Boatdrinks

I don’t think many fans have high hopes for this offense, but if they’re terrible fans will complain. That’s just how it is, even when expectations are modest. It is true that offenses are usually behind the defenses early in the season; perhaps that gives the Bills a better chance in this game of surprising the Ravens. I’m not counting on it by any means. The sloppy conditions might balance things out a bit and lead to a few turnovers.

It’s a little easier to accept a “RELAX” when it’s coming from an Aaron Rodgers with a good team around him. The Bills offense has to prove themselves credible before relax can apply after a poor performance.

I think Troup was worse because the Bills had needed a TE for years and they passed up Gronkowski to draft Troup. No one great was selected after Brooks in round 2 , and Gronkowski wasn’t exactly a secret. He was a 1st round talent coming off an injury and everyone knew he would go somewhere early in round two. I don’t recall if Brooks got injured his rookie year or whatever, but to me Troup’s futility coupled with the forgoing of Gronkowski makes Troup the worse pick of the two. Maybe because Brooks was so long ago and the team was still pretty good after that. Just my opinion, you see it differently and that’s fine.

I said a “decent stint as ..l” not a “decent “DB . A stint is a period of time at a job . 5 years is above the NFL average. It means nothing about the quality of the job holder. He did ok for himself. There is nothing to admit. I never said he was any kind of good player, or even draft pick. There absolutely have been worse second round picks made by the Bills. Troup was a worse pick than Brooks, for example. I don’t even think he ever suited up for the team. That is worse.

You are misconstruing what I said about Brooks. I said he had a “ decent stint” as a DB. That doesn’t make any judgment on the kind of player he was. The average NFL career is still somewhere around 3 years. Brooks was in the league for 5. That’s a decent amount of time and he did OK for himself. He was nowhere near a top player in the league, nor are the players you mentioned. For the very few who ever get a chance to be an NFL player, sticking in the league as a backup, ST player or whatever for 5 years is doing better than average. Also, just a side note: I don’t think Brooks was drafted by Polian. He was fired after SB XXVII, and Brooks was drafted in ‘94. That would make him a John Butler draft pick.

I don’t care about stats or how bad Brooks was as a WR or a draft pick. He managed to hang around in the NFL for 5 years and that’s doing ok for himself. Decent, in other words. He wasn’t a starting CB or anything , just a DB in the league. If I had to pick a worst 2 nd rounder for the Bills it would be Torrel Troup ( ?). He was picked while Gronkowski was on the board and barely suited up for the Bills due to constant injury issues. Don’t know if he ever even appeared in a game. Was a higher 2nd rounder than Brooks as well. Anyway, it doesn’t have any effect on the validity of Brook’s opinions. That is the larger point.

He had a decent stint as a DB and managed to stick around for a few seasons. Not a good WR though. Still has nothing to do with the validity of his analysis. The Bills Oline is a huge area of concern right now.

Yep, they know it’ll help sell more overpriced sweatshop -produced shoes to minority youth , by peddling the idea that it’s cool to hate cops. Great job Nike. Funny how so many that feel the NFL policy on protests was bad because it showed the NFL only cares about money love this move by Nike. Then justify it by saying “ hey, Nike is in business to make money”.

Nah. He just wasn’t all that enthused about playing zone D and made it known. The “ process” weeded him out.

This. I think it was the beginning of “ Ralph is cheap”. Anyway, the guy was a UDFA and they had him cheap for awhile. When it came time to pay him as a LT they traded him. He’d still be on the Oline today. Guy was a player.

The Bills organization post- Wade Phillips was truly bush league and something of an embarrassment. They provided Sully with plenty of material to write his column. Their constant bungling brought a droning sameness to his writing, but there’s that old saying about the messenger. The Pegulas didn’t get off to a great start bringing in sexy Rexy and his clown show buffoonery. I give Sullivan credit for not going along with a change in format that he felt was lacking. It would have been easier to stick around than to stick with his convictions.

I found it refreshing to hear how the players really felt about this, instead of going right to the cliche book. Right or wrong, it was interesting.

One team is serious about winning another Super Bowl. The other team is well, the Raiders.

It was worse than the Seahawks mindlapse a few years ago. It was a whole quarter of stupidity!

Around 200 net. I can see a few sacks being given up here. One TD to go with a couple INTs.

If he sucks you bring Ryan back. Or someone else. I just can’t get too worked up over a Punter. Maybe if the “ Guy” they cut was Ray. He wasn’t.

The Steelers are simply maintaining their business model by not caving to Bell. They’ve always been known as one of the more frugal organizations in the NFL. It’s worked well for them for decades, so why change it. The franchise tag, while especially restrictive for RBs and their shorter careers is still a tool made available to management in the CBA. Nothing wrong with it. Perhaps the players should negotiate a better CBA for themselves. The RB position has been devalued in the NFL for some time now. Is either side really wrong here ? Bell is doing what he is able to with the options he has. So are the Steelers. I’ll bet many on this board would almost always side with management if this thread were on PPP involving a business other than a sports league. Not sure why this should be any different. It’s management vs unionized labor.

Cool, but the drought is over. Curious why rumblings would be talking drought stuff now ? I mean, I get it ended just last season and whatever but let it go...

If Peterman pukes on his shoes, I still want him to start the next 3 games. I want the Bills to work out their Oline issues, and they may as well verify that NP isn’t the next Brady and put that issue to bed. There is no real sexy looking spot to start Allen in games 1-4, and once he does start there is no turning back. At home vs TEN looks like a likely spot for Allen’s first NFL start.

If Peterman actually plays really well, the board wont be upset. How long has this fanbase been waiting for good QB play again ?

No, I don’t think ego had anything to do with it. Starting NP to begin the season was the obvious choice. Not so much because of what Peterman brings to the table, but as I’ve said before it is a move with zero downside. None. If things go swimmingly and Peterman is lights out, you win. If Peterman is bad, you still buy time for Allen. The Oline can work their issues out for a few games. When the record is around 1-5 or so, you switch to Allen and no one will mention Peterman again. If you start Allen to begin the season and he struggles, all kinds of trouble can arise. Including injury, which could set the process back.

Or at least they rarely get called for holding. They do seem to be able to plug in random players who were driving a beer truck or selling insurance the week before and get by. I’m not sure how.

This. I have a gut feeling he’s going to be targeted with misdirection multiple times in this contest.

I’ll root for the Bills to win every game and make the playoffs, as per usual. Haven’t the Browns owned the first pick a half dozen times in the last decade ?

Look, Starting Nate Peterman has far more to with other issues on the team than it does with Peterman himself. Far more than you would care to admit. This is more about the Oline, Allen’s newness to the pro-style passing game, and the simple fact that there is zero downside to starting Peterman over Allen. If Peterman kills it ( unlikely, I know..) and turns into the next Brady, McDermott doesn’t have a care in the world. Heck, he’s having a parade ! If he struggles and shows his limitations en route to a 1-5 start, you plug in Allen and no one is clamoring for more Peterman. Regardless of Allen’s ups and downs. If you start Allen out of the gate and he inevitably has a rough go of it, the whispers about Peterman begin in the media, then the fanbase, then maybe the locker room. That cannot be allowed to happen. The only logical choice is to start Nate Peterman. There is virtually no losing scenario. I’m not sure how anyone ( including Vic Carruci) can honestly be surprised by this decision. I’m actually more surprised the NYJ are starting Darnold week one than I am about NP. While I was pretty sure it would be MCarron, he actually had some trade value and it may as well be NP. They’re pretty interchangeable, really.