Does Mecole make it to next week?

[dorquemada]

52 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Terrible fumble at a terrible time.  Is this all on Mecole or should McD have told him to just fair catch the punt?  

 

I understand he was signed to add a more dynamic presence to the kick return game.  He broke one early and then on kick off they avoided him the rest of the game and got burned by Davis.  I guess my question is should McD have been more conservative with a guy new the organization and has been out of of football for a while, especially on punt returns where the returner is under more immediate pressure than on a kick off.  

 

Given the score and the fact that we'd have had a short field even with a fair catch, I don't think I'd have risked the return in the that situation.  

 

Will the Bills cut Mecole over the mistake?  I understand they announced he left the game with an injury, but I'm a little skeptical.  It feels more like a benching similar to the one Cook received following a bad fumble.

 

Yes, he makes it to next week.

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

11 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I'm gonna guess that was the instruction.  We had base defense on the field, and would have had great field position if he just caught the ball.  It was such a dumb move.  Of his three PRs, he butchered two of them.   Should have FC the first one, too. 

He is an experienced vet, certainly McDermott can by micromanaging each player and reminding them to us comment sense.  Maybe i could see his position coach or the special team coach given him a comment before he went out on the field.

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

He is an experienced vet, certainly McDermott can by micromanaging each player and reminding them to us comment sense.  Maybe i could see his position coach or the special team coach given him a comment before he went out on the field.

It was base D.  We would have had great field position.  Hang time was decent.  It was an idiotic thing to do.  If there wasn't an instruction not to be stupid, then he should have known better than to be stupid.  

[BigAl2526]

McDermott was effusive in his praise oof Hardman.  He's here to stay at least for a while.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It was base D.  We would have had great field position.  Hang time was decent.  It was an idiotic thing to do.  If there wasn't an instruction not to be stupid, then he should have known better than to be stupid.  

You are basically reinforcing my point, coaches esp McD cant go around saying obvious game critical decisions, esp to an experienced vet which he is.  Are coaches supposed to remind players not to make dumb decisions?  Training camp or pre-season for young players, sure.

[Dan Darragh]

1 hour ago, KingBoots8 said:

considering the number of mistakes other players have made and still have their jobs, I chalk this up to a “learning experience” and believe we would keep him 

not to mention coaches.  Nobody was fired after 13 seconds except the special teams coach.  At least 3 other massive coaching blunders contributed to the worst Bills loss since wide right.

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Terrible fumble at a terrible time.  Is this all on Mecole or should McD have told him to just fair catch the punt?  

 

I understand he was signed to add a more dynamic presence to the kick return game.  He broke one early and then on kick off they avoided him the rest of the game and got burned by Davis.  I guess my question is should McD have been more conservative with a guy new the organization and has been out of of football for a while, especially on punt returns where the returner is under more immediate pressure than on a kick off.  

 

Given the score and the fact that we'd have had a short field even with a fair catch, I don't think I'd have risked the return in the that situation.  

 

Will the Bills cut Mecole over the mistake?  I understand they announced he left the game with an injury, but I'm a little skeptical.  It feels more like a benching similar to the one Cook received following a bad fumble.

 

Yes, it was also a coaching mistake not telling him to just fair catch it. Pat Moran talked about this....

 

His speed is needed. Besides at worst he probably just misses a couple games. 

 

 

[Guns N' Rosen]

If Hardman keeps Keon off the field, that's reason-enough for moi to keep Hardman around 😃

 

 

[zow2]

Hardman gets a reprieve because he didn't cost the game.  I'd keep him around.  Seems like he has some juice left.  If he's good for one fumble a season then he got it it out of his system early.   

[Warriorspikes51]

dude is going to catch the SB winner for us of course he's staying 😎

[TDO'Kearney]

37 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Fumbles are unacceptable,  clean out your locker and join our assembled crowd of NFL fumblers from Sunday afternoon.

We are meeting in the main lobby 7pm sharp. Don't be late...bring your gloves.

I mean, the Rams just cut Nacua too.  Accountability has to start somewhere

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Let's see what his practice participation is this week. I don't expect him active Thursday. He was ruled out fairly quick. I think he survives. 

 

They gave Codrington a LOT of chances before cutting bait. And he offered nothing as a CB. Hardman at least may offer something on offense. 

 

My prediction is he's inactive due to the calf this week, and yes I think it's a legitimate injury, and then he has 10 days to heal up, get more practice time in and be active the following game.

Agreed. There's room for some plays on offense for a guy that fast (I'm assuming he hasn't lost significant speed)

[wjag]

I loved his speed and juice.  Hope his "quad injury" doesn't keep him out.

[HOUSE]

1 minute ago, TDO'Kearney said:

I mean, the Rams just cut Nacua too.  Accountability has to start somewhere

That's right, Jerry Rice fumbled twice in his first game, should have been waived

[fasteddie]

42 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

They did use him on a deep throw early, barely missed 

I'd keep him personally

that 61 yard return is enough to overlook the fumble 

Chris Brown said today that Shakir was wide open in the middle of the field on that play. At least he can open up passing lanes unlike any other receiver on the squad.

[Royale with Cheese]

I mean he did have a great kick return too.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I feel like Coddrington went straight to the dog house after 1 muffed punt. Maybe Hardeman gets more of a leash because he is a WR and we can use him on offense. 
 

I will say that it was disappointing that he couldn’t haul in that long bomb. Perfectly thrown. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

If he has a calf injury I think it would be pretty hard to see him make it back on 4 days rest for Thursday night.

 

This was the same player that gave the Bills a fighting chance in the divisional round against KC in the playoffs when they had to come to Buffalo by fumbling thru the endzone at the half yard line when a TD would have put the Chiefs up by 2 scores late in the game which led to the drive Allen missed Shakir in the endzone thanks to Dawkins getting shoved into Allen by Jones as he threw and then Bass missing a FG to tie.

 

Fumbling has definitely been an issue for him throughout his career.  

 

Over his career he has 14 fumbles on 401 career touches, including playoff games. That is a LOT of fumbles for that few touches...it's 1 every 28.6 touches. 

 

It's even worse in the playoffs...regular season it's 10 fumbles on 340 touches (1 every 34 touches). In the playoffs it's 4 fumbles in 61 touches, one every 15.3 touches.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. I think if you showed these stats to Beane he would say "Yup, I'm well aware" and still sign him.

 

The thing is, Beane and McDermott are a lot of things. Thorough happens to be one of them. I predict that they both knew those numbers and are willing to absorb some of the bad for some of the good. They needed a jolt to the offense. They needed a jolt to the return game. He can provide both. And he did in the first time he touched the ball as a Buffalo Bill. I think they are willing to take the bad plays in stride if he can provide a bit of needed juice.

 

The guy had 3 days of practice and hasn't touched a ball in a live game since preseason. I think the likelihood that he wouldn't have his best game right off the bat was high. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

He better.  Immediate impact on ST and had Josh been accurate, he would have had a deep ball

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Terrible fumble at a terrible time.  Is this all on Mecole or should McD have told him to just fair catch the punt?  

 

I understand he was signed to add a more dynamic presence to the kick return game.  He broke one early and then on kick off they avoided him the rest of the game and got burned by Davis.  I guess my question is should McD have been more conservative with a guy new the organization and has been out of of football for a while, especially on punt returns where the returner is under more immediate pressure than on a kick off.  

 

Given the score and the fact that we'd have had a short field even with a fair catch, I don't think I'd have risked the return in the that situation.  

 

Will the Bills cut Mecole over the mistake?  I understand they announced he left the game with an injury, but I'm a little skeptical.  It feels more like a benching similar to the one Cook received following a bad fumble.

Then you better cut James Cook too when he fumbles. Hardman had a crappy debut, but I still like having his and Elijah Moore’s blazing speed on this roster. I hope Brady can get creative. A short 5 yard pass could turn into a TD with solid blocking and a player fast enough to evade the 2nd level of the opposing defense.