BillsPhan Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 So much for the bloggers at Scout.com knowing what they were talking about. Makes me wonder why their moronic smart ass opinions mocking Gailey's practices out for being too soft and spending too much time on special teams were even posted. Marvin Lewis's North squads practices, according to "more then one scout", were more physical and "scoutable"? Really? Well if the North practiced so much tougher, how could the South have out rushed them 127 to 0. (Yes - the North netted 0, (ZERO) yards rushing.) And how could the South have held the ball for over 35 minutes to the North's 25 minutes? And how could the South have outgained the North 317 - 238? Chan Gailey was subjected to cheap shots by the media and competing scouts around the NFL. He certainly wasn't perfect during the Bills' 4-12-0 season, but he accepted this opportunity to bring his coaches to Mobile and work with these kids for two weeks, and in the end his team won easily. I say, Good job representing the Buffalo Bills Chan, and let's hope those extra days getting to know his South team pays off in the draft this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Kudos to Chan & co. Leonard Hankerson went off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Shows how dumb M Lewis to start Locker, He sucked and during practice. Kaepernick is the only who showed any thing out there for the North and that was under a lot pressure. Kid has got skills and Chan could mold him into a star. Ponder was nice but we already have Fitz. Von Miller, Ryan Kerrigan, Brooks Reed, Colin McCarthy, Leonard Hankerson, Phil Taylor looked good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggieScooby Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Chan Gailey can prove his real coaching worth the next 2 years figuring he'll get 2 more seasons to turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 i'm glad gailey was frustrating scouts. scouting is all about getting good lucks. why should gailey give other teams good looks? i scout baseball in taiwan and local scouts are always feeding bad info to out of town scouts who fly in. one guy from the braves spent a whole weekend in the wrong city looking for a baseball field that didn't exist because a rival scout fed him false info on the flight over. all is fair in love, war, and scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Chan Gailey can prove his real coaching worth the next 2 years figuring he'll get 2 more seasons to turn it around. Whatever... That's not what the Post was about...I don't disagree with you're point, but these idiots ripped Gailey and the Bills Staff for the way they were Coaching these Kids and today it looked pretty clear which side was better prepared to play... I'm not willing to give anyone in this Bills Organization a pass when the real bullets fly either...But I don't see a reason for pessimism in this case at all...They were clearly criticized and in the end it seems like they did a pretty good Job in helping these Kids get better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Who was the Asian coach on the Bills staff helping DeHaven with special teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 how come the Bills rush d allows 23452152 yards a game then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) how come the Bills rush d allows 23452152 yards a game then? Got to get the players.Was Dave Wanny there? Edited January 30, 2011 by fansince88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynchMob23 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Who was the Asian coach on the Bills staff helping DeHaven with special teams? Phil Kwan, asst ST coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 how come the Bills rush d allows 23452152 yards a game then? Because they had the worst starting four LB's in the league. So much for the bloggers at Scout.com knowing what they were talking about. Makes me wonder why their moronic smart ass opinions mocking Gailey's practices out for being too soft and spending too much time on special teams were even posted. Marvin Lewis's North squads practices, according to "more then one scout", were more physical and "scoutable"? Really? Well if the North practiced so much tougher, how could the South have out rushed them 127 to 0. (Yes - the North netted 0, (ZERO) yards rushing.) And how could the South have held the ball for over 35 minutes to the North's 25 minutes? And how could the South have outgained the North 317 - 238? Chan Gailey was subjected to cheap shots by the media and competing scouts around the NFL. He certainly wasn't perfect during the Bills' 4-12-0 season, but he accepted this opportunity to bring his coaches to Mobile and work with these kids for two weeks, and in the end his team won easily. I say, Good job representing the Buffalo Bills Chan, and let's hope those extra days getting to know his South team pays off in the draft this year! That Scouts.com post was FoS to begin with. Frankly, I think it was a hoax. I watched one of the practices from earlier in the week on NFL Network and there is no correspondence between that so-called report and what I saw. The NFL Network guys - especially Mayock - were consistently praising Gailey's staff - with specifics - not vagueries. The practices I saw over 90 minutes had zero special teams action and lots of great drills and physical play across the board. Still nice to see Gailey put the nail in whatever that BS was with a big win... Oh - and in case you hadn't heard from those idiots who were mocking before - the consensus was also that the NORTH sqaud was much more highly rated going in. So Chan and his people actually got much more with less. Oooops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Congratulations to Chan and the coaching staff for taking on and being successful at this additional mission. Let's hope that the exposure to some of the best college players (on both teams) pays off for us. - Having Chan coach the South put me in the odd position of rooting for the rebels, but all's well that ends well. - Way to represent Chan!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 So much for the bloggers at Scout.com knowing what they were talking about. Makes me wonder why their moronic smart ass opinions mocking Gailey's practices out for being too soft and spending too much time on special teams were even posted. Marvin Lewis's North squads practices, according to "more then one scout", were more physical and "scoutable"? Really? Well if the North practiced so much tougher, how could the South have out rushed them 127 to 0. (Yes - the North netted 0, (ZERO) yards rushing.) And how could the South have held the ball for over 35 minutes to the North's 25 minutes? And how could the South have outgained the North 317 - 238? Chan Gailey was subjected to cheap shots by the media and competing scouts around the NFL. He certainly wasn't perfect during the Bills' 4-12-0 season, but he accepted this opportunity to bring his coaches to Mobile and work with these kids for two weeks, and in the end his team won easily. I say, Good job representing the Buffalo Bills Chan, and let's hope those extra days getting to know his South team pays off in the draft this year! Yep I am shocked that the North Offensive line did not preform better than they did. That line was loaded with talent. I know that Carmini pulled out of the game at the last minute but they still had a lot of talent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The other tidbit that makes the South win so beautiful is the report I read stating that the North squad had more and better pro prospects. This tells me that with the higher level of talent we should be getting (because our roster really leaves a lot to be desired), there is hope for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Because they had the worst starting four LB's in the league. That Scouts.com post was FoS to begin with. Frankly, I think it was a hoax. I watched one of the practices from earlier in the week on NFL Network and there is no correspondence between that so-called report and what I saw. The NFL Network guys - especially Mayock - were consistently praising Gailey's staff - with specifics - not vagueries. The practices I saw over 90 minutes had zero special teams action and lots of great drills and physical play across the board. Still nice to see Gailey put the nail in whatever that BS was with a big win... Oh - and in case you hadn't heard from those idiots who were mocking before - the consensus was also that the NORTH sqaud was much more highly rated going in. So Chan and his people actually got much more with less. Oooops! One thing you cannot really criticize Gailey for are his practices. I have watched them in the company of other highly respected local coaches and he gets high marks from them. Gailey coaches fundamentals very well. His practices are classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saundena Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) Congratulations to Chan and the coaching staff for taking on and being successful at this additional mission. Let's hope that the exposure to some of the best college players (on both teams) pays off for us. Thats what I'm hoping for too. Going into the draft, it's nice know with some degree of certainty which players can make the transition to the NFL. Most Coaches and GMs don't have a chance like this to see what players are really like. This can only be a good thing for the Bills! Edited January 30, 2011 by saundena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) Got to get the players.Was Dave Wanny there? I made it too the game....On the sidlines the entire time. I did "not" see our new assistant head coach at the game. I'm not sure if he was there during the week. Edited January 30, 2011 by KellyToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I made it too the game....On the sidlines the entire time. I did "not" see our new assistant head coach at the game. I'm not sure if he was there during the week. He was not there. His job was to stay in the cold and watch film of our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 One thing you cannot really criticize Gailey for are his practices. I have watched them in the company of other highly respected local coaches and he gets high marks from them. Gailey coaches fundamentals very well. His practices are classic. He had his squad ready to go and they stuck it to the "more talented" North squad. There are a ton of factors that go into making a football team, and for an all star game - coaches don't have a lot of time as they're together for one week and play a single game. I think the North squad looked like they'd been paying attention to their agents than to the fundamentals and just did not seem like they were into the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) That's not what the Post was about...I don't disagree with you're point, but these idiots ripped Gailey and the Bills Staff for the way they were Coaching these Kids and today it looked pretty clear which side was better prepared to play... Geez. Don't you people get it? No one, particularly scouts, give a flying !@#$ if any team was "prepared to play" or who wins a dumb-ass exhibition game. They wanted to get a good look at the kids coming out in the next draft all together and feel Gailey wasted this opportunity while the other coach did not. That is what they were bitching about. They are scouting the kids, not the coaches. Get it? Move on. Edited January 30, 2011 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Geez. Don't you people get it? No one, particularly scouts, give a flying !@#$ if any team was "prepared to play" or who wins a dumb-ass exhibition game. They wanted to get a good look at the kids coming out in the next draft all together and feel Gailey wasted this opportunity while the other coach did not. That is what they were bitching about. They are scouting the kids, not the coaches. Get it? Move on. So Chan is supposed to run a dog & pony show to make some hack writers happy? If anyone needs to unwad his panties its Mike Lombardo. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Geez. Don't you people get it? No one, particularly scouts, give a flying !@#$ if any team was "prepared to play" or who wins a dumb-ass exhibition game. They wanted to get a good look at the kids coming out in the next draft all together and feel Gailey wasted this opportunity while the other coach did not. That is what they were bitching about. They are scouting the kids, not the coaches. Get it? Move on. Yeah, because how they do in practice means more than how they do in an actual game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Yeah, because how they do in practice means more than how they do in an actual game. Jauron football: It worked well on Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Geez. Don't you people get it? No one, particularly scouts, give a flying !@#$ if any team was "prepared to play" or who wins a dumb-ass exhibition game. They wanted to get a good look at the kids coming out in the next draft all together and feel Gailey wasted this opportunity while the other coach did not. That is what they were bitching about. They are scouting the kids, not the coaches. Get it? Move on. It is you who don't get it my friend. A coaching staff's job is to get their team prepared to play in games. It is not to showcase them for scouts and reporters. This staff did their job. And they did it quite well. By getting them prepared, they allowed them to showcase their skills under game conditions, not on a practice field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggieScooby Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Whatever... That's not what the Post was about...I don't disagree with you're point, but these idiots ripped Gailey and the Bills Staff for the way they were Coaching these Kids and today it looked pretty clear which side was better prepared to play... I'm not willing to give anyone in this Bills Organization a pass when the real bullets fly either...But I don't see a reason for pessimism in this case at all...They were clearly criticized and in the end it seems like they did a pretty good Job in helping these Kids get better... fair enough...I don't agree with bashing somebody and made they had an axe to grind, but Gailey was accused of not conducting scout worthy practices, that's fair game imo...let's just see what improvement Gailey can do in year 2. Remember the bottom teams send their coaching staffs to the senior bowl...if he wins he won't have to go back to mobile. i'd much rather have gailey getting our guys ready for super bowl 46 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Geez. Don't you people get it? No one, particularly scouts, give a flying !@#$ if any team was "prepared to play" or who wins a dumb-ass exhibition game. They wanted to get a good look at the kids coming out in the next draft all together and feel Gailey wasted this opportunity while the other coach did not. That is what they were bitching about. They are scouting the kids, not the coaches. Get it? Move on. I fail to see the logic where a coaching staff is teaching the players certain techniques to help them be better and be prepared for what is coming in their futures as something a scout or coach from another team would see it in a negative light. Whatever Gailey and his staff did, teaching wise and movement wise (Carpenter to LT - Acho as a DE and OLB, for example) is has to be seen as valuable, not only for the players themselves, but for the Bills and the rest of the teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 It is you who don't get it my friend. A coaching staff's job is to get their team prepared to play in games. It is not to showcase them for scouts and reporters. This staff did their job. And they did it quite well. By getting them prepared, they allowed them to showcase their skills under game conditions, not on a practice field. Man you guys still don't get this do you. Coaching staffs job to get players prepared to play in a game? Couldn't be more true in a game that means something. Couldn't be more off the mark for a silly little exhibition game like this. What does it matter which team wins? Did you watch (assuming you did) to see hard hitting football or to see the next draft class? It is the same with the scouts, but they also get value watching practice as well as the pretty little no-one-gets-hurt-above-all-else exhibition game. These scouts were pissed because they missed out on what they thought was a good opportunity to see the next draft class work out rather than watching walk throughs. Is this really hard to comprehend? Gailey can do whatever he likes and he did, I really don't give a ****. I was (and am still) explaining why the scouts - you know, the people whose job it is to evaluate players entering the draft - didn't like it and were bitching about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hplarrm Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Geez. Don't you people get it? No one, particularly scouts, give a flying !@#$ if any team was "prepared to play" or who wins a dumb-ass exhibition game. They wanted to get a good look at the kids coming out in the next draft all together and feel Gailey wasted this opportunity while the other coach did not. That is what they were bitching about. They are scouting the kids, not the coaches. Get it? Move on. I think folks may not want to move on because this comment makes little sense. I agrees that scouts want to see how players perform at the aspects of the game which will determine whether they are going to contribute as NFL players or not. Does this or other posters think that what is going to determine whether the overwhelming vast majority of drafted players are going to contribute to a team or not is how they perform on ST. Only a little over half of players who even merit 1st round choices are going to be starters for the teams which chose them after a full year of play (at least that is my observation from an examination of depth charts in a couple of seasons comparing who was drafter the previous spring and who is listed as #1 on team's depth charts after the season). A real miss in the conventional wisdom is the declaration that a player drafted in the first MUST be a starter his first year or the pick is a bust. While an example like perennial Pro Bowler Eric Moulds is the exception rather than the rule (a legit Pro Bowl talent eventually who simply produced next to nothing his first two years) it certainly seems to me that there are a ton of players who while they never ascend to be judged Pro Bowl worthy (yes a popularity contest but to some extent players become popular by producing on the field. The Scouts post seems to fall victim to the problem which is present in many casual fans that they focus too much on how an athlete plays a particular position when the truth is that starters take up 22 positions and a few specialty guys but half the roster is made up of guys who if they do not play ST well they are not gonna be on the roster. The real scouts are likely pleased as punch to get players who they get to judge how they perform in an ST oriented practice they are watching. Further, the players themselves if they are smart are quote pleased to get walked through an NFL ST drill several times so they can make a great first impression whatever team they go to. Folks at Scouts Inc are likely pissed that seeing mostly ST stuff forces them to do some real work in assessing players. However, given the game score and the pro oriented practice the folks who actually make their living scouting rather than punditizing are likely quite pleased for what is described as the Gailey style rather than the off=point and it appears less game effective Lewis style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) Man you guys still don't get this do you. Coaching staffs job to get players prepared to play in a game? Couldn't be more true in a game that means something. Couldn't be more off the mark for a silly little exhibition game like this. What does it matter which team wins? Did you watch (assuming you did) to see hard hitting football or to see the next draft class? It is the same with the scouts, but they also get value watching practice as well as the pretty little no-one-gets-hurt-above-all-else exhibition game. These scouts were pissed because they missed out on what they thought was a good opportunity to see the next draft class work out rather than watching walk throughs. Is this really hard to comprehend? Gailey can do whatever he likes and he did, I really don't give a ****. I was (and am still) explaining why the scouts - you know, the people whose job it is to evaluate players entering the draft - didn't like it and were bitching about it. This is a sarcastic joke post? Maybe they should have just run timed sprints and lifted weights? Edited January 31, 2011 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I heard Trent Edwards was awesome in practice... He should be an all pro then right? The scouts are bitches, they have the entire actual game to scout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynchMob23 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 One thing to note: the "scouts" in this case are internet journalists from scout and other draft related websites. The team and National Scouts (National, BLESTO) have seen these kids, at their schools mind you, practice and play games. So the real people that were offended were the guys who don't do that work during the year outside of going to the odd game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I doubt Chan cared how the kids looked in practice to real scouts, much less internet bloggers. And how many of the players who looked good in "better" North practices actually looked good in the game? On which would you place more credence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 One thing to note: the "scouts" in this case are internet journalists from scout and other draft related websites. The team and National Scouts (National, BLESTO) have seen these kids, at their schools mind you, practice and play games. So the real people that were offended were the guys who don't do that work during the year outside of going to the odd game. Excellent point. The scouts have seen these kids over the course of their college careers. The Senior Bowl is a chance for coaches and GMs from around the league to see them up close. And, contrary to some opinion, the "game" isn't meaningless to them, let alone the players. You show well in this game, meaningless as it is, and your draft stock can rise. Often times dramatically. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Geez. Don't you people get it? No one, particularly scouts, give a flying !@#$ if any team was "prepared to play" or who wins a dumb-ass exhibition game. They wanted to get a good look at the kids coming out in the next draft all together and feel Gailey wasted this opportunity while the other coach did not. That is what they were bitching about. They are scouting the kids, not the coaches. Get it? Move on. This couldn't be better for us. Hands on experience, still being able to scout the north, and not giving as much of the south squads secrets to other teams in attendance. Not great relationship building around the league, but good for the draft certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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