Jauronimo Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 there are a whole lot of indications this morning that its a safe assumption. how bad that is we will see, but it seems (between the way the arrest went down, the release, comments like this....) that its about to get real ugly for him. I'm guessing murder charges will be brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 "There is a lot of chatter on Boston media that the Patriots have a lot of insight as to what extent Hernandez was involved and that is why he was released today." This was a comment from the PFT article linked above. If that is the case, then I can see these investigators serving warrants on Gillette Stadium, training room, emails of Bellichick, Kraft, other players maybe. God, how I would love to have the Hoodie served with a trial subpoena the day before our home opener or even mid-week....I wonder what these guys knew? Did AH text Hoodie and say "help me coach" or other players and ask for advice?? Crazy stuff but if it means the Patriots organization will be embroiled in discovery, depositions, affidavits and searches of the stadium/locker room, etc...I'm all for it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Â I'm guessing murder charges will be brought. with $40 million hell be able to buy a real good husband in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I am going to get skewered for saying this, but for this moment I appreciate what the Pats* did here. They cut ties with a potential law-breaker/obstructer and a team distraction. Yes, they took a risk in drafting him but have now cut ties with that mistake. Can't find much to hate about their action. Don't laud them too much. I think they know, or at least have a strong suspicion, that he did it and are releasing him because he'll be in jail or at least suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) "There is a lot of chatter on Boston media that the Patriots have a lot of insight as to what extent Hernandez was involved and that is why he was released today." This was a comment from the PFT article linked above. If that is the case, then I can see these investigators serving warrants on Gillette Stadium, training room, emails of Bellichick, Kraft, other players maybe. God, how I would love to have the Hoodie served with a trial subpoena the day before our home opener or even mid-week....I wonder what these guys knew? Did AH text Hoodie and say "help me coach" or other players and ask for advice?? Crazy stuff but if it means the Patriots organization will be embroiled in discovery, depositions, affidavits and searches of the stadium/locker room, etc...I'm all for it!! Â more likely, i would assume that means robert kraft and the DA may have had a quick talk and hes aware of the charges that are coming and atleast vaguely the evidence. not that they have secret info the police want. though i guess the latter is possible.... Edited June 26, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Hernandez has been claimed off waivers by the Walpole State Police  CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy in 4C Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Low Risk, High Reward.... just the kind of player we need. Â Low risk? Bringing in a probable murderer to the Buffalo community and giving him millions of dollars of hard-earned WNY money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I'm sure they would much rather have the Tebow circus over a murder investigation True, but the AH thing will still create somewhat of a circus and now they'll have to answer questions about moving Tebow to TE, how it's going, if he's pissed he's not playing QB anymore, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) Â True, but the AH thing will still create somewhat of a circus and now they'll have to answer questions about moving Tebow to TE, how it's going, if he's pissed he's not playing QB anymore, etc. Â given their huge depth at TE, theres probably limited chance of that move happening. Â Gronk if healthy, Ballard, Hoonamawanui, Fells, Sudfeld is not a terrible position group. Edited June 26, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013   Low risk? Bringing in a probable murderer to the Buffalo community and giving him millions of dollars of hard-earned WNY money? sarcasm button Didnt work there apparently.  Don't laud them too much. I think they know, or at least have a strong suspicion, that he did it and are releasing him because he'll be in jail or at least suspended. word last night in ESPN radio was that Kraft was trying to have the FBI speed up the situation regarding Hernandez. Apparently he Didnt want the Pats being talked about on this one. Sounds like he couldn't get his way and decided to remove the team from the story altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I forget that NE had this guy: @caplannfl And this is probably going to be the best chance for Daniel Fells of his career as a pass catcher. Career-high 41 catches in 2010 w/Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 This case and the Browns rookie being arrested for attempted murder should reinforce that it is important to consider behavioral red-flags when evaluating draft prospects. I am not saying any college player ever arrested for drinking, drugs or disturbing the peace is off-limits, just that teams really need to look at the risk-reward balance when evaluating these players. Clearly, not every player is "just an immature kid who will outgrow his problems". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph W. Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) Jim Kelly is on the Herd and just said That he is a Bill so the problems the Pats are going through doesn't bother him that much. Lol Edited June 26, 2013 by Ralph W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 given their huge depth at TE, theres probably limited chance of that move happening. Â Gronk if healthy, Ballard, Hoonamawanui, Fells, Sudfeld is not a terrible position group. The only one worth anything is Gronk, if healthy. Hoomanamamnueia, Fells and Sudfeld are scrubs, and as I mentioned elsewhere, Ballard is only "close to 100%" despite having ACL surgery a year and a half ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Fear Donald Jones. Fear him I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobesBLO13 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Jim Kelly talking to Colin Cowherd about the situation and being in Tom Brady's shoes ''...wow I wouldn't want to go into this offseason the way Tom is going, but to be honest with ya it's the Patriots, I'm a Buffalo Bill, it doesn't bother me too much." Â Gotta love Jimbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Sad that the Bills need Welker, Gronk and Hernandez gone, and probably Brady to have a chance according to our posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph W. Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Â Â given their huge depth at TE, theres probably limited chance of that move happening. Â Gronk if healthy, Ballard, Hoonamawanui, Fells, Sudfeld is not a terrible position group. Hernandez was a huge mismatch that is why he played more then one position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Â The only one worth anything is Gronk, if healthy. Hoomanamamnueia, Fells and Sudfeld are scrubs, and as I mentioned elsewhere, Ballard is only "close to 100%" despite having ACL surgery a year and a half ago. Â ah, but tebow is a good enough prospect to merit the change. got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Sad that the Bills need Welker, Gronk and Hernandez gone, and probably Brady to have a chance according to our posts. Â Sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 I'm going to say it. Â Kudos to the Pats and Robert Kraft for cutting him so quickly. They most definitely could have cut him at a more advantageous time to alleviate the cap pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 It'll actually be ex-Giant Jake Ballard I believe. Â Yup. That move sure worked out for NE. Â So, one would assume that the Pats spoke to Hernandez directly and he told them something otherwise they wouldn't take this step. How long until Hoody's subpeona arrives? Â I would assume the Patriots have insider knowledge of the investigation and know that AH is likely to be in prison for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph W. Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Sad that the Bills need Welker, Gronk and Hernandez gone, and probably Brady to have a chance according to our posts. How is it sad teams lose players every year. Why is it pity for us that the Pats have been making dumb decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadDad Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 where is Tonya Jarding with a pipe when you need her? Â Nah with his three major escape valves out of the game I think the Buffalo D will prove to be a very good substitute for Tonya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Should be bring him in for a look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Sad that the Bills need Welker, Gronk and Hernandez gone, and probably Brady to have a chance according to our posts. Yea, it's sad that we need leading nfl receiver, one of, if not, the best tight end tandem in the league and one of the best QB's in the league out to have a chance. I think most other teams fans(particularly AFC East Fans) would love have most of them out the week they play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Yea, it's sad that we need leading nfl receiver, one of, if not, the best tight end tandem in the league and one of the best QB's in the league out to have a chance. I think most other teams fans(particularly AFC East Fans) would love have most of them out the week they play them. Â @NFLONFOX: FACT: Of Tom Brady's 634 targets last season, 75.2% were to players no longer with the Patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Â How is it sad teams lose players every year. Why is it pity for us that the Pats have been making dumb decisions. Â ill agree here. hopefully they dont pull a rabbit out of their hats and turn amendola into welker and all of a sudden us a camp fodder cut from some team as some magical weapon like they have in the past. Â they took risks, they got rewards, and they face consequences. theyve handled losing talent before, but typically with a bit more warning and ability to plan for it. itll be interesting to see what direction they go. it seems they werent altogether ignoring the risks with gronk and AH though, as every year we have talked about how many TEs can they possibly sign... but itll be tough (impossible) to fully replace that talent at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Yup. That move sure worked out for NE.    I would assume the Patriots have insider knowledge of the investigation and know that AH is likely to be in prison for a long time. But wouldn't it have been cheaper/easier to just put him on some kind of reserved non-football related list where they keep his rights but don't have to pay him until the mess is cleaned up and he goes to jail or is free? Then they don't take a cap hit. Gotta give them a little credit for dumping him, and taking a cap hit for it before they even know he will be doing any jail time for this just to get him off the team and no longer be a distraction I'm waiting for the NFL to step in and award the Pats with some type of rule change/clause that will allow them to not have to count his salary for cutting him against the cap due to the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Yup. That move sure worked out for NE. Doesn't appear likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 ah, but tebow is a good enough prospect to merit the change. got it. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Wondering what will feel worse...  A) Losing to the Pats when Brady was out for a year  or  B) Losing to the Pats when Brady loses 3 out of top 4 targets? Plus a possibly injured Gronk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Fear Donald Jones. Fear him I say. i have been since he was let go by us. Even more sine the Pats picked him up. He's gonna be a pro bowler coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Â Huh? Â Â True, but the AH thing will still create somewhat of a circus and now they'll have to answer questions about moving Tebow to TE, how it's going, if he's pissed he's not playing QB anymore, etc. Â seems you think that tebow is a good enough TE prospect, and those guys bad enough ones to merit a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Wondering what will feel worse...  A) Losing to the Pats when Brady was out for a year  or  B) Losing to the Pats when Brady loses 3 out of top 4 targets? Plus a possibly injured Gronk... We can decide if and when it happens.  i have been since he was let go by us. Even more sine the Pats picked him up. He's gonna be a pro bowler coming soon. I'll take that bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 @MattBowen41 Would expect #Patriots to adapt game plan with more "Posse" personnel (3WR-1TE-1RB) on the field...and the offense still runs through No.12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 @MattBowen41 Would expect #Patriots to adapt game plan with more "Posse" personnel (3WR-1TE-1RB) on the field...and the offense still runs through No.12. Â oh no - a new offense for the pats and we wont have tape on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Just popping in. We're the other 2 un-named guys arrested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 seems you think that tebow is a good enough TE prospect, and those guys bad enough ones to merit a change. I don't think Tebow is a good enough TE prospect, but the Pats might be forced to play him there since they have a need at TE now and he's useless as a QB. I mean with Brady on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMan Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 But wouldn't it have been cheaper/easier to just put him on some kind of reserved non-football related list where they keep his rights but don't have to pay him until the mess is cleaned up and he goes to jail or is free? Then they don't take a cap hit. Gotta give them a little credit for dumping him, and taking a cap hit for it before they even know he will be doing any jail time for this just to get him off the team and no longer be a distraction  I'm waiting for the NFL to step in and award the Pats with some type of rule change/clause that will allow them to not have to count his salary for cutting him against the cap due to the situation  Given what happened to the Falcons and Vick's contract (they couldn't recover his signing bonus after he was convicted), I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats included a clause in AH's contract to recover funds from him if he were convicted of a felony. I'm not sure if the collective bargaining agreement would allow this but given AH's background and red flags before the draft, that's what I would do. If they can recover the bonus money, I wonder how or if this affects their cap utilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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