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Lol. Well the Bills talked to the Colts at least a week before the Jets trade. No one was outwitted. You can have all the " capital" you want , but the Jets had something the Bills didn't . A high draft pick in round one. It was simply too good for the Colts to pass up as they risk almost nothing moving from 3 to 6 with the Jets going QB. That's still high enough to move down again if things really heat up for the last QB. The Jets were already ahead of the Bills in the draft order. 6 is better than 12 the way the draft works. This isn't hard to understand, so I'll assume you are capable of doing so.

Please elaborate on how Beane choked. The draft has yet to happen.

Lol build both lines. I can't remember a year where there wasn't an outcry from a portion of the fanbase about improving the Oline. Even during the SB years. It's just ingrained in some Bills fans: you must have a perfect team to win, so build the lines and LBs. Any QB will be ruined behind our OL yadda yadda yadda. The line is fine OP, the QB has been terrible.

If the Bills move to 2 from 12 it will either take a massive premium or a bridge move to 7 first. Some team will covet that # 2 pick for a QB as it gives the most possible certainty of the player to be available ( obviously Browns not moving from 1). Will it be the Bills? The Pats are tough to figure, and they're probably looking to get a LT to protect Brady for the remainder of his career. Is it crazy to think they may move to get his replacement a couple years early and throw Gronkowski in to a deal for pick 2? They've never been afraid to trade their players away with substantial tread left on the tires. The G-men seem to be in a win - now mode with Eli and could make a run with some picks and Gronkowski. I hate the thought of it, but the Pats just can't be counted out.

They might have to. It's quite possible the Giants and Browns won't move off of 2 and 4. That leaves a target of pick #5 ( on down) from there with at least 2 QBs off the board and maybe more. If the Bills don't do it some other team will. Sure, sometimes you get really lucky like the Steelers in '04 getting Big Ben at 12. You can hope for that to happen or have a plan A and B in place. I don't think they'll move up for a player they don't like.

I don't think the bargain price makes it sting at all. The Bills didn't want him back. Looking for a different skill set. There are WRs on the roster that ( supposedly) can play the slot.

It wouldn't make them incapable. They may very well be able to achieve greatness as an NFL QB. They are simply doing something else, somewhere else on planet earth. It's a hackneyed statement that's almost certainly inaccurate. If the argument is that there are few people playing QB in American college football capable of NFL greatness, that's a statement that's likely true. Decades of evidence supports this. On planet earth though? It's hyperbole and probably not true. Yes, I believe instincts would factor into it. If the instincts are not great, it probably lead to slower decision making, and poorer. We've seen plenty of QBs that had the physical traits, but played the game a half beat slow in the NFL. I like to reference Rob Johnson when discussing this, but there are certainly others. He looked the part, and his " arm talent" as it's called these days could wow you in practice. When the red jersey came off though, he was transformed. Perhaps exposed is more accurate. That's why it's so hard to evaluate these players. The game is just faster and more complex.

I think that phrase has become trite hyperbole in the sports talk world. Odds are there are a fair amount of people on the planet that are capable of being great QBs. Just not that many of them that are playing college football in the USA.

It's not that they haven't gotten better at evaluating QBs. They've gotten the measurables down as much as possible. There is so simply no way to evaluate the most important traits a QB must have to succeed at the next level. You can't tell the all important " processor speed" in their head while NFL speed bullets are flying around them. There is no way to do that. You can get a gut feeling as to what makes them tick, what drives them. That's about it. Then throw in external variables like fit , scheme and coaching along with the talent around them. You can determine to a degree which prospects have the best chance to succeed, it still doesn't mean they cannot fail. There is no such thing. Barnwell opines that the NFL is " terrible" at doing the impossible.

I could see this QB as a developmental type prospect

The important question is : Blue cheese dressing ... or ranch ???

Many found it surprising when it was reported. Sometimes the talent, need and cost meet at the right place for it to be worth the risk. It's a crying need on the Bills roster right now, so who knows? It's purely hypothetical and mostly unlikely, but their prior interest shows it's not unthinkable.

The Bills inquired about a trade for Bryant last October before making the Benjamin deal. It's not necessarily just fans

Referring to NFL kickoffs as an exciting play is already in the past tense. Touchbacks are already the norm, the wedge was eliminated and if that wasn't enough they now spot receiving teams the 25 yard line. It's amazing anyone attempts to return kicks as it is. The play is on its last legs in the NFL, existing only because they can't come up with a workaround for the onside kick. They feel it's the most dangerous play in football and have taken just about every step to eliminate returned kicks altogether. At one time though, the kickoff was an exciting play and guys like white shoes Johnson and Mel Gray were in the NFL because of it.

Kelly was at OBD offices ready to sign his NFL contract when the secretary put that fateful call from Bruce Allen through. He was going to play in Buffalo , particularly if there was no USFL. Elway was a very good ballplayer and had the added threat that he could just go play for the Yankees instead of playing football. Kelly had no such leverage. Those kind of moves by college players were not common at the time.

ALL teams want the guy that can do more with less. Those QBs are not common.Maybe 4 or 5 in the league right now. Truly great QBs can win with average talent. Good QBs need good or even great talent around them to succeed. Mediocre ones can't do much regardless.

I'd like it if the Bills traded to their spot before draft day. Just too nerve wracking otherwise and getting to draft day then seeing them stay put would be extra disappointing.

Bills take Josh Allen in 1st round, passing on Mayfield who falls out of top 10. Then take a CB Lamar Jackson is picked in top 15 5 QBs taken in round 1

Bills could simply take bpa at 12 then move up less expensively from 22 to select Rudolph.

Wow, what a complete idiot.

A CB before round 4.

The Bills traded down for Manuel, and probably could have done so twice.

Not BS, but the result of detailed analysis. Remember , these players are prospects and are graded as such. It's far from guaranteed that all of them will produce at the NFL level.

You can't reset the draft pick value chart to suit your own needs. GMs have to live in the real world, not by the #34 fan value chart. Beane will make the move he feels is right in the end , the one that fits in their rebuild plan. He has a limit, and none of us knows what that is and for which player. Bottom line, QB is the most important mportant position on the field. A good QB needs good to great talent around him. A great QB ( there are very few of these) can win with average talent. You try to get a great one when you can, and that's usually at the top of the draft order. It's not exact , but the odds are better.

Marino played in one Super Bowl