Is there Beane/McDermott Tension???

[Turbo44]

47 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

No one for Josh to throw to yet the Bills are ranked 11th in passing with 2,937 yards.  The top passing yard team, Dallas, has 3,581 yards.  A difference of 644 yards.  Dallas has 109 more passing attempts, most likely due to being behind way more often than Buffalo.

 

So, the nobody's Josh has to throw to are doing pretty damn well. 

 

Okay Mrs. Beane. Bills are 11th due to the  brilliance of Josh Allen. No other qb is this League puts up 4,000 yards passing and 45 total tds with this group a replacement level players. Give Josh a chase/higgins or McConkey/whomever LAC also has or a McLaurin or a Waddle (which Beane got tricked out of getting) and Josh is MVP every year.

[Bferra13]

19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yes my impression lately listening between the lines of Bills media outlets is Beane getting set up as the fall guy. The messaging has been remarkably consistent

 

Which I'm fine w btw. I think he's been decent if not spectacular. 

Not sure what you mean by spectacular... Beane is def not. But he builds the roster on depth and not stars. Whether a person thinks that is a fault or a virtue is up for the debate with the salary cap. He has absolutely derelected the WR position. And Boogie Basham says hi with all his meddling buddy draft picks on the DL. Personally, I wish we had a guy that pushed money to 2033 like Howie Roseman does. But that may be a Pegula restriction. 

[MPL]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think a lot of people are seeing what they want to see and projecting feelings.

The internet has one job: confirm whatever you want to believe. 

[Kelly to Allen]

McDermott ran the same Philosophy as the playoff game vs Cincinnati 4 years ago in the 1st half.... It was a disaster and the same results 

 

He then became more aggressive and it was better.

 

Then up two scores on Allen's last td to Hawes, he reverted back to the same Philosophy and Cincinnati scored in 50 seconds when the game should've been over.... 

 

-2nd half timeout mismanagement, check

-Terrible 3rd dwn defense, check

-End of game drive by opposing QB looking incredibly easy, check 

 

Again, again and again. He doesn't learn 

 

 

As already stated here over a hundred times by other people if the Bills win the Super bowl it will be in spite of Sean McDermott not because of him....

 

I'm getting to the point in the movie office space 

 

" What is it you actually do here?"

 

The only silver lining is that Mahomes and Burrow probably won't be in the playoffs

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[TheFunPolice]

3/4 of the way through the Bengals game the narrative was Allen has no weapons.

 

Then Burrow tossed a floater right to a blitzing CB for 6 and Allen put his cape on so it's all forgotten.

 

But it could still be true. I'm admittedly a crazy optimist who always expects they'll win. It's not an act for the boards.

 

But I'm.also not blind. IF we win it all this year it's because Allen went nuclear in the playoffs and just became unstoppable. 

[Richard Noggin]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

People weren’t reading into whether they were standing next to one another at training camp or comments in press conferences. 
 

The Slay/Ingram fiasco is akin to when JD McKissic bailed on a handshake deal. It’s out of Brandon Beane’s hands, nobody with a brain is pinning that on him. 

 

There is, and should be, some critical questioning of what a mostly-cooked, all-man coverage CB like Slay can really offer the Bills down the stretch, and why is that worth dumping a decent depth DB piece who plays STs? 

 

2 hours ago, Mango said:

 

Curious how much the control of the 53 has shifted since self proclaimed President of Hockey Operations, Terrance Pegula said "I consider myself a football man".

 

I hadn't quite thought of that until your post and you stated "previously".

 

Worth noting that Lindy has more than hinted twice in the last week or so about his lack of control of his roster.

 

This is full tin foil hat theory/conjecture at the moment. But worth noting since they have the same owner.

 

My take on Pegulas success with the Bills v Sabres has always been that it's been McDermott and Beane vs Terry and that keeps Terry from ruining everything. If McBeane are struggling and Terry is weighing in we could see a lot more turbulance.

 

As to the bolded, we're doomed!

 

1 hour ago, MPL said:

The internet has one job: confirm whatever you want to believe. 

 

Amen. 

 

[JGMcD2]

8 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

There is, and should be, some critical questioning of what a mostly-cooked, all-man coverage CB like Slay can really offer the Bills down the stretch, and why is that worth dumping a decent depth DB piece who plays STs? 

Here’s some critical questioning, if Howie Roseman claimed Slay, which he reportedly planned to do… how many people would be cursing Beane and praising Howie for bringing in a savvy vet? I’d bet many of the same critical folks on this thread… 

[Richard Noggin]

32 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Here’s some critical questioning, if Howie Roseman claimed Slay, which he reportedly planned to do… how many people would be cursing Beane and praising Howie for bringing in a savvy vet? I’d bet many of the same critical folks on this thread… 

 

Fair if one cares about how others are perceiving the move, for sure. That's not my focus, though. I'm wondering how good Slay still is and how well he'd fit what the Bills do in the secondary. Howie Roseman has obviously made so many good moves overall, but bringing Slay BACK to Philly (home for his family) is a bit different than bringing him somewhere sight unseen in week 14. People are free to evaluate this how they please. 

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, transient said:

I heard it was because McDermott was jealous that TBD referred to Brandon as Big Baller Beane and a wizard but referred to him as McClappy. 

 

How McEnvious!

 

3 hours ago, Nuncha said:

No one for Josh to throw to yet the Bills are ranked 11th in passing with 2,937 yards.  The top passing yard team, Dallas, has 3,581 yards.  A difference of 644 yards.  Dallas has 109 more passing attempts, most likely due to being behind way more often than Buffalo.

 

So, the nobody's Josh has to throw to are doing pretty damn well. 

 

Yes, but quietly.

 

3 hours ago, todd said:

How quickly threads devolve into negativity and whining.

 

Shut up and fix your teeth, ya goober.

 

😆

 

[ExWNYer]

7 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Beane took the last enchilada at the lunch buffet and things haven’t been the same since. 

 

Afterwards, McDermott angrily remarked, "I guess not everyone eats!" Feud on...

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Here’s some critical questioning, if Howie Roseman claimed Slay, which he reportedly planned to do… how many people would be cursing Beane and praising Howie for bringing in a savvy vet? I’d bet many of the same critical folks on this thread… 

 

One who knows the scheme and played on their Superbowl winning team last season. I think that is a bit different. If say the Ravens were bringing him in and people were praising Eric DaCosta, sure. But the Eagles are a special case when it comes to Slay.

 

What I would say relevant to a different criticism Beane gets is that it proves the point that the Bills are not the only team who look for guys they know and who know them when trying to add injury depth especially late in the year. Roseman is the best GM in the business and just this year has brought back Brandon Graham from retirement, tried to bring back Slay and a couple of guys on the practice squad - most notably Quez Watkins. It's the way the NFL is. Teaching guys your scheme on the fly with limited in-season practices is darn hard these days.

 

[Sweats]

 

.......i can only imagine how that office fight go's down

[KHAN]

12 hours ago, JohnNord said:

It’s all because of the JaMarcus Ingram situation.  Tim Graham described McDermott as “seething” about it.  I just can’t see a way that Beane releases Ingram for Clay without McDermott signing off on it.  

McDermott is always pretty subtle in his messaging when he's upset. He's never "seething" in public. 

 

See also: Tim Graham is a clown always looking for a hot take.

 

 

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

 

.......i can only imagine how that office fight go's down

Sean wrestled in college, and appears to be in very good shape. He'd have Beane counting the lights in under 5 seconds.  

Edited 6 hours ago by KHAN

[Sweats]

9 minutes ago, KHAN said:

McDermott is always pretty subtle in his messaging when he's upset. He's never "seething" in public. 

 

See also: Tim Graham is a clown always looking for a hot take.

 

 

Sean wrestled in college, and appears to be in very good shape. He'd have Beane counting the lights in under 5 seconds.  

 

 

 

 

 

...........Mcd giving the "Beane Bomb"

[Pete]

Yes there is, and once you see it, you constantly see it.

 

listen to their press conferences.  
 

is this Bills team good enough to win the Super Bowl?  McD said “I love this team”.  Beane said “yes it is”.  IMO that’s McD saying the roster isn’t good enough, and Beane saying yes it is.

 

This is just one example.  But when you listen to McDs and Beanes response to the same questions- you see a disconnect.

 

Years ago you often saw McD and Beane together.  You never see them together now.

[OldNMBillsFan]

15 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

McD should be pissed. He has the best QB in the NFL with no one for him to throw to.  Add that instead of drafting WRs he signed mediocre FA who can’t get open and get hurt.  
 

I support Beane in general, but his consistent failure to properly address the WR position is mind boggling and has cost this franchise.

Yet the teams receiving stats sit in or near the top 5 of almost every receiving category.

Tied for 4th with 11.7 YDS per reception.

3rd with 8.2 YDS per passing attempt.

2nd with a 69.8 completion percentage.

Tied for 4th in 1st down percentage per reception with a 56.7%

Tied for 1st in the league with receptions of 20+ yards with 50. 

3rd with receptions of 40 yards or more with 9. 

Tied for 7th in TD receptions with 22.

The Bills are 26th in passing attempts but are extremely effective when they do. Granted these are team stats the include the WR's, TE's, and RB's. But the point I am trying to make is that as a group, he obviously has someone to throw to. 

 

Yes #17 does have a hand in this obviously, but he can't throw it to himself. Well, technically he did once. 

 

Go Bills!!! And stop hating on our receivers!!!!

[SCBills]

There’s 100% tension between them.  
 

They’re rarely ever together. 
 

And while I have legit criticisms of McDermott, this year has made it pretty clear to me that Beane is the bigger hindrance to us getting over the hump.  
 

Just look at McDermott’s post-trade deadline presser.. you could tell he was under the impression help was coming and Beane failed to pull the trigger.  
 

Beane isn’t terrible, but when the margins are so tight and we are paying a QB 50M, he’s got to be better .. and this isn’t isolated to Beane.. seems every team with an elite QB is now struggling with this issue and the Chiefs are finally coming back down to earth as their cheat codes in Kelce & Jones age out. 

[HappyDays]

Am I reading into this too much or is McDermott genuinely pissed at Beane for the whole debacle?

[Mike in Horseheads]

23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Am I reading into this too much or is McDermott genuinely pissed at Beane for the whole debacle?

He sure did sound a little chippy when he said that. Not sure if it was the reporter or Beane he was snipping at

[GASabresIUFan]

2 hours ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

Yet the teams receiving stats sit in or near the top 5 of almost every receiving category.

Tied for 4th with 11.7 YDS per reception.

3rd with 8.2 YDS per passing attempt.

2nd with a 69.8 completion percentage.

Tied for 4th in 1st down percentage per reception with a 56.7%

Tied for 1st in the league with receptions of 20+ yards with 50. 

3rd with receptions of 40 yards or more with 9. 

Tied for 7th in TD receptions with 22.

The Bills are 26th in passing attempts but are extremely effective when they do. Granted these are team stats the include the WR's, TE's, and RB's. But the point I am trying to make is that as a group, he obviously has someone to throw to. 

 

Yes #17 does have a hand in this obviously, but he can't throw it to himself. Well, technically he did once. 

 

Go Bills!!! And stop hating on our receivers!!!!

All those stats are very nice, except it’s the TEs/RBs that are more productive in terms of Yards per catch, yards per attempt, TDs and chunk plays.

 

Josh has thrown to 9 WRs (218 targets) this season with 8 making catches (147 receptions for 1694 yards).  That’s a 67.4% completion %, a 11.5 yards per catch and 7.77 yards per attempt.

 

Josh has thrown to 8 TEs and RBs (156 targets) with all 8 making catches (121 receptions for 1443 yards).  Thats a 77.6% completion %, a 11.9 yards per catch and 9.25 yards per attempt.  This group also leads 12 TDs to 10 with 6 different TEs/RBs catching a TD pass to only 4 WRs.  3 of the 4 longest passing plays have gone to Kincaid, Cook and Johnson.  Slot receiver Shakir has the other.

 

Last I looked the RBs and TEs were supposed to be the safety blankets, not the primary downfield threats.  

 

If the WRs were so good, why has Beane brought in during the season Cooks, Davis and Hardman while releasing Moore?  Injuries are a factor, but so ineffectiveness.  
 

Face it, the strength of our passing attack is Cook, Johnson, Kincaid, Knox and Hawes.  Shakir is having a down year, and the boundary wide outs aren’t good.