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They also clearly did not need him to start his rookie year. He was brought in to prepare for Edmunds departure.

Still doesn't equal the poster who referred to 'Edmunds' as 'Edwards'.

Yes, Beane has stocked the O side. Consistently, and not just last year. With FAs and with draft picks. But just look at top three rounds, your most important picks. Firsts: Offense: Kincaid, Diggs, Allen Defense: Elam, Rousseau, Oliver, Edmunds, Seconds: Offense: Torrence, Cook, Cody Ford, Defense: Basham, Epenesa Thirds: Offense: Spencer Brown, Moss, Singletary, Knox Defense: Dorian Williams, Terrel Bernard, Harrison Phillips That's pretty even overall. And I very much agree with you about trading up for a WR. Trading up a bit? Sure. Trading up and giving up two firsts and a second? Borderline nuts. The studies have said so again and again. And again. Look at Massey-Thaler, the Harvard Sports Collective and every other study out there. The only smart trade-up where you give up so much is for a QB you think will be your franchise guy. Otherwise, the odds are stacked against you with that kind of move. You decrease your chances of success. It's not one or two studies that say that, It's about all of them.

Agreed. And gone are Edmunds, Poyer, Hyde, White, Settle etc.. That doesn't absolve Diggs. He's a WR1 making big money. He hasn't stepped up when it matters.

I think we’re going to get answers on McDermott over the next couple seasons. Im interested to see how the rebuild on defense goes. Terrel Bernard’s success kind of made me dig in deeper for McDermott. I mean he literally hand picked that guy to replace Edmunds and every fan and media member thought he was crazy.

Not sure what the OP is really getting at, but the most recent time we drafted immediate starters in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft was last year in Kincaid and Torrence. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/draft.htm If you look at the Bills sorry draft history and looking for good players with our 1st two picks, you come back with 2018 (Allen & Edmunds), 2017 (White, Zay Jones & Dion Dawkins - although Jones is better in Jax then he ever was with us), 2007 (Lynch & Pusluszny), 2003 (McGahee and Kelsey), and 2001 (Clements & Schobel). Not exactly a great drafting history. I am excited about the last two drafts, especially 2022. So far there are 4 starters from that class (Cook (2nd), Bernard (3rd), Shakir (5th) & Benford (6th)) and that is even with the 1st rd miss in Elam. This rivals 2018 (Allen, Edmunds, Philips, Taron Johnson and Wyatt Teller) and 2017 (White, Jones, Dawkins, and Milano) What is the best class in Bills' history? 1985 - Bruce Smith, Chris Burkett, Frank Reich, Andre Reed and Dale Hellestrae? Of the 12 Bills draftees to play 200 or more NFL games, 3 come from the 1985 class. (Class also includes 2 of the 6 Bills HOF draftees who actually played for Buffalo.)

Seeing as the Bills got totally screwed on the conpensitory pick for Edmunds it wouldn't surprise me if Beane bundled some lat round picks to get into the 3rd round .

Edmunds remains a cautionary tale on trading up.

I would disagree with this only because Allen was 21, Edmunds was 20, Rousseau was 20, Oliver 21, Elam 20. When Beane takes athletic profiles in round 1 he does it when they’re extremely young. He has never take a 23 year old raw prospect. If you looking at athletic profiles and youth your looking at Brian Thomas and AD Mitchell Even Keon Coleman is 20 but I wouldn’t consider him an athletic freak

When I hear Beane talk about WRs it sounds like McConkey to me. When I think about the athletic profiles that Beane has gone after early (Josh, Edmunds, Rousseau, Oliver, Elam) he loves physical talent with upside. His actions make me think it’s Legette.

I wouldn't rule out a trade to either move up or back. Beane has shown he will do that. Allen and Edmunds are examples of that as far as moving up goes.

didn't we trade up for kinkaid? we traded down for tre, but up (i think) for elam. we traded up for josh, and i THINK for edmunds. we've done some 2nd round and perhaps 3rd round (that im forgetting) trade ups too. we traded our first for diggs as well. it's clear to me beane looks at the draft as a place to get talent, and does not see much value in just having draft picks (remember when new england was obsessed with 2nd round picks and traded like every year for them? lol). with 11 picks, i think we are keeping at most 7 players we draft this year, and maybe less (as in, on opening day). the WR, S, DT and DE free agency signings shows me they filled out as much need and depth that they could prior to the draft, so it is a pretty sure bet that beane will target his guys as they are potentially available, and wheel and deal all over the place to get them. most likely, i think there is less of a run on wrs than expected, so he'll trade up to get someone he sees as a like top 4 or 5 wr and a like 12th best player at pick 15-20. i think 2nd and 3rd round trades are likely too, where he grabs someone they think is a stud S or 3 tech as well. OL and big RB are the other things we walk away with earlier rather than later in the draft.

Too many people discount the importance of luck once you get to the playoffs. Teams are very evenly matched and all it takes is one weird bounce of the ball, one key defender to get dinged at the wrong time, etc. Our O has been good enough to get to the SB for a couple years now. Josh plays outstanding in the playoffs even if there are bumps along the way in the regular season. I think our downfall recently has been 1) Key defensive injuries and 2) Our “star” offensive/defensive players not stepping up and making a play in the playoffs when it needs to be made. Edmunds never made a play in 5 years, Von was toast last season, Oliver does a disappearing act every year in the playoffs, Bernard and Milano weren’t available and both are playmakers. Josh played well but Diggs drops a bomb, Sherfleid (not a star) drops 2 bombs. Josh can’t be the only guy on the team raising his game in the playoffs. The difference between us and KC in the playoffs is Chris Jones pushing O-line back into Josh so he couldn’t step up and hit a wide open Shakir. KC defensive stars make plays in the playoffs, ours disappear or aren’t even on the field.

But that was a team built through its defense. I mean Duke freaking Williams was our #1 pass catching target in that game. We had 3 below average starters on the line in Ford, Feliciano, and Spain. On defense the entire starting roster was on the field. White, Milano, Edmunds, Oliver, Lotulelei, Hyde, Poyer, Johnson. Many of those players in their prime. That was supposed to be the unit that led us to victory, not a still learning Josh Allen and his below average supporting cast. And you say teams can't win playoff games scoring 16 points and getting shut out in the 2nd half. The Chiefs just won the AFCCG scoring 17 points and getting shut out in the 2nd half. Against a better offense than what the Texans fielded in 2019. Their team like our 2019 Bills was built through the defense, with a deficit of talent on the offensive side (although still vastly superior to what we fielded in 2019). Why was Spagnuolo able to make that formula work and McDermott wasn't?

I see Davis as the offensive loss equivalent to the departure of Edmunds on defense. Davis was a starter the last 2 seasons had very good games but also was what he was and played a certain way. A way the defense knew how to stop or contain. Samuel offers diversity in attack. Has the speed to run past coverage while also experience running routes and receiving handoffs out of the backfield. Samuel makes the offense harder to defend and excels at beating man. Buffalo has struggled to beat man if Diggs is taken away.

yeah they got ran over. The whole defense really sucked. Would've been nice to have been in a shootout. Here's Jackson Carman absolutely posterizing Edmunds. I used to have this in gif form.

Tbh, this was the game i gave up on Edmunds. I watched him get pancaked out of the stadium on third and 1 by Jackson Carman after watching Hayden Hurst eat all afternoon in the middle of the field, and I had finally realized the scarecrow sucked.

They could have just let him walk and *maybe* if they hold their water and don't sign anyone to negate that value, get a comp pick. Instead, they definitely got a higher pick in hand........which (based on the Edmunds equation) could be more than a full round higher than a comp pick in the same 2025 draft. In 2017 the Texans traded a second round pick to the Browns to eat Brock Osweiler's $16M in cash and $10M in cap space. Those figures equate to $24.5M and $15.3M in todays cap dollars. So don't discount the value of finding a 3rd rounder on the street.

My bad, you were mocking the idea that it was worth franchise tagging a player to get just a 3rd and 7th round pick? So the Bills were wise not to do so with Gilmore? Was that your attempt at a point? Gilmore was worth more then than Sneed was now because of the way defense is played now. Like I said he was the TOP free agent in that class. Sneed would not have been. There was even a franchise QB in this years free agent class. Times have changed. Those picks are valuable.........Beane literally crafted much of his free agent activity last offseason to try to get a later 3rd round pick in 2024 and it was a gut punch when they didn't get it. Back in that 2017-2019 range there were a lot of defensive players being tagged and traded for picks ranging from 1st's to 3rd's. Clowney, Frank Clark, Dee Ford to name a few. And in 2020 even a safety in Jamal Adams was traded for 2 first round picks after he got upset about having his 5th year option picked up by the Jets instead of getting a new contract. In short, the circumstances around Sneed's free agency are not the same. As for the contracts..........remember that at the time the top of the CB market was $13M the top of the WR market was about $16M(Sammy Watkins 2018). Now, the top of the CB market is going to be about HALF of the top of the WR market when Jefferson gets his $35M+ aav. CB is no longer paid like a premium position. They are being paid more like G's and Tackles. Sneed's $19M aav is just a million more than Tremaine Edmunds got as an off-ball LB. I was wrong about Woods being an All Pro but he was 13th among NFL players in in receiving yards in both 2018 and 2019. Making him a stud producer at a time when the Bills didn't have a receiver inside the top 30 in the league in receiving yards. So the Bills got NOTHING AT ALL in compensation for losing a top producing WR and an NFL defensive MVP. Mistakes were made.

The bills got like 80 starts out of Tre White and Edmunds like a piece Sure it's not a quarterback.. but the NFL is all circumstances You cannot convince me that Patrick mahomes would be a three-time super bowl champion if the bills drafted him... especially with dennison as OC.. So much around the world of the NFL would change including the bills probably never trading for diggs... And that's not even mentioning the massive impact reid has had on his development The bills also ended up with a franchise quarterback even if it was by dumb luck and got a cornerback who made an all pro team and a linebacker who made multiple pro bowls and got a massive contract The fact we got two pro bowl quality players is a return... And then striking gold with Allen next year We certainly did not get fleeced like the browns pics they got for Julio trade They got lots of picks and did nothing... The bills absolutely did stuff with our picks

WR and edge - doesn't matter which comes first No team drafts BPA and certainly Beane does not. Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, Epenesa, Rousseau, Elam, and even Kinciad were all positions of absolute need at the time they were drafted.

Of course, but trading back in the first round isn't Beanes style. He's traded up four times in the first round in six years. Allen, Edmunds, Elam, Kincaid. The fools in Las Vegas have them fourth. I'd say they're a contender.

Regarding this list.... IMO........offensive talent(especially when placed around an elite QB) tends to provide longer lasting results. That's one of the reasons why you should invest MORE early picks offensively than on defense. The Bills are only now just "approaching" 50%.......that's still not enough. Go back and look at that list of Green Bay first round picks when they were spending a decade ignoring a 1st round WR for Rodgers. Some pretty good players but not a lot of legs. And I said it then, the Tre White and Tremaine Edmunds for Pat Mahomes pick trade was going to age poorly QUICKLY. Most defenders roll up mileage fast and then when they hit FA they are more likely to be let to leave. I'm sure someone will say......."well look at the Chiefs they invest a lot of early picks on defense"..........but they were balls-out investing in offense until after they'd won a SB. They had two 1,000 yard receiving targets in Hill and Kelce and STILL paid Sammy Watkins huge money in FA. And Watkins was a stud for them in the playoffs, including sealing their first SB win burning Richard Sherman late. When you've got a Lombardi in hand you basically arrive to the stadium with a lead in almost every playoff game against any team that doesn't. We watched it with NE for almost 2 decades. We had a lesser version of it with Buffalo back in the 1990's. Once you break thru that ceiling you need a little less talent to do it again each time.

Just like the Bills got a third for Edmunds.

I don't see that happening, unfortunately. It would have happened by now. They "corrected" Cincinnati fairly quickly and there's been nothing since. And you best believe Beane was on the phone immediately just like Cincinnati was. It seems that Edmunds being hurt for a couple games hurt us. Wild that even on another team, Edmunds still found a way to disappoint us.