Cosell's Comments on the Bills

[SoonerBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

Thanks for sharing although as others have pointed out, most of us probably agree. 

 

I stopped listening to WGR so I don't hear him much anymore, but I remember him on One Bills Live just after the 2024 draft. Regarding Coleman, the Bills were talking about how he'd be great on contested catches. Cosell made a comment (I'm sure I don't remember the numbers correctly, but you'll get the idea) that a 40% success rate on contested catches is excellent but a 70% success rate when the catch isn't contested is pretty bad. Therefore, taking Coleman over someone who has shown the ability to separate was a bad move. Excellent point that I hadn't thought of in quite that way before.

he wasn't high on Coleman. Felt going into the draft we should move up for BTJ, but where we were, we should have taken someone like McConkey.   Seems he was right.

[warrior9]

39 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He has said it for awhile now and YES...this man knows football.

Go watch and realllllly listen to him talk about players. It's the most generic stuff you'll ever hear. 

 

"Yeah this guy at QB, really hits his 3 step drop and gets rid of the ball" 

 

He offers nothing insightful. Listen to him on ESPN when he was talking about the Bills in the offseason. Of Hoecht: "This guy is multi dimensional, plays a lot of positions, is tough. Can put his hand in the ground or stand up."

 

MOST of his takes are like that. 

 

From the OP:

 

"They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. "

 

What did you learn in here that you didn't already know? This is repeated on this board time and time again. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

20 minutes ago, skibum said:

Who cares what Greg Cosell thinks? He's a journalist. Never played football in his life. He's no more an expert than any other fan like you or I. 

Thanks for posting Brandon.

[HOUSE]

30 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I guess that settles it ... were done

Yep, screwed 

[T.E.]

6 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

My question is will Mcdermott's butt pucker up like has in the playoffs, or will he just coach like he normally does.  He just gets too tight and you can see it in his face and his decisions. 

Yup, and the worst part is that it spreads to the players over the course of the game.

[TheFunPolice]

Think of it this way:

 

Baltimore was said to be one of, if not the, most talented rosters in the league before the season began. 

 

If they make it in they could be a problem but their schedule is brutal down the stretch. Bengals could be tough if they somehow win that division, but their entire team is based on Burrow throwing to Higgins and Chase, which is hard to stop but when you only pass eventually something bad, like a sack fumble, key drop, tipped pass INT, or just a bad throw, is bound to happen eventually. 

 

I'd worry about the Ravens in the playoffs but nobody else. I see people scared of the Texans. The TEXANS! LOL

 

Yes, they beat us on TNF and sacked Allen like 71 times. Atlanta beat us pretty good also on MNF. Would you be scared to see them in the playoffs? 

 

IF the Ravens make it in, they will be the trendy pick and ALL the pressure will be on Lamar to get it done with that supporting cast and defense. 

[warrior9]

This was my post on Cossell in the off-season and talking about our acquisitions:

 

Greg Cosell uses a bunch of very broad words to describe every player and people think he's full of knowledge. He's been doing this for years. 

 

These are his EXACT words from that ESPN segment: 

 

 

Him on Bosa: "Durability is a factor and can be a factor as a pass rusher. He's not dominate but he's effective" 

Him on Hoecht : "He's a very disciplined player, he sets things up for other people and can play everywhere."

Him on Larry Ogunjobi: "Classic rotational player that's solid. He's a guy you want in your DT room and he's a good rotational player. He's just one of those players that no one thinks about because he doesn't get sacks but he's critical"

Him on Palmer: "He's 6'1 210 and I thought he could be a good player. He has a lot of traits and vertical ability and maybe he needed a change of scenery."

 

Oh thanks for the insight, Greg! 

 

From the OP:

 

"They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. "

 

What did you learn in here that you didn't already know? This is repeated on this board time and time again. 

 

Oh thanks for the insight. Greg! 

 

He doesn't provide ANYTHING of value. 

Edited 4 hours ago by warrior9

[mannc]

25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I don't think there's any proof of this narrative. 

What would convince you?

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

He just plagiarized Two Bills Drive; we've been saying that all year!

[Draconator]

13 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

<Checks job description to see whether he is responsible for being newcam's unpaid personal editor>

I got you. (Why? I have no idea)

 

@newcam2012 When you go to the original post of this thread, click on edit. In there, you can edit the title yourself. Maybe something like "Cosell? Yuck!" or "Which one of you is really Greg Cosell?" 

[Coffeesforclosers]

5 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

This was my post on Cossell in the off-season and talking about our acquisitions:

 

Greg Cosell uses a bunch of very broad words to describe every player and people think he's full of knowledge. He's been doing this for years. 

 

These are his EXACT words from that ESPN segment: 

 

 

Him on Bosa: "Durability is a factor and can be a factor as a pass rusher. He's not dominate but he's effective" 

Him on Hoecht : "He's a very disciplined player, he sets things up for other people and can play everywhere."

Him on Larry Ogunjobi: "Classic rotational player that's solid. He's a guy you want in your DT room and he's a good rotational player. He's just one of those players that no one thinks about because he doesn't get sacks but he's critical"

Him on Palmer: "He's 6'1 210 and I thought he could be a good player. He has a lot of traits and vertical ability and maybe he needed a change of scenery."

 

Oh thanks for the insight, Greg! 

 

From the OP:

 

"They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. "

 

What did you learn in here that you didn't already know? This is repeated on this board time and time again. 

 

Oh thanks for the insight. Greg! 

 

He doesn't provide ANYTHING of value. 

 

But he does offer validation for people who...like repeating what we all already know, and feel the need to discuss ad nauseam.

[SCBills]

He’s had this opinion for a while now, and it’s correct. 
 

The most deflating thing for me was hearing Pats fans talk about how their FA signings and draft picks have been such a hit this year. 
 

Outside of Bosa, Hawes and Walker, we’ve gotten next to nothing. 
 

Hoecht, PED suspension then immediately done for the year. 
 

Hairston, injury, still getting acclimated. 
 

Sanders, injury, playing out of position now. 
 

Jackson, nothing, then hurt. 
 

Palmer, basically hurt all year. 
 

Ogunjobi, suspended, just a guy. 
 

This year was supposed the be the year we “took our medicine” on the Diggs trade for and it’s been one miss after another… at least this year so far, I certainly hold out hope for guys like Hairston & Sanders. 
 

Edited 4 hours ago by SCBills

[Augie]

57 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Sounds like a random bills fan

 

No, he’s actually quite knowledgeable about football and his negative comments are far more tempered. 

 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

Actually what this team has proven over the years is that it is sustainable to win like that in the playoffs as long as the opponent isn't the Chiefs. It now is extremely likely that we will avoid them. In spite of all the glaring flaws on this roster, that fact alone means we have the best chance we've had in the Allen era.

[DapperCam]

Kalir?

[Mikie2times]

14 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Think of it this way:

 

Baltimore was said to be one of, if not the, most talented rosters in the league before the season began. 

 

If they make it in they could be a problem but their schedule is brutal down the stretch. Bengals could be tough if they somehow win that division, but their entire team is based on Burrow throwing to Higgins and Chase, which is hard to stop but when you only pass eventually something bad, like a sack fumble, key drop, tipped pass INT, or just a bad throw, is bound to happen eventually. 

 

I'd worry about the Ravens in the playoffs but nobody else. I see people scared of the Texans. The TEXANS! LOL

 

Yes, they beat us on TNF and sacked Allen like 71 times. Atlanta beat us pretty good also on MNF. Would you be scared to see them in the playoffs? 

 

IF the Ravens make it in, they will be the trendy pick and ALL the pressure will be on Lamar to get it done with that supporting cast and defense. 

In two games vs them Allen is 33 for 64, been sacked 9 times, has 19 bad throws, more INT's than TD's. It's the best defense in the NFL. They clearly give our offensive line problems. They shut down the screen game as well as anybody in football. They're good enough on offense to get to 20 vs us. Can we? It's a 50/50 game, but they're likely the most difficult playoff match up we would face at this point. 

[QB Bills]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Kalir?

ya, kalir shakelam

 

do you even watch the games?

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

This isn't close to the best iteration of this team. But the competitive landscape is just different this year. 

 

That's exactly right. It's frustrating that the AFC is begging for a powerhouse to reveal itself and we made too many mistakes in the offseason to take ownership of that mantle, but the conference is so weak that it is still more favorable than when we had better rosters in a better conference. This year we are pretty much guaranteed to have the clear QB advantage in every single playoff matchup and that alone should give us confidence. It's extremely rare that a QB like Bo Nix or CJ Stroud makes it into the Super Bowl in the modern era. Possible yes but the odds greatly favor the elite QBs.

[Bray Wyatt]

This all seems like an indictment of Beane and not McD imo

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

Agree and disagree.  Agree on the WR issue but disagree on playmakers.  We have the second best RB in football by yardage, our TE group is good overall, and we have a very good Oline that more times than not gives Josh a chance to be Superman.  On D I would say Benford is a talented guy, and Bosa and Bishop havacome on.