Chilly Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Per Text, we finally hired one. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-2/Bills-name-Pat-Morris-offensive-line-coach/dfa44805-4c6e-4206-af86-1ec8e0939b03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo1983 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 This guy has coached OL since 1978. That's what I call experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Oh great, another inexperienced Syracuse crony hire!! Wait, what...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Not bald? Not impressed. Just kidding. Tons of experience? Sounds like he might know what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 D'Alesandris couldn't have been better than is guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Actually I think Marrone gets a pass on his OL coach and his OC since these are his specialities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Morris has coached the line that led a #1 rushing attack 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Oh great, another inexperienced Syracuse crony hire!! Wait, what...? Arrrrrgh...an old retread! PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Was out of football last year. Probably forgot everything he ever knew. We're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Someone quick, break out his Wins/Loss record as a OL coach. This will obviously determine his worth as a position coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 im sure someone will find a way to spin this negative....just give it time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 In 25 years??? That's 12%...that blows...DOOMED!!!! Morris has coached the line that led a #1 rushing attack 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Man, this guy is old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 In 25 years??? That's 12%...that blows...DOOMED!!!! Damn you math.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Morris has coached the line that led a #1 rushing attack 3 times. We're those 3 with Peterson in minny? Or which years? I'd be curious to learn more about the schemes and backs involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 We're those 3 with Peterson in minny? Or which years? I'd be curious to learn more about the schemes and backs involved SF --- 1998 - Garrison Hearst leading rusher SF -- 1999- Charlie Garner leading rusher MN- 2007 - Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor (Tavaris Jackson QB) Do your own freakin research next time.... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 CHAMPIONSHIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Over his 15 years in the NFL, his teams have finished in the top 10 in rushing 9 times...not too shabby. Average team rushing rank (1997 to 2011)--11th overall (average 2,035 yards, 4.4 YPC) 2011 Tampa--30th 2010 Minnesota--10th 2009 Minnesota--13th 2008 Minnesota--5th 2007 Minnesota--1st 2006 Minnesota--16th 2005 Detroit--26th 2004 Detroit--19th 2003 San Francisco--5th 2002 San Francisco--6th 2001 San Francisco--2nd 2000 San Francisco--18th 1999 San Francisco--1st 1998 San Francisco--1st 1997 San Francisco--8th Other than the 2011 stint in Tampa (LeGarret Blount) and his two years in Detroit (Kevin Jones) , his teams have had really strong running games. And yes, it helps to have Adrian Peterson and Garrison Hearst for much of that time! This looks like a very good hire, although I wonder why he was out of the league in 2012.... Edited January 20, 2013 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Over his 15 years in the NFL, his teams have finished in the top 10 in rushing 9 times...not too shabby. Average team rushing rank (1997 to 2011)--11th overall (average 2,035 yards, 4.4 YPC) 2011 Tampa--30th 2010 Minnesota--10th 2009 Minnesota--13th 2008 Minnesota--5th 2007 Minnesota--1st 2006 Minnesota--16th 2005 Detroit--26th 2004 Detroit--19th 2003 San Francisco--5th 2002 San Francisco--6th 2001 San Francisco--2nd 2000 San Francisco--18th 1999 San Francisco--1st 1998 San Francisco--1st 1997 San Francisco--8th Other than the 2011 stint in Tampa (LeGarret Blount) and his two years in Detroit (Kevin Jones) , his teams have had really strong running games. And yes, it helps to have Adrian Peterson and Garrison Hearst for much of that time! This looks like a very good hire, although I wonder why he was out of the league in 2012.... He was waiting for the Buffalo Job to open up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) And yes, it helps to have Adrian Peterson and Garrison Hearst for much of that time! This looks like a very good hire, although I wonder why he was out of the league in 2012.... Crediting this guy for Petersons success if like crediting McCoy for Manning's success. Wait, people are doing that. I wonder about the sacks allowed. Hmmm. 2011. #1 Buffalo Bills. #11 Tampa Bay Bucs. 2010: #14 Bills, #18 Vikings 2009: #28 Bills, #18 Vikings. Do I sense a trend here? What was the reason for the meteoric rise of our OL, personnel or coaching? Edited January 20, 2013 by kas23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) As a group, I have been very unimpressed by the coaching staff hires. None of them appear outstanding and some appear down right questionable. Maybe they will be great, but only time will tell. Edited January 20, 2013 by Billsguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCity Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Can't argue the hire due to a strong resume, but interested to see what he does with a line that was performing very well under D'Allesandris. As BillsGuy, time will tell, but my expectations for most of the units are higher. Not because of change, but because of minds that aren't stale and stubborn (I'm looking at you Wanny and Chan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeyBomb Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Does anybody remember how much NFL OL experience Joe D'Alessandris had when he started?? The answer may surprise you if you don't remember. It's 5 years total. 3 years with Buffalo and 2 years as OL assistant with KC. http://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches/joe-dalessandris/688adbac-4dd4-49d8-be7c-98463346bf27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Over his 15 years in the NFL, his teams have finished in the top 10 in rushing 9 times...not too shabby. Average team rushing rank (1997 to 2011)--11th overall (average 2,035 yards, 4.4 YPC) 2011 Tampa--30th 2010 Minnesota--10th 2009 Minnesota--13th 2008 Minnesota--5th 2007 Minnesota--1st 2006 Minnesota--16th 2005 Detroit--26th 2004 Detroit--19th 2003 San Francisco--5th 2002 San Francisco--6th 2001 San Francisco--2nd 2000 San Francisco--18th 1999 San Francisco--1st 1998 San Francisco--1st 1997 San Francisco--8th Other than the 2011 stint in Tampa (LeGarret Blount) and his two years in Detroit (Kevin Jones) , his teams have had really strong running games. And yes, it helps to have Adrian Peterson and Garrison Hearst for much of that time! This looks like a very good hire, although I wonder why he was out of the league in 2012.... Detroit was too busy drafting WR's to worry about the line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) The link is our friend. Besides, it's a short read. Here's one quote: "Morris has guided an offensive line that paved the way for a top 10 rushing offense nine times in his 15-year NFL coaching career, including three years as the league’s best (1998, 1999 and 2007). Morris’ offensive lines also blocked for a 1,000-yard rusher 11 times in his 15 seasons in the NFL." Crediting this guy for Petersons success if like crediting McCoy for Manning's success. Wait, people are doing that. I wonder about the sacks allowed. Hmmm. 2011. #1 Buffalo Bills. #11 Tampa Bay Bucs. 2010: #14 Bills, #18 Vikings 2009: #28 Bills, #18 Vikings. Do I sense a trend here? What was the reason for the meteoric rise of our OL, personnel or coaching? Haven't you heard? The Bills proficiency in sacks allowed has nothing to do with the skill or talent of the blockers and has only to do with Fitz' ability to get rid of the ball quickly. However when criticizing the Bills new O-line Coach, it apparently becomes valid to point to sack numbers to make the case that he's a bad hire. Gotcha, Kas. BTW two of the three times Morris coached the NFL's top rushing attacks, he was in San Francisco and his lead rushers were Garrison Hearst in 1998 and Charlie Garner in 1999 so your statement about Adrian Peterson is a bit off. Edited January 20, 2013 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 This guy hasn't seen a treadmill in years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Don't look for a vast improvement in passing or rushing. There is a reason he was not a coach last year. Footballoutsiders.com stats shows the offenses he was involved with were in the bottom half of the NFL. I am now getting a tad apprehensive of the staffing choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Don't look for a vast improvement in passing or rushing. There is a reason he was not a coach last year. Footballoutsiders.com stats shows the offenses he was involved with were in the bottom half of the NFL. I am now getting a tad apprehensive of the staffing choices. Care to excerpt some of those stats? To not do so is to basically make unsupported statements. Clearly basic stats show that the teams Morris was associated with were generally excellent at running the ball. What exactly are you gleaning from the Footballoutsiders stats? Is your unsupported statement based on his 13 years as an O-line coach or are you basing your statement also on the 2 years as an assistant and TE Coach? Basically, what are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Now....I told you it wouldnt take a long for someone to find fault with it.... Dont forget....some bills fans ENJOY being miserable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTO Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I am not at all worried about this move. If Morris starts to slip as did Wannstedt then Marrone can easily fire him and resolve the issue by filling in. Don't forget Marrone was an OL coach and was a player. This may also be a case of 2 heads are better than one. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in Syracuse Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I think different ideas and coaching style can be a benefit to an offensive line. This guy has plenty of knowledge and experience. I am not worried. Marrone is going to tailor and offense to the skill set of his players and Morris will follow his lead and improve fundamentals. He is benefiting from a front office who have drafted and found solid FA o-lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 D'Alesandris couldn't have been better than is guy. Seriously, why was he not given his job back? He did a great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Defense-adjusted Value Over Average (DVOA) system is used by Football Outsiders. Pat Morris coached the Offensive lines on the following teams: San Francisco 1999-2003, Detroit 2004-2005, Minnesota 2006-2010, Tampa Bay 2011. The Offense Rankings using DVOA weighs all factors just not net yardage. Team, year, pass rank, run rank. SF 1999 21/2, SF 2000 2/12, SF 2001 4/2, SF 2002 4/2, SF 2003 10/7, Det 2004 24/21, Det 2005 27/23, Minn 2006 31/22, Minn 2007 23/3, Minn 2008 24/21, Minn 2009 4/23, Minn 2010 30/8, Tampa 2011 24/15. Great web site for stat geeks. Happy now SJBF? Edited January 20, 2013 by Nitro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 He looks like a Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 im sure someone will find a way to spin this negative....just give it time Okay, I'll bite. According to Football Outsiders (since we Buffalonians are all into analytics now), Morris hasn't been very successful since he left the 49ers after the 2003 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Oh great, another inexperienced Syracuse crony hire!! Wait, what...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Defense-adjusted Value Over Average (DVOA) system is used by Football Outsiders. Pat Morris coached the Offensive lines on the following teams: San Francisco 1999-2003, Detroit 2004-2005, Minnesota 2006-2010, Tampa Bay 2011. The Offense Rankings using DVOA weighs all factors just not net yardage. Team, year, pass rank, run rank. SF 1999 21/2, SF 2000 2/12, SF 2001 4/2, SF 2002 4/2, SF 2003 10/7, Det 2004 24/21, Det 2005 27/23, Minn 2006 31/22, Minn 2007 23/3, Minn 2008 24/21, Minn 2009 4/23, Minn 2010 30/8, Tampa 2011 24/15. Great web site for stat geeks. Happy now SJBF? Happy? So you think your findings are actually conclusive? It would be great if the world were so shallow. More people would be smart. We're just scratching the surface of this discussion and not anywhere near a conclusion. Who were the head coaches of those teams? Who were the offensive coordinators on those teams? Who were the quarterbacks on those teams? Who did he have on the O-line? Do you really expect that simply wheeling out some stats supports your statement: "Don't look for a vast improvement in passing or rushing. There is a reason he was not a coach last year." Or as a stat geek, do you consider stats to be the gospel? Perhaps you don't believe in examining the situation that created those stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 San Jose why are you even accomodating this tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 San Jose why are you even accomodating this tool He's a genuine fan and enjoys intelligent discussion with others based on facts and opinions. SJ peels back the skin on the onion like few others here do. He's an asset to this site. The other guy... not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I wonder how Andy Levitre likes the hire; by all accounts the OL to a man were big fans of D'Alessandris. I don't care about the guys under contract, but it would be nice if Levitre is comfortable with the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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