ALF Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 If they can't get a trade, just tag him, something could happen by July 15 deadline. If he signs his tag and reports to training camp ready to play, just keep him at least another season for $8.3m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Same old bills. I hope this isn't true but history says this team would be dumb enough to let a star go for nothing with no legit replacement plan in place. we dont know they dont have a plan per se.. Edited March 2, 2014 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Same old bills. I hope this isn't true but history says this team would be dumb enough to let a star go for nothing with no legit replacement plan in place. And you can get your life they aren't going to use the savings on other players. This goes straight to Ralph's bottom line and Littman's bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Byrd and Bills to soon part ways - per WGR55 text. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Tag and trade , why wouldn't they?? because you can't guarantee a trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 because you can't guarantee a trade True . But a poor trade is better than No trade isnt it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 If they can't get a trade, just tag him, something could happen by July 15 deadline. If he signs his tag and reports to training camp ready to play, just keep him at least another season for $8.3m. If they tag him I'd bet you a months salary his plantar fascitis comes back mysteriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) And you can get your life they aren't going to use the savings on other players. This goes straight to Ralph's bottom line and Littman's bonus. Yes. The idea any "cost savings" from not signing Byrd are spent elsewhere is garbage. That money is banked right back to Grosse Point Shores, MI. EDIT: And people wonder why the staff and possibly the football people are not happy. Their hands are tied behind their backs. Edited March 2, 2014 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Screw him. He was never a BUFFALO Bill. Watch his feet heal real quick. Running for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 True . But a poor trade is better than No trade isnt it ? In order to trade him you have to tag him. Then you have to find a trading partner who is willing to give you something tangible for a player who they can't sign to a long term deal. You have to find a trading partner who is willing to take a guy they only have for one year. No team is willing to do that for a safety with a chronic foot condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Later Byrd.....enjoy the 10 mil a year in Jacksonville. Tell poz hello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 don't trust any news from wgr. this is what they want Im sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 In order to trade him you have to tag him. Then you have to find a trading partner who is willing to give you something tangible for a player who they can't sign to a long term deal. You have to find a trading partner who is willing to take a guy they only have for one year. No team is willing to do that for a safety with a chronic foot condition. Chronic probowl foot condition that will amazingly heal with a long term deal i betcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 In order to trade him you have to tag him. Then you have to find a trading partner who is willing to give you something tangible for a player who they can't sign to a long term deal. You have to find a trading partner who is willing to take a guy they only have for one year. No team is willing to do that for a safety with a chronic foot condition. If that were true he wouldn't be about to get a monster contract. You're just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobinaz Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 He probably doesn't want to be here....4 DC in his career so far on a losing team. Let's see how long it takes before the Brown's sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) If that were true he wouldn't be about to get a monster contract. You're just wrong. ' Really? I'm wrong? Then you tell me who is lining up to trade for him. There's a reason the Safety position has the second lowest tag number just about punters and kickers. Byrds a great safety, spending $10M or more per year on a safety is just stupid and that's why the vast majority of other teams in the NFL don't do it. You might want to read this: http://www.wgr550.com/Source--Bills-made--substantial--offer-to-Byrd/18497449 Edited March 2, 2014 by Mike in Syracuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 ' Really? I'm wrong? Then you tell me who is lining up to trade for him. Philly has been mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 I'm skeptical about this. WGR is useless when it comes to inside info. And Whaley has implied on record that they won't let him leave for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Hard to be skeptical when it's this close to decision time. Joe B is normally pretty solid w the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 We need to also be mindful that this is a negotiation. There are sides and sources both leaking info to their advantage. We will see what tomorrow brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 True . But a poor trade is better than No trade isnt it ? yes but my point is if there is no one to trade to we have same situation as last year with Byrd. I want him signed and am pissed that he will leave. I don't care about the money . He is an excellent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Joe B is the only local journalist who isn't focused on driving followers to his twitter acct or the WGR55 website. He appears to focus entirely on unbiased, non-confrontational, analytical work and let's that speak for itself. Simply, he seems to want his work to matter and his reporting to be correct, not the first to rush out a rumor. The only media guy in WNY I respect so I believe the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 All over but the crying now: @JoeBuscaglia I'm hearing the #Bills explored all their options including a trade of Byrd and now they're unlikely to tag him. @JoeBuscaglia The offer to Byrd was explained to me as "substantial." The #Bills made a big effort to sign him long-term from what I'm told. Sounds like Byrd doesn't want to be here - shocker. I've never said I was right about it...But I have said from way back that everything about this situation screamed that Byrd (for whatever reason) simply did not want to sign long-term with the Bills unless they made him an offer that was so outrageous he could not refuse...I never really bought all the butt-hurt stuff, except for the understanding that Byrd did not want to be here, and he was upset they kept him from leaving for an extra year...I've said all along this could be as simple as Byrd wanting to play closer to home...He's a west coast kid after all...But all in all, I've had the feeling from the day the long term window closed, and Byrd could have simply signed his tender last year (like the majority of tagged players do when a long-term deal can't be work out), that he did not want to be here...And it's really just that...Nothing else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 We need to also be mindful that this is a negotiation. There are sides and sources both leaking info to their advantage. We will see what tomorrow brings. Understood but what is left to negotiate? After last year and this year what's left to discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Not going to be popular but I'm fine with their decision to split. I'd love to keep Byrd but I'm just not interested in paying a single safety $10M per year. When did you acquire the team from Ralph? If you haven't, then why would you care if the team pays Byrd $10 M? The unspent $ will just go in Ralph's pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 I'm skeptical about this. WGR is useless when it comes to inside info. And Whaley has implied on record that they won't let him leave for nothing. Probably out of his hands. If it was up to Whaley Byrd would have been signed last year. This reeks of Littman/Overdorf. Other teams have signed thier players this past week but we still can't get our safety signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Understood but what is left to negotiate? After last year and this year what's left to discuss? About 3 million a year for Parker's fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Honesty, the dude don't want to be here. We will be fine will Duke & Aaron. Go spend this money on Orakpo or a couple Guards. If anyone hasn't noticed the Peerless Price trades don't happen anymore Aaron Williams @ajwilliams23 34s For everyone that keeps asking me. I have no idea about byrd's situation, that's his business. I want him back as much as y'all, Trust me! Edited March 2, 2014 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 "What makes tagging him somewhat hard to do is the fact that he would essentially be a one-year rental for whoever deals for the safety" http://www.wgr550.com/Source--Bills-made--substantial--offer-to-Byrd/184974 It won't be a 1 year rental if a team can make him a long term deal before July 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 We need to also be mindful that this is a negotiation. There are sides and sources both leaking info to their advantage. We will see what tomorrow brings. I am admittedly very surprised the Bills are not going to tag Byrd in order to get something...anything...back in return...Especially considering this is supposed to be the deepest Draft in recent memory...Even if you work out a deal for a 4th Round pick that's like a 3rd round pick in a normal year... Why not simply tag him...See what you can work out...And if nothing can be worked out before the Draft remove the tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 http://www.wgr550.com/pages/18497452.php?contentType=4&contentId=14799579 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Joe B is the only local journalist who isn't focused on driving followers to his twitter acct or the WGR55 website. He appears to focus entirely on unbiased, non-confrontational, analytical work and let's that speak for itself. Simply, he seems to want his work to matter and his reporting to be correct, not the first to rush out a rumor. The only media guy in WNY I respect so I believe the guy. I agree . Nucci.. I have not been pleased one iota since last year about this time. Makes you think he has asked to leave especially since being d'kd around with for all this time . I know its early , but how is Alex C feeling lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) and so it is now picked up... Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 14s While there had been reports the Bills would tag Jairus Byrd, from what I gather that is very unlikely. He rejected their latest offer.. Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 16s But to franchise him again puts them back where they started, the $ is very big and they still don't have his rights longterm. renting again Edited March 2, 2014 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) http://www.wgr550.co...tentId=14799579 So...If I'm reading that correctly...The problem with tagging and trading is that other teams are being scared off by the fact that Byrd is turning down the deal Buffalo is offering? Or am I missing something? Maybe it was as simple as the Bills finding a couple teams willing to trade for Byrd, and Byrd saying he's not interesting in signing with those teams (like Cleveland for example...A Franchise that currently seems to be a train wreck)...And the teams he is willing to sign with are unwilling to give up anything for him...It's probably just that simple... I'm guessing once Byrd does sign elsewhere the big question will be how much more was the Bills offer?...Not that it really matters much...I think this whole scenario is just pointing to the fact that Byrd does not want to be in Buffalo...And in the end it's really not going to be about money...He's going to be rich regardless...Sounds like he wants to be rich and play where he wants to play... Edited March 2, 2014 by KOKBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Later Byrd.....enjoy the 10 mil a year in Jacksonville. Tell poz hello. Whew...at least he's not going to the NFC East Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Oh and F^&k LaCAnfora Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 39s Its not like the Bills are going to win a Super Bowl with him on the franchise tag in 2014. So take the comp pick and move on. Joe Buscaglia @JoeBuscaglia 17s That's substantial, all right RT @JasonLaCanfora The Bills offer to Byrd woulve made him 1 of highest paid safeties in the NFL in 1st 2 yrs So F Byrd too Edited March 2, 2014 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 How many players that went to the highest bidder eventually ended up with a super bowl title? I'm sure they're out there but I my mind, you don't get over the hump with the highest price player at a position. In a team sport with 22 starters and a salary cap, investing in the highest priced non-QB player is usually done by teams in the bottom half of the league who have cap room and need to make a symbolic splash and it rarely works. How's Dashon Goldson's super bowl chances looking. Hell, how about Mario Williams? I just don't see the need to spend 13% of your salary cap on a $10M safety and how that equates to having a balanced roster of talented players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 So now that the Bills made a "substantial" offer--which I can only assume falls in line with what Byrd is likely to be worth on the open market (who really knows?), how convinced are we that he would've signed here for any amount of $$? My assumption was that this was always about a number--now it sounds like it was always about hitting the open market. Personally I'd still tag him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 So...If I'm reading that correctly...The problem with tagging and trading is that other teams are being scared off by the fact that Byrd is turning down the deal Buffalo is offering? Or am I missing something? Are there some rules about trading a tagged player that make it ugly. Does the wishful have to match his one year salary and offer a trade ? Is it he only will be under contract for one year with no negotiations? sorry i dont know the ins and outs of this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 I am admittedly very surprised the Bills are not going to tag Byrd in order to get something...anything...back in return...Especially considering this is supposed to be the deepest Draft in recent memory...Even if you work out a deal for a 4th Round pick that's like a 3rd round pick in a normal year... Why not simply tag him...See what you can work out...And if nothing can be worked out before the Draft remove the tag? They would likely get a compensatory pick for just letting him go, how high is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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