B-Man Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Don’t Blame the Charlie Hebdo Mass Murder on ‘Extremism’ :Intolerance for free expression is rooted in classical Islam. by Andrew C McCarthy There are now at least twelve confirmed dead in the terrorist attack carried out by at least three jihadist gunmen against the Paris office of Charlie Hebdo. While it practices equal-opportunity satire, lampooning Islam has proved lethal for the magazine, just as it has for so many others who dare to exercise the bedrock Western liberty of free expression. Charlie Hebdo’s offices were firebombed in 2011 over a caricature of Mohammed that depicted him saying, “100 lashes if you don’t die from laughter.” The cartoon was obviously referring to sharia, Islam’s legal code and totalitarian framework. Don’t take my word for it. Just flip through Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, the authoritative sharia manual. You will find a number of offenses for which flagellation is the prescribed penalty. {snip} What Charlie Hebdo has satirized is a savage reality. That reality was visited on the magazine again today. As night follows day, progressive governments in Europe and the United States are already straining to pretend that this latest atrocity is the wanton work of “violent extremists,” utterly unrelated to Islam. You are to believe, then, that François Hollande, Barack Obama, David Cameron, and their cohort of non-Muslim Islamophiles are better versed in sharia than the Muslim scholars who’ve dedicated their lives to its study and have endorsed such scholarly works as Reliance. Let me repeat what I have detailed here before: Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State did not make up sharia law. Islam did. We can keep our heads tucked snug in the sand, or we can recognize the source of the problem. As I detailed in Spring Fever: The Illusion of Islamic Democracy, the literalist construction of sharia that Islamic supremacists seek to enforce is “literal” precisely because it comes from Islamic scripture, not from some purportedly “extremist” fabrication of Islam. Moreover, this “classical sharia” is enthusiastically endorsed in principle by several of the most influential institutions in the Islamic Middle East, which explains why it is routinely put into practice when Islamists are given — or seize — the opportunity to rule over a territory. More at the link: The Folly of ‘Fundamentalism’ :When it comes to “religious extremism,” religion matters. by Kevin D Williamson A few months ago, a nice and well-meaning lady handed me a stack of Christian literature, including a pamphlet authored by the despicable anti-Catholic/anti-Semite Jack Chick. I am a Catholic, but I do not think she really meant anything sour by it, and the pamphlet in question was daft and illiterate but free from the most obvious sort of hate-mongering associated with Chick and his work. I thought for a minute about talking to her about what she was handing out, but decided against it. I’ve spent enough time around fundamentalist boobs and their choose-your-own-adventure theologies to appreciate that it is a waste of time. One thing that did not occur to me: shooting her in the face. As the slaughter at the offices of Charlie Hebdo in Paris reminds us, the phrase “religious extremism” is useless in that it is almost entirely devoid of content. It matters — and it matters a great deal — which religion is under consideration. The world does not have much of a problem with Quaker extremism, Mormon extremism, African Methodist Episcopal extremist, Reform Jewish extremism, Zen Buddhist extremism, Southern Baptist extremism, etc. We’ve seen, over the past few decades, scattered paroxysms of Hindu extremism and Sikh extremism (India), Buddhist violence (Burma), quasi-Christian cult violence (Uganda, Sudan), etc., but the big show in terms of violent extremism is the never-ending circus of jihad. More at the Link: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Unretire the guillotine. If I'm not mistaken it was last used in the 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) President Obama has issued this statement on the military style terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo in Paris this morning: I strongly condemn the horrific shooting at the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris that has reportedly killed 12 people. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this terrorist attack and the people of France at this difficult time. France is America’s oldest ally, and has stood shoulder to shoulder with the United States in the fight against terrorists who threaten our shared security and the world. Time and again, the French people have stood up for the universal values that generations of our people have defended. France, and the great city of Paris where this outrageous attack took place, offer the world a timeless example that will endure well beyond the hateful vision of these killers. We are in touch with French officials and I have directed my Administration to provide any assistance needed to help bring these terrorists to justice. What words are missing from that statement ? ? Obama showed more passion talking about the flag in the Lions game than he did over #CharleHebdo massacre. . Edited January 7, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I lol'd at this. The ultimate surrender. Are you French? Italian. My wife and I are the Axis Powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Italian. My wife and I are the Axis Powers. You just have to adopt a Japanese kid and you have the set! I suppose you could make your own but you are married so that wouldn't be right. Edited January 7, 2015 by Dante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Italian. My wife and I are the Axis Powers. More like some grotesque attempt at culinary fusion using roast duck and marinara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You just have to adopt a Japanese kid and you have the set! I suppose you could make your own but you are married so that wouldn't be right. Or they could go to the pet store and get some kind of Japanese or Chinese aquarium fish and send pictures to EII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You just have to adopt a Japanese kid and you have the set! I suppose you could make your own but you are married so that wouldn't be right. Or we could adopt a hot 20 year old Japanese chick and.........OW!!! Why the !@#$ didn't any of you guys tell me my wife was standing behind me?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Or we could adopt a hot 20 year old Japanese chick and.........OW!!! Why the !@#$ didn't any of you guys tell me my wife was standing behind me?? You had to go all Woody Allen and it backfired! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 What are the odds of an American citizen getting beheaded by an Islamic extremist? And can you compare them to the odds of death by other means? I need to know exactly how worried I'm supposed to be. Who cares if it is someone else's head? I guess not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 There's a world of difference between "publicly denouncing" the actions and excommunicating the terrorists from the religion and society. Now, when we see the vast majority of Muslims who are allegedly as appalled by these actions as the rest of the civilized society - start to actively cleanse their flock of the practitioners of evil - then we may take them more seriously. That's like asking the Protestants to actively cleanse themselves of the Branch Davidians. Extremists aren't part of the "flock" of the vast majority of Muslims. That's what makes them extremists. Obama showed more passion talking about the flag in the Lions game than he did over #CharleHebdo massacre. . Well, naturally. He's got a much better understanding of football than he does foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Bill Maher ✔ @billmaher Condemning attack is not enuf: unless U strongly endorse the right of anyone to make fun of any religion/prophet, U r not a moderate Muslim David Burge @iowahawkblog Selective pixelization: in pic of dead CH editor, NY Daily News blurs cartoon of Mohammed, leaves hooked-nosed Jew The Onion speaks: It Sadly Unclear Whether This Article Will Put Lives At RiskPARIS—Following the fatal terrorist attack Wednesday at the offices of French newspaper Charlie Hebdo, sources confirmed this afternoon that it is sadly not yet clear whether this very article will ultimately put human lives at risk. According to totally and utterly depressing early reports, given the tragic deaths of 12 people, it is impossible to say with absolute certainty that this 500-word article will not make those involved in its writing—and potentially even those not involved—the targets of brutal and unconscionable violence. More at the link : http://www.theonion.com/articles/it-sadly-unclear-whether-this-article-will-put,37715/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default Edited January 8, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 What's to work on? Just call up Angela Merkel. Nothing wrong with tradition. It depends. What are the odds Obama introduces the guillotine? well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 It wasn't that long ago when we had an organized group of Christian extremists murdering African Americans, Jews and Catholics, all in the name of Jesus Christ. Yeah, Denocrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Islamic Radicals Are Not “Homegrown” “Lone wolf” is up there too, but “homegrown terrorism” is surely among the most ill-conceived and thus self-defeating terms in national security. In reporting that the French government believes it has identified three gunmen who carried out the terrorist attack that killed a dozen people in Paris today, the New York Times theorizes: Officials said late Wednesday that the suspects had been identified and that two were brothers. They were identified as Said and Cherif Kouachi , 32 and 34, and Hamyd Mourad , 18. French news reports said the brothers had been born in Paris, raising the prospect that homegrown Muslim extremists were responsible. There is no “homegrown” Islamic terrorism in the West. Being born in a Western country, or being resident in one at the time of “radicalization,” does not mean one’s terrorism is “homegrown.” What grows a terrorist in Paris – or New York, London, Madrid, Hamburg, etc. – is not his environs; it is Islamic supremacist ideology. That ideology is not Western; indeed, it is virulently hostile to the West. That it has been injected here does not make it of here. {snip} Referring to this ideology as “homegrown” is an insidious manifestation of willful blindness. It suggests that it must be something about the Western host country that “radicalizes” Muslims – something, anything, other than Islam. It undergirds the fiction that the resulting radicals are “violent extremists” who, if not out and out nihilists or lunatics, must be motivated by oppressive Western policies and historical Western sins – not by an aggressive ideology of conquest that commands them to make war on non-Muslims. That is, the notion of “homegrown terrorism” obscures the fact that terrorism against the West is inspired by a supremacist interpretation of Islam, the principles of which are mainstream in the Middle East and well known – albeit unspoken of – in the West. It enables the self-defeating pretension that those principles are seamlessly compatible with the Western culture that Islamic supremacists seek to vanquish. Jihadist terror is not homegrown in the West. It is grown by purveyors of a hostile, alien ideology whose precise purpose is to destroy our home. Edited January 8, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Islamic Radicals Are Not “Homegrown” Well, that's a dumb article. "Homegrown" may not be the most accurate term, but it's a necessary term to distinguish "terrorists who are native born" from "terrorists who are imported." The fact is, there is a very important and practical distinction between the gomer who grows into a terrorist overseas and the gomer who grows into a terrorist in his home country...the latter is very much "homegrown," even if the "growth medium" is external to the country. And you can't address the latter if you don't identify the distinction. And "homegrown" is as good a distinction as any, and better than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Well, that's a dumb article. "Homegrown" may not be the most accurate term, but it's a necessary term to distinguish "terrorists who are native born" from "terrorists who are imported." The fact is, there is a very important and practical distinction between the gomer who grows into a terrorist overseas and the gomer who grows into a terrorist in his home country...the latter is very much "homegrown," even if the "growth medium" is external to the country. And you can't address the latter if you don't identify the distinction. And "homegrown" is as good a distinction as any, and better than most. No. I am afraid that you missed the distinction that the author clearly drew. Homegrown doesn't refer to birthplace. The phrase "homegrown" clouds the way we identify these terrorists. It is lazy to say "we have to call them something, this is as good as any." as the author points out, that designation by the media deflects from the larger point. that is, the notion of “homegrown terrorism” obscures the fact that terrorism against the West is inspired by a supremacist interpretation of Islam, the principles of which are mainstream in the Middle East and well known – albeit unspoken of – in the West. It enables the self-defeating pretension that those principles are seamlessly compatible with the Western culture that Islamic supremacists seek to vanquish. Edited January 8, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 That's like asking the Protestants to actively cleanse themselves of the Branch Davidians. Extremists aren't part of the "flock" of the vast majority of Muslims. That's what makes them extremists. Baloney. These offshoot Christian groups are outside the mainstream and are ostracized enough that they have to go far off the grid. The mere fact that Protestants exists also points to the historical difference in the dogma of not being beholden to a single interpretation of a holy book and how the religion is practiced. Until Muslims get a clue that their religion needs a serious case of Enlightenment, this crap will continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Sorry to go full B-Man on this discussion. * Al-Azhar, the thousand-year-old seat of religious learning in Cairo that’s respected by Muslims around the world, referred to the attack as a criminal act, saying that “Islam denounces any violence,” according to Egypt’s state news agency MENA. * The Organization of the Islamic Conference strongly condemned the attack. A spokesperson for the OIC’s Islamophobia Observatory in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia said that violence and radicalism are “biggest enemies of Islam.” * The French Council of the Muslim Religion condemned the “barbaric” attack and said that first thoughts are with the victims and their families. It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.” * Indonesia, the world’s most-populous Muslim nation, “condemns the attack” and “sends condolences to the government and people of France,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. * “Egypt stands by France in confronting terrorism, an international phenomenon that targets the world’s security and stability and which requires coordinated international efforts to eradicate,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry. * “We, as Turkey, condemn with hatred any kind of terror,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in Ankara. “We are against any form of terror regardless of where it comes from and what its motives are.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-07/islamic-leaders-condemn-paris-attack-some-warn-against-backlash.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Sorry to go full B-Man on this discussion. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-07/islamic-leaders-condemn-paris-attack-some-warn-against-backlash.html Good for them. Now let's see them do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Sorry to go full B-Man on this discussion. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-07/islamic-leaders-condemn-paris-attack-some-warn-against-backlash.html lol Of course, linking to the Bloomberg article did get your point across that there are many Islamic voices speaking out condemning the attack Funny how that method works.................... Also, Congrats to the Washington Post for publishing one of the 'controversial' cartoons, too bad so many other American media outlets have not. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/01/08/washington-post-opinions-section-publishes-controversial-charlie-hebdo-cartoon/ . Edited January 8, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) The Onion speaks: More at the link : http://www.theonion.com/articles/it-sadly-unclear-whether-this-article-will-put,37715/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default FTA: “We live in a society in which every person is entitled to his or her own opinions, and every person is entitled to express those opinions without fear of harm. And that isn’t changing, whether a small minority of psychotic, murderous degenerates like it or not.” Edited January 8, 2015 by Azalin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Good for them. Now let's see them do something about it. Do what about it, exactly? JA's making my point..."Islam" is not some monolithic religion, any more than "Christianity" is. Decrying Sufis, liberal Persian Shi'ites, Israeli Bedouins, Amhadiyya Indians, Sunni Bosniaks, etc., for not rejecting extremists is a position completely ignorant of the fact that extremists are not part of those communities to begin with. Extremists specificall reject mainstream Islamic communities, and vice versa. Again, that's why they're called extremists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Do what about it, exactly? JA's making my point..."Islam" is not some monolithic religion, any more than "Christianity" is. Decrying Sufis, liberal Persian Shi'ites, Israeli Bedouins, Amhadiyya Indians, Sunni Bosniaks, etc., for not rejecting extremists is a position completely ignorant of the fact that extremists are not part of those communities to begin with. Extremists specificall reject mainstream Islamic communities, and vice versa. Again, that's why they're called extremists. It's a lot more monolithic than modern day Christianity because despite the various sects, it hasn't fully separated the theology from secular governance. So while the political leaders pay lip service to the evils of terrorism, they do very little to dismantle the terrorist networks. They actually use the various terrorist factions to wage proxy battles against their enemies. It's much harder to call Al Qeda or ISIS extremists when there is implicit state support. Both are multinational networks that have strong logistics in place that rely on extensive global funding to support their operations, that by definition don't qualify them as fringe extremist groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Do what about it, exactly? JA's making my point..."Islam" is not some monolithic religion, any more than "Christianity" is. Decrying Sufis, liberal Persian Shi'ites, Israeli Bedouins, Amhadiyya Indians, Sunni Bosniaks, etc., for not rejecting extremists is a position completely ignorant of the fact that extremists are not part of those communities to begin with. Extremists specificall reject mainstream Islamic communities, and vice versa. Again, that's why they're called extremists. Many in those communities are part of or sympathize with the extremists though. I remember well the dancing in the streets in the Middle East in the aftermath of 9/11. Look at JA's post below and notice how the victims are somehow partially responsible for the actions of the extremists. Many in the West bury their heads in the sand and refuse to call a spade a spade. The extremists are doing the actual killing, beheading and torture but couldn't get away with it for long without the support or indifference of the "moderates". It's time to quit kitty footing around and show them the only thing they respect----toughness. * Al-Azhar, the thousand-year-old seat of religious learning in Cairo that’s respected by Muslims around the world, referred to the attack as a criminal act, saying that “Islam denounces any violence,” according to Egypt’s state news agency MENA. * The Organization of the Islamic Conference strongly condemned the attack. A spokesperson for the OIC’s Islamophobia Observatory in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia said that violence and radicalism are “biggest enemies of Islam.” * The French Council of the Muslim Religion condemned the “barbaric” attack and said that first thoughts are with the victims and their families. It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.” * Indonesia, the world’s most-populous Muslim nation, “condemns the attack” and “sends condolences to the government and people of France,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. * “Egypt stands by France in confronting terrorism, an international phenomenon that targets the world’s security and stability and which requires coordinated international efforts to eradicate,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry. * “We, as Turkey, condemn with hatred any kind of terror,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in Ankara. “We are against any form of terror regardless of where it comes from and what its motives are.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Westerners are gullible. They'll believe anything you tell them, including that Islam is a religion of peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Bill Maher: Hundreds of Millions of Muslims Support Attack on ‘Charlie Hebdo’ Bill Maher didn’t hold back Wednesday night, blasting “hundreds of millions” of the world’s Muslims for allegedly supporting the Islamic terrorist massacre of cartoonists, writers, and editors at a Parisian satirical magazine that has mocked the Prophet Muhammad. “I know most Muslim people would not have carried out an attack like this,” the host of HBO’s Real Time With Bill Maher said on ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel Live. “But here’s the important point: Hundreds of millions of them support an attack like this. They applaud an attack like this. What they say is, ‘We don’t approve of violence, but you know what? When you make fun of the Prophet, all bets are off.” “Hundreds of millions of Muslims?” a clearly skeptical Kimmel asked his fellow comedian, an out and proud atheist who in recent years has targeted the adherents of Islam for harsh criticism. “Absolutely,” Maher insisted. “That is mainstream in the Muslim world. When you make fun of the Prophet, all bets are off. You get what’s coming to you. It’s also mainstream that if you leave the religion, you get what’s coming to you—which is death. Not in every Muslim country… but this is the problem in the world that we have to stand up to.” He continued, “I’m the liberal in this debate,” adding that he grew up in a family that supported John F. Kennedy over racist Southern governments in the fight for civil rights. “The reason we were liberals is we were against oppression.” Needless to say, Maher’s vitriolic rant drew few laughs from the studio audience, which seemed stunned into silence by his uncompromising anger. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/08/bill-maher-hundreds-of-millions-of-muslims-support-attack-on-charlie-hebdo.html Our Era of Blasphemy Vigilantism Which of these represents incitement to violence? A) Making a film depicting the violent death of the ruler of North Korea, Kim Jong Un. B) Telling an angry crowd the night of the Ferguson grand jury decision, “burn this B word down!” C) Chanting, “What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!” D) Making cartoons that offend Muslims. As you no doubt have observed, some Americans on the Left would pick A and D, but not B and C. I can see the case for B and C, but I would be pretty wary about prosecuting individuals in either case. If our society is going to bring the force of the law against a person, and either fine them or put them in jail, there has to be a pretty direct connection between their words and the violence that ensued. A certain segment of Muslims in France – and in just about every Western country – are attempting to implement blasphemy laws through vigilantism. Sure, there’s no law on the books saying you can’t do it, but if anybody catches you doing it, some young man – with seemingly nothing in this world he fears losing if he’s caught or killed attempting to commit murder – will come and find you and attack you. And possibly kill you. Few American media companies are showing the cartoons of Charlie Hebdo that enraged the rage-addicted Islamists of France. Credit Slate, Huffington Post, Daily Beast and BuzzFeed for showing them. That’s not an easy decision; you never know when some Islamist out there might decide to show up at the front door of the offices with a knife, a gun, lighter fluid or a homemade bomb to register their objection to a publication’s decision. http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/395940/our-era-blasphemy-vigilantism-jim-geraghty . Edited January 8, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You know, there's little to nothing I agree with Maher on. But on this subject, he's absolutely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 And Maher's source on the opinion of hundreds of millions of Muslims is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 And Maher's source on the opinion of hundreds of millions of Muslims is...? He had a hard time sleeping the other night so he counted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I have no idea if Maher is correct or not but even if he is off by a factor of 10, or even 100, it is still not an insignificant amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 And Maher's source on the opinion of hundreds of millions of Muslims is...? Here is a collection of polls that, if true, seem pretty damning: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 FTA: “We live in a society in which every person is entitled to his or her own opinions, and every person is entitled to express those opinions without fear of harm. And that isn’t changing, whether a small minority of psychotic, murderous degenerates like it or not.” That's the most honest, sincere piece of publication the Onion has ever done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 From 2006, things have certainly not improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) From 2006, things have certainly not improved. Your graphics are not showing... or are those depictions of Mohammed? Below are my depictions of the prophet. I hope they don't get me in trouble with the knuckle-dragging scum that are frolicking about these days. Probably not. Like the Emperor's new clothes, only the pure of heart can see them. Edited January 9, 2015 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Your graphics are not showing... or are those depictions of Mohammed? Below are my depictions of the prophet. I hope they don't get me in trouble with the knuckle-dragging scum that are frolicking about these days. Probably not. Like the Emperor's new clothes, only the pure of heart can see them. He looks like a hippy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/01/09/paris-terror-suspects-cornered-with-hostage-want-to-die-as-martyrs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Let's resume the debate about the peace part in the religion. Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people's desires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Let's resume the debate about the peace part in the religion. A radical Muslim describing a radical view of Islam that violates the Koran itself is hardly representative of Islam as a whole. In fact, the guy should be considered apostate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 A radical Muslim describing a radical view of Islam that violates the Koran itself is hardly representative of Islam as a whole. In fact, the guy should be considered apostate. That's a mighty tough standard to think that anything represents an entire religion. OTOH, it's not anywhere near fringe extremists akin to Branch Davidians or Westboro Baptist nuts. This Muslim radical has a far large following and affects much greater numbers of people, that it's silly to think he's somewhere on the fringe. Death for blasphemy is also law of the land in many Arab countries. Heads of state call for murdering the blasphemers outside their borders, and actions have been taken on that command. So tell me of the equivalent in the other global religions. If they were truly on the fringe, they wouldn't control vast swaths of land, wouldn't be winning large numbers of votes in elections. If this was a fringe, an Egyptian president wouldn't stand at the podium in the center of Islam's learning and call for Reformation. And all this gets back to the neocon fears in the '90s of where the Middle East societies were heading and the troubles that would besiege the West. If was also mentioned, in half jest, that while France & Germany were the biggest opponents to Bush's overtures, those countries would bear the greatest pain if the authoritarian Muslim fundamentalism wasn't stopped. Here's a good piece from my point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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