quality free agent lineman. I have a fear that Whaley is going to go with another Chris Williams type. Then we will have two guards who can't play for the price of of one guy who could come in and dominate. Also if Whaley decides to rely on the draft to address the line, I thino that would be a big mistake. It is a great free agency for lineman and right now it looks like he missed pretty badly with Kujo, although that could change, I wouldn't count on it. We went cheap on the offensive line last year and got what we paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 With Whaley talking like this, and I like Whaley, it makes me nervous that we won't do much with the OL in the offseason. That in itself would be as detrimental as going into next season without a solid veteran QB on the roster. Just my 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 With Whaley talking like this, and I like Whaley, it makes me nervous that we won't do much with the OL in the offseason. That in itself would be as detrimental as going into next season without a solid veteran QB on the roster. Just my 2 Again, I wouldn't read this much into his comments. At this stage in the game he gave the appropriate, responsible answer to the question he was asked. He said that if Cyrus (and others) improved and was worthy of seeing the field, then he would play. If not, they will find his replacement. I don't know how folks are drawing from his statement that they are perfectly comfortable with the o-line personnel, and are not going to do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 How does the person responsible for drafting Cyrus Kouandjio (Doug Whaley) defend the selection? Why does everybody love Whaley as GM? Whaley is an awesome GM.. Look at the talent he has brought in. Our ST's are highly ranked as is our Defense. Our Offense needs a QB and some interior OL... With Whaley talking like this, and I like Whaley, it makes me nervous that we won't do much with the OL in the offseason. That in itself would be as detrimental as going into next season without a solid veteran QB on the roster. Just my 2 Whaley has already said in interviews that the interior OL needs help. He hopes some players step up but he is bringing in more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Williams is marginal. Wood is a shell of what he was. I have seen him pushed back to the QB too many times. Any LG on the roster is a backup. Kujo is a tackle and so far not a good one. Pears is a tackle not a guard. He is good depth and helped bring along Henderson by playing next to him but I can't bear to see him flopping around on the ground on 3rd and 1 again. Dohhhhh bam bam bam (hitting head on wall). I actually think Marrone knew exactly what he had with this group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Any chance we draft his brother this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) With Whaley talking like this, and I like Whaley, it makes me nervous that we won't do much with the OL in the offseason. That in itself would be as detrimental as going into next season without a solid veteran QB on the roster. Just my 2 Whaley simply discussed the players currently on the roster and said they are looking for improvement. He expressed hope that certain players' jump from Y1 to Y2 will be significant. He also said they are always trying to get better at every position and create competitive challenges across the board. I really don't understand the hand-wringing. Whaley is the best GM the Bills have had since John Butler (RIP) gave a damn. Edited January 23, 2015 by eball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 In the Preseason the OL specialist Doug Marrone never set the the lie and kept juggling players, even with 5 preseason games. This does not help solidify the line but cause kayos. Hopefully a new coach who has a clue will help Kouandjio out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Even if Kujo provides OT depth, the guard situation still needs to be addressed in a big way. Williams is injury prone and average to below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Line is a mess inside the tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) From the interview, this is what Whaley had to say: "I look at it this way: There's not one position we wouldn't take or try to upgrade," Whaley said Tuesday from the Senior Bowl. "We could use another receiver, you could use obviously offensive line interior, quarterback we'll have to add." It's not like Whaley has no idea or intention to address the issue. Just relax and let it play out. Edited January 23, 2015 by Rubes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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