Reed83HOF Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 We have to keep Hopkins right? Its an automatic touchback every time. It's one way to save Crossman's a$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I challenge you to take a stopwatch to Tuel's throws. His speed is fine. I guess I'm one of the few who agrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I'm iffy all around. Cyrus Koundjio looks like raw **** to this point, but often times OL take time to get acclimated, so maybe there's something there.. Henderson looks good, but for how long? If he makes the team will he get comfortable and start tosuck? No QB on the roster gives me much confidence, but all give me hope. I'm keeping my fingers crossed because I know the talent is there, but I'm not sure if it's in the right places. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smapdi Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I was really impressed with Henderson. No one expects a 7th round pick to go out & take on Jason Piere-Paul in his first ever NFL action and actually hold his own. He definitely raised my eye brows with how he looked with the first team offense. He also has the size to slide over to RT when Glenn comes back. Regarding Kouandjio: he had a few rough plays but I don't think it's the end of the world. It was his first ever NFL action. Still have 4 more preseason games to improve. Hopefully Henderson's performance lights a fire under him. He sounds like a very motivated guy from his post draft interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) I was really impressed with Henderson. No one expects a 7th round pick to go out & take on Jason Piere-Paul in his first ever NFL action and actually hold his own. He definitely raised my eye brows with how he looked with the first team offense. He also has the size to slide over to RT when Glenn comes back. Regarding Kouandjio: he had a few rough plays but I don't think it's the end of the world. It was his first ever NFL action. Still have 4 more preseason games to improve. Hopefully Henderson's performance lights a fire under him. He sounds like a very motivated guy from his post draft interviews. Lets not forget talent was not the reason Henderson went in the 7th ... purely off field stuff. If he was squeaky clean then he's a solid 2nd round pick. And if not for missing so many games maybe even 1st round. So talentwise he is performing as expected. Edited August 5, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 We have to keep Hopkins right? Its an automatic touchback every time. If we do I really hope we keep Carpenter too. Dude's money. If you're really making a run at the playoffs you have to have a money FG kicker. Could mean the difference in enough wins to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Marrone has already said that Hopkins only makes the team as a kick off specialist. Carpenter is safe. In a team with your QBs who haven't yet proven their ability to cash in once in the redzone you need a reliable kicker and Carpenter was about as reliable as they come last year.... and he has a great beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Thanks, Bill. I was impressed with Henderson as well. With Glenn back, do we kick this kid to RT? No, no, no! We trade him to Philly for past considerations. Oh, and... There are times that you can beckon There are times when you must call You can shake a ton of reckoning But you can't shake it all There are times when I can help you out And times that you must fall There are times when you must live in doubt And I can't help at all Three blue stars / Rise on the hill Say no more, now / Just be still All these trials / Soon be past Look for something / Built to last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 JPP flat out sucked in the game. He had one move he did over and over again. I watched him more then Henderson because I knew everyone was watching Henderson JPP tried the bullrush time and time again and tried to beat Henderson with speed, too. Henderson bounced him outside, absorbed the bullrush then created seperation to move JPP. A rookie 7th rounder school JPP. And I do not just want to say JPP didn't try. The first series he didn't. By the second series he was stepping it up, likely of embarrassment. I never got the hype with the guy and don't see him having another successful year. Its scary, too. Because I see Jerry Hughes as a JPP clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The one other thing that stood out was woods. He was a man among boys with the two's. He is a quality nfl WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Lets not forget talent was not the reason Henderson went in the 7th ... purely off field stuff. If he was squeaky clean then he's a solid 2nd round pick. And if not for missing so many games maybe even 1st round. So talentwise he is performing as expected. Don't minimize the bills taking a shot at value. It's another contrast that stands out against those crowing "same old bills"... On a more general note: There is only one concern with EJ I have.... He doesn't seem to hate losing enough. But it could be his media personality, which appears very deliberate. He's going to be a better starter than we've had in ages. Just don't know if he'll crack the top half of the league. It's worth mentioning early in Kelly's career there were a lot who didn't think he was the answer after a 4-12 season, 43 sacks and a marginal stat line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) I guess I'm one of the few who agrees with you. Thx. People get swept up in group think. Tuel sucks because he sucks. Just make up some facts to support that view. If EJ had the game Tuel did we'd be popping champagne. Maybe EJ will be good eventually but he looked like he was nervous as heck. Meanwhile Tuel steps on the field and completes like 75% of his passes, grant it against 2nd and 3rd stringers. But the fact is he was accurate enough to do it. And yet everyone insists he's garbage. I honestly don't get it. But I do have an armchair theory on EJ. I wonder if Marrone and Hackett are trying to mold EJ into a player he isn't comfortable being? He plays like a guy trying to remember stuff, not a guy playing in a natural flow. Do you know what I mean? Edited August 5, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Thx. People get swept up in group think. Tuel sucks because he sucks. Just make up some facts to support that view. If EJ had the game Tuel did we'd be popping champagne. Maybe EJ will be good eventually but he looked like he was nervous as heck. Meanwhile Tuel steps on the field and completes like 75% of his passes, grant it against 2nd and 3rd stringers. But the fact is he was accurate enough to do it. And yet everyone insists he's garbage. I honestly don't get it. FWIW my oldest is with you. Loves him some TuelTime while still hoping for the best when it comes to Manuel. Liking both doesn't have to be impossible, though you might think so here. But then again, he also thinks Tebow has been working hard and the Bills should bring him to camp for a look ... so ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Thx. People get swept up in group think. Tuel sucks because he sucks. Just make up some facts to support that view. If EJ had the game Tuel did we'd be popping champagne. Maybe EJ will be good eventually but he looked like he was nervous as heck. Meanwhile Tuel steps on the field and completes like 75% of his passes, grant it against 2nd and 3rd stringers. But the fact is he was accurate enough to do it. And yet everyone insists he's garbage. I honestly don't get it. But I do have an armchair theory on EJ. I wonder if Marrone and Hackett are trying to mold EJ into a player he isn't comfortable being? He plays like a guy trying to remember stuff, not a guy playing in a natural flow. Do you know what I mean? In re Tuel, the knock is that he's nothing special and at best will give you a decent series or two spelling the starter. Not quite at a Frank Reich back-up talent. Regarding your theory on EJ, that's the whole point of his issues. He's not a natural at the position, but for him to be successful he has to be molded into how the position should be played. He wants to play the role as a great athlete playing a QB, and that rarely works in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Thx. People get swept up in group think. Tuel sucks because he sucks. Just make up some facts to support that view. If EJ had the game Tuel did we'd be popping champagne. Maybe EJ will be good eventually but he looked like he was nervous as heck. Meanwhile Tuel steps on the field and completes like 75% of his passes, grant it against 2nd and 3rd stringers. But the fact is he was accurate enough to do it. And yet everyone insists he's garbage. I honestly don't get it. But I do have an armchair theory on EJ. I wonder if Marrone and Hackett are trying to mold EJ into a player he isn't comfortable being? He plays like a guy trying to remember stuff, not a guy playing in a natural flow. Do you know what I mean? I was kind of thinking along these same lines....however, I also thought, "he is still not even a full season into being an NFL QB", so maybe that has more to do with why he looks uncomfortable at times, more so than the staff trying to make him into something he's not....we all know, with time, the game slows down and you can start playing on instinct rather than having to think through everything Im hoping he gets to that point very, very soon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 In re Tuel, the knock is that he's nothing special and at best will give you a decent series or two spelling the starter. Not quite at a Frank Reich back-up talent. Regarding your theory on EJ, that's the whole point of his issues. He's not a natural at the position, but for him to be successful he has to be molded into how the position should be played. He wants to play the role as a great athlete playing a QB, and that rarely works in the NFL. Or instead of forcing him into a different style find a way to improve his natural style? I mean the guy won games at FSU so it's not like he doesn't know how to play QB. I think, and this is only my opinion, that Marrone and Hackett are messing up his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Or instead of forcing him into a different style find a way to improve his natural style? I mean the guy won games at FSU so it's not like he doesn't know how to play QB. I think, and this is only my opinion, that Marrone and Hackett are messing up his head. I hope there's a heavy dose of play-action calls this year, because that is one area in which EJ not only looked comfortable, but excelled in. Hopefully with our running attack, this comes to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Or instead of forcing him into a different style find a way to improve his natural style? I mean the guy won games at FSU so it's not like he doesn't know how to play QB. I think, and this is only my opinion, that Marrone and Hackett are messing up his head. If he continues to play like he did at FSU, the Bills are toast. (It's harder to win in the NFL than at FSU). I'm sure that you read the repost of EJ's scouting profile by the FSU fans. That's exactly why EJ was considered a reach and a project for the first round. If he doesn't change his game, then he'll be the latest decent college QB who couldn't make the leap. Edited August 5, 2014 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Thx. People get swept up in group think. Tuel sucks because he sucks. Just make up some facts to support that view. If EJ had the game Tuel did we'd be popping champagne. Maybe EJ will be good eventually but he looked like he was nervous as heck. Meanwhile Tuel steps on the field and completes like 75% of his passes, grant it against 2nd and 3rd stringers. But the fact is he was accurate enough to do it. And yet everyone insists he's garbage. I honestly don't get it. But I do have an armchair theory on EJ. I wonder if Marrone and Hackett are trying to mold EJ into a player he isn't comfortable being? He plays like a guy trying to remember stuff, not a guy playing in a natural flow. Do you know what I mean? As someone that is guilty of trashing Tuel last year, he has really grown on me. He is obviously limited talent wise but he's smart and can manage a game. If he has to play for 2-3 weeks I won't freak out. He can methodically move the team down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 As someone that is guilty of trashing Tuel last year, he has really grown on me. He is obviously limited talent wise but he's smart and can manage a game. If he has to play for 2-3 weeks I won't freak out. He can methodically move the team down the field. The part that scared me about Tuel was that he looked fine during the first 10-15 scripted plays in his only start last year, but he came completely unglued when the full game plan started to unfold. The one thing that I think most would agree upon when it comes to EJ is that he certainly didn't fall apart later in games. In fact, it was something of the opposite, where he seemed to improve after the initial set of scripted plays were run. Maybe that's something that Tuel would improve upon with experience though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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