The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 And what exactly is this based on? On the fact that he EATS CRAYONS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin is easily the greediest peron drafted in 2009. well, that's obvious: Juan and Eva Peron didn't enter the draft, or at least went unselected. so, by process of elimination, you are correct. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 well, that's obvious: Juan and Eva Peron didn't enter the draft, or at least went unselected. so, by process of elimination, you are correct. jw John, The Perons were actually draft eligible but they were medically red-flagged by pretty much all the NFL teams. There were medical issues involving both of them. Those medical concerns centered mainly on their deaths several decades ago. Crayonz is again, dead on in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 The thing that gets me the most, other than the fact that he should be learning and practicing with the team, is that we are so in the dark on this. There is a fair amount of news each day on both Andre SMith and Crabtree and how the two sides in both cases are far apart. With Maybin there is absolutely nothing. I don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 The thing that gets me the most, other than the fact that he should be learning and practicing with the team, is that we are so in the dark on this. There is a fair amount of news each day on both Andre SMith and Crabtree and how the two sides in both cases are far apart. With Maybin there is absolutely nothing. I don't get it Actually, I am quite happy that it is not being covered. I don't want their negotiations to turn into a media circus. However, I do want the deal to be done soon and him practicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Actually, I am quite happy that it is not being covered. I don't want their negotiations to turn into a media circus. However, I do want the deal to be done soon and him practicing. I don't think that the Maybin situation would turn into a media circus. He's a one year player out of college, low-profile and in a small market. I don't think anyone else cares but us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 John, The Perons were actually draft eligible but they were medically red-flagged by pretty much all the NFL teams. There were medical issues involving both of them. Those medical concerns centered mainly on their deaths several decades ago. Crayonz is again, dead on in this. i realize some might ask you to supply a link in regards to this stunning development, however, i shall trust your sources. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 And what exactly is this based on? Both Smith and Crabtree were at one time touted as possible #1's overall. They are making the case that extenuating circumstances are robbing them of money. I don't agree but that is their contention. Maybin has no such contention and is trying to attach himself to Crabtree's case. That is 100% greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I had hoped it was close for the last couple of weeks but evidently Maybin has been hanging around JAIrus Byrd. He doesn't want to practice. He's not going to go to practice. He's not talking about a game. He's talking about practice. These two guys are an absolute joke. They haven't even played one NFL snap and they are trying to dictate all the rules. The Bills should lower Maybin's offer by $100k a day every day starting tomorrow AM. And they should get their own doctors to check on JAIrus' injury. Do you have anything to base that screeching on at all? Is this all your speculation on what is going on behind closed doors or do you actually have a fact or two to justify your slandering this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 If Maybin's agent is waiting for Crabtree to sign. What happens if Crabtree does not sign? Does that mean that Maybin does not sign either? This is pretty absurd that a guy who has had one good year in college is not signed three and a half weeks into training camp. Do some of you get the feeling that he will never where a Bills uniform? And I am being serious. Maybe the team is pleasantly surprised with Chris Ellis and Copeland Bryan and have basically said this is what we are offering, take it or you can sit the year out? I would really like to hear what Russ Brandon has to say about what the Bills position is. I think as fans we deserve to know where things stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 i realize some might ask you to supply a link in regards to this stunning development, however, i shall trust your sources. jw Speaking of sources, when you going to get to work on that Maybin article you promised last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Is he a Bill yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Both Smith and Crabtree were at one time touted as possible #1's overall. They are making the case that extenuating circumstances are robbing them of money. I don't agree but that is their contention. Maybin has no such contention and is trying to attach himself to Crabtree's case. That is 100% greed. Its actually what most first rounders negotiate their contracts off of, the players taken befoer and after them. Regardless of whether were at one time thought of as #1's doesnt matter, they are still negotiating against the contracts given to players surrounding them. His agent has an idea of what he wants, and so do the Bills. At this point you have nothing to base anything off of other than your speculation. If i was in his shoes id be holding out to ge tas much as possible, the average career is short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 He isn't helping his fanhood though..........and we really need him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Speaking of sources, when you going to get to work on that Maybin article you promised last night? got sidetracked by some Kane developments. hoping today, but not until after practice. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin's holdout is created by Crabtree's holdout. It's a slotting thing, when the person before you sign's then you can slot your salary and sign your contract. Personally I think they can easily project a number and sign based on the projection. Even include and escaltor/descalator clause if Crabtree's number rocks the boat. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 got sidetracked by some Kane developments. hoping today, but not until after practice. jw Thanks. I hope you were Abel to take care of the Kane situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin's holdout is created by Crabtree's holdout. It's a slotting thing, when the person before you sign's then you can slot your salary and sign your contract. Personally I think they can easily project a number and sign based on the projection. Even include and escaltor/descalator clause if Crabtree's number rocks the boat. IMHO While I think most of us get the slotting thing, as you've stated, how hard would it be to project a number. sh--, if I had the time, I could plot all of the signed first round contracts and where Crabtree and Maybin should fall. This isn't difficult. Right now, I think he's getting bad advice or the Bills are really pinching pennies...err hundreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Thanks. I hope you were Abel to take care of the Kane situation. Oy. Go to your room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Thanks. I hope you were Abel to take care of the Kane situation. oh, brother(s)! (cousins, actually) jw hey, you started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBills51 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I really think this whole slotting scenario is being blown out of proportion. If this were the main factor in Maybin's holdout then how did Knowshon Moreno sign without Aaron Maybin being signed before him...or Brian Orakpo without Moreno being signed. Many players signed before they were slotted....Maybin is just trying to squeeze out every dollar by attaching himself to Crabtree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's in My Blood Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I would love it if in the next CBA , the owners and NFLPA could address this issue with unproven rookies holding out deep into training camp, hurting the team and the players themselves. IMO, the best way to deal with it would be to cap rookie salaries. For example , players taken the first 3 rounds should have a ceiling on the amount of money they could sign for based on which round they were taken in , and backload it with performance incentives ( games played,sacks,receptions,etc.) I know its a pipedream and the NFLPA would never go for it but I think it would be an improvement over the current system of unproved kids holding out for millions. But hey, I would hold out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I would love it if in the next CBA , the owners and NFLPA could address this issue with unproven rookies holding out deep into training camp, hurting the team and the players themselves. IMO, the best way to deal with it would be to cap rookie salaries. For example , players taken the first 3 rounds should have a ceiling on the amount of money they could sign for based on which round they were taken in , and backload it with performance incentives ( games played,sacks,receptions,etc.) I know its a pipedream and the NFLPA would never go for it but I think it would be an improvement over the current system of unproved kids holding out for millions. But hey, I would hold out too. I agree, the NBA has a rookie salary cap, the NFL should as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 While I think most of us get the slotting thing, as you've stated, how hard would it be to project a number. sh--, if I had the time, I could plot all of the signed first round contracts and where Crabtree and Maybin should fall. This isn't difficult. Right now, I think he's getting bad advice or the Bills are really pinching pennies...err hundreds. I agree, easy to project a number. I have no idea who is holding that up. Bills , agents ? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 as far as i ma concerned yhis is our team back went out and no maybin this kid is not going to be a leader for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Ike Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin's holdout is created by Crabtree's holdout. It's a slotting thing, when the person before you sign's then you can slot your salary and sign your contract. Personally I think they can easily project a number and sign based on the projection. Even include and escaltor/descalator clause if Crabtree's number rocks the boat. IMHO This would also explain why picks 12-32 have not signed... because 12 can't sign without 11, 13 can't sign without 12, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I really think this whole slotting scenario is being blown out of proportion. If this were the main factor in Maybin's holdout then how did Knowshon Moreno sign without Aaron Maybin being signed before him...or Brian Orakpo without Moreno being signed. Many players signed before they were slotted....Maybin is just trying to squeeze out every dollar by attaching himself to Crabtree. Yes and i've grown tired of it. Sign the f-ckin piece of paper, become a millionaire and get your lagging ass out on the field Aaron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I really think this whole slotting scenario is being blown out of proportion. If this were the main factor in Maybin's holdout then how did Knowshon Moreno sign without Aaron Maybin being signed before him...or Brian Orakpo without Moreno being signed. Many players signed before they were slotted....Maybin is just trying to squeeze out every dollar by attaching himself to Crabtree. Amen....And this makes me fear - is he afraid that this will be the best contract he ever can get? Maybe inside, he knows he is a one hit wonder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I really think this whole slotting scenario is being blown out of proportion. If this were the main factor in Maybin's holdout then how did Knowshon Moreno sign without Aaron Maybin being signed before him...or Brian Orakpo without Moreno being signed. Many players signed before they were slotted....Maybin is just trying to squeeze out every dollar by attaching himself to Crabtree. :lol: Money Maybin .I wish we could trade his sorry azz right now. It will take alot of sacks tohelp me to root for Franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 as far as i ma concerned yhis is our team back went out and no maybin this kid is not going to be a leader for us John, WTF? This is not you, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I thought I stated it pretty clearly, but here goes: there has been nothing, absolutely nothing, said by either side (Bills or Maybin) to indicate that offers have been exchanged, or that conversations are even taking place. Compare it to the Crabtree situation, where the team clearly made an offer, and the player clearly rejected it, as has been covered (albeit ad naseum) in the media. All I've ever heard on Maybin is that his deal is dependent upon the Crabtree deal, and that conversations are not taking place. And in response to your second question: it's actually really, really easy...if you don't have a contract offer, you can't sign one. If you don't sign a contract, you can't participate in practice (hence the holdout). How could that possibly confuse you? Here's a nice comparison to every day life: if you don't get a job offer after going on an interview, can you still not have a job, or is the only way to be jobless to reject a job offer? Whoa! Get a load of you! Well, my questions were pretty tricky..... Just pointing out that it's hard to say you're "negotiating" if neither side has made an offer. If you want to believe that it is possible that the Bills have not had a conversation or conversations with Maybin's reps simply because you haven't heard of any such meetings......go right ahead, I guess. My question was a way of suggesting that there may be things that you and I are not privy to regarding this issue. Your answer suggests that you have not or will not consider this possibility. Anyway, an AP story a week ago (jw, perhaps?) mentioned the "slow pace of contract talks" and "stalled negotiations". Pardon me if I logically concluded that, therefore, there had been communication between the parties. By the way, did the Bills FO inform you that they had resigned DJ last fall? They refused to confirm (out of shame no doubt) this to the rest of us until after the season. How about when they were started negotiating with TO? No? That's odd. As for your example--it couldn't be less appropriate (on several levels)---Maybin has, by being drafted by the Bills, already been offered the job. This is a compensation issue, not an employment issue. But to answer you question anyway: If you don't get offered a job, yeah, I guess that's one way to remain jobless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Why cant the Bills just offer him a contract that may be a certain percent higher then the 11th pick last year and then put a clause in the contract that if the #10 pick gets a contract worth more than $X amount of dollars then the Bills will adjust Maybins contract to reflect his worth. Jeez anything to just get him suited up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 The player needs to get on the field today. He is richers than 95% of the posters here once he signs. i know the Bills are offering a fair contract ask, Leodis and Lynch & Whitner. His agent must be the real problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 we need another thread about maybin signing, don't we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Maybin's financial affairs are none of Mrs. Cravitz' business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Yes and i've grown tired of it. Sign the f-ckin piece of paper, become a millionaire and get your lagging ass out on the field Aaron! never fails to amaze me how the team with the power to end this impass always gets a free pass. maybe if the Bills operated like a PROFESSIONAL football team that was committed to winning, and not like a bunch of penny pinching tightwads, they would have their players in camp on time. there is no excuse for the Bills slotting is just more mumbo-jumbo to manipulate the lemmings as noted above, if all the teams followed the Bills philosopjy, none of the rookies drafted after Crabtree would be signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 John Warrorw's update: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news...pickmaybin.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 John Warrorw's update: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news...pickmaybin.html Just reading the first few lines you can grasp how much catching up Aaron is going to have to attempt to do, "As of Tuesday, Maybin has missed 21 practices, 15 walkthroughs, countless film study sessions and two preseason games since the Bills opened camp in suburban Rochester on July 25." That's alot of reps at full speed and alot of information in the film room to have missed out on. The longer he's out, the less likely he will be any sort of a factor this season. So what if he's just a "pass rushing specialist". He needs to have his tail in here working with the players and coaches trying to get himself ready for the MNF season opener. He still needs to learn the defensive plays and responsibilities. Almost half of his opportunity for progression and conditioning have been tossed away. I also don't buy, "He was crying because he couldn't be on the field" and "This Crabtree kid is messing everyone else up" . Bull crap. Search for the common ground of compromise and get your butt in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 never fails to amaze me how the team with the power to end this impass always gets a free pass. maybe if the Bills operated like a PROFESSIONAL football team that was committed to winning, and not like a bunch of penny pinching tightwads, they would have their players in camp on time. there is no excuse for the Bills slotting is just more mumbo-jumbo to manipulate the lemmings as noted above, if all the teams followed the Bills philosopjy, none of the rookies drafted after Crabtree would be signed. If the Bills paid everyone 5 slots higher than their selection number, would that make them professional? The Bills have signed all of their picks except one. All first round picks have signed except three. Two of those three are players who at one point were listed as top of the draft talent. The third was picked higher than expected. Maybin's own people are the ones saying they are waiting for Crabtree. And the Bills are unprofessional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 never fails to amaze me how the team with the power to end this impass always gets a free pass. maybe if the Bills operated like a PROFESSIONAL football team that was committed to winning, and not like a bunch of penny pinching tightwads, they would have their players in camp on time. there is no excuse for the Bills slotting is just more mumbo-jumbo to manipulate the lemmings as noted above, if all the teams followed the Bills philosopjy, none of the rookies drafted after Crabtree would be signed. Is it really all that hard to accept that the team that is paying Schobel and Kelsay millions to not sack the QB might possibly not have a clue when it comes to contract negotiations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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