According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch (rumored for Texans game too)

[Avisan]

12 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I didn't see it posted here, but one rumor I heard Coleman's being benched tonight because he doesn't want to learn to play ST which where he is on the depth chart right now, he needs to.

If this is true, then the dude really doesn't get it.

 

Mack Hollins has made himself a nice chunk of money as a career WR4/5 guy and is serviceable (not good, but serviceable) when pressed into duty for more than that.  Keon has the opportunity to still make generational wealth if he accepts that role, and could still have a much higher ceiling.

 

Or he can flame out of the league.

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Looking back at the Coleman optimism.  My opinion is the 17th post on the 1st page & I got a lot of negative feedback. 

 

You definitely deserve an apology from whomever did that

[HappyDays]

Beane could have saved himself a lot of criticism if he had taken another WR with that 3rd round pick, Troy Franklin being the obvious name. Not that Franklin looks like a superstar right now but in a bad passing offense he's on pace for about 800 yards. That's legit WR production.

 

The optics look so different in that scenario. Beane doesn't fully believe in any of the WRs available to him at the end of the 1st round so he trades down and takes two WRs to double his chances. It's like when Elam busted but we got Benford out of that class so the 1st round whiff doesn't matter as much. Beane instead took DeWayne Carter with that 3rd round pick which makes the whole fiasco look twice as bad.

 

If Beane is retained next year I honestly do expect him to go all in on finding a true WR1 through the trade market. He has basically no choice because of the spotlight on that room right now, especially with the ridiculous WGR rant and the buzz around the failed Waddle trade. It just sucks that it will have taken the worst case scenario coming to fruition for him to finally learn his lesson, and as a result we wasted a season where the AFC was weaker than ever.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

21 minutes ago, Avisan said:

If this is true, then the dude really doesn't get it.

 

Mack Hollins has made himself a nice chunk of money as a career WR4/5 guy and is serviceable (not good, but serviceable) when pressed into duty for more than that.  Keon has the opportunity to still make generational wealth if he accepts that role, and could still have a much higher ceiling.

 

Or he can flame out of the league.

 

Yeah but tough for a guy drafted that high to accept in year 2.  Hollins was a 4th round pick, so much easier for him to understand he'll need to play ST and wasn't drafted top be a starter right away.

[SoonerBillsFan]

14 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

97% of his contract is basically guaranteed 

 

The dead cap hit unless we could pull a trade where they pick up the salary will be like 6 million 

 

It's really not little

Don't care. You don't keep him just because of salary. That is a needed roster spot

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Don't care. You don't keep him just because of salary. That is a needed roster spot

😂😂you need inactive spots for injured guys too

[SCBills]

Not for nothing, but if the team was so ready to be done with Keon over this, why didn’t they just move him at a the trade deadline? 
 

There are teams who liked him in the draft and likely think he just doesn’t fit with Allen or is miscast outside. 
 

Im guessing they had to see Gabe get right and Keon was the insurance plan if he couldn’t?  

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, SCBills said:

Not for nothing, but if the team was so ready to be done with Keon over this, why didn’t they just move him at a the trade deadline? 
 

There are teams who liked him in the draft and likely think he just doesn’t fit with Allen or is miscast outside. 
 

Im guessing they had to see Gabe get right and Keon was the insurance plan if he couldn’t?  

 

I think everyone inside the league knows about Keon.  Stories like this get around.

You probably wouldn't get much but as you said, if Gabe or Shavers didn't work out, they would still need Keon.

[SectionC3]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Not for nothing, but if the team was so ready to be done with Keon over this, why didn’t they just move him at a the trade deadline? 
 

There are teams who liked him in the draft and likely think he just doesn’t fit with Allen or is miscast outside. 
 

Im guessing they had to see Gabe get right and Keon was the insurance plan if he couldn’t?  

So I assume.  The question was with whom to replace him.  Absent an upgrade I suppose it was worth having him

here.  Now that Gabe is contributing, I see no reason Keon gets a jersey absent multiple injuries at that position. 
 

As an aside, another good night by Gabe might make one wonder if he is one of the more unique FAs in NFL history.  Easily the best WR upgrade on the market late in a year, when injuries start to hit, healthy, would be contributing and on a roster, yet free to leave at any time.  A good game

might get him a nice contract now if he’s so inclined.  Food for thought.  

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

So I assume.  The question was with whom to replace him.  Absent an upgrade I suppose it was worth having him

here.  Now that Gabe is contributing, I see no reason Keon gets a jersey absent multiple injuries at that position. 
 

As an aside, another good night by Gabe might make one wonder if he is one of the more unique FAs in NFL history.  Easily the best WR upgrade on the market late in a year, when injuries start to hit, healthy, would be contributing and on a roster, yet free to leave at any time.  A good game

might get him a nice contract now if he’s so inclined.  Food for thought.  

I think another good game by Gabe gets him signed to the 53 or an agreement that happens in two weeks. 
 

A good season by Gabe likely means Bills/Gabe work out a deal for next year. 
 

 

He made some money in Jax and I think he just wants to play where he’s comfortable.. which is here, with JA. 
 

Id be shocked if he stays healthy and plays well, then isn’t on our roster next year. 

[Captain Hindsight]

32 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Not for nothing, but if the team was so ready to be done with Keon over this, why didn’t they just move him at a the trade deadline? 
 

There are teams who liked him in the draft and likely think he just doesn’t fit with Allen or is miscast outside. 
 

Im guessing they had to see Gabe get right and Keon was the insurance plan if he couldn’t?  

I was told he was floated in many trade proposals 

[billsfan714]

2 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said:

Can we play Keon at TE? lol

I was thinking the same crazy thing if Knox is a cap casualty next year.  And I know it is nuts thinking that.

Edited 1 hour ago by billsfan714

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Yeah but tough for a guy drafted that high to accept in year 2.  Hollins was a 4th round pick, so much easier for him to understand he'll need to play ST and wasn't drafted top be a starter right away.

Robert woods played special teams and he was five times the wide receiver keon is

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

should invalidate all those cover1 'look how open Coleman is' takes from the last 3 weeks

 

probably won't, but it should

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

We're already in bad salary cap space.. his cap hit is only 2 million dollars... Cutting him is over 5 million in Dead space 

 

That could actually make us sign one less guy.. we need someone to take his contract from us 

 

Cutting might make us sign one less player because we're going to lose 3 million of cap which is an NFL player

 

 

We aren't missing out on an impact player because of three million of dead cap. That's where void years come in. 

[billieve420]

With this being short week and probably minimal practice wondering if coaching staff wants to see how Coleman responds during normal week. If he ends up inactive again next week then barring injury not looking good for him dressing again in the near future. I was hoping we would get him some reps in the slot and see how he performs with Kincaid out.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Don't care. You don't keep him just because of salary. That is a needed roster spot

He probably won't be here anyways

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

We aren't missing out on an impact player because of three million of dead cap. That's where void years come in. 

And I'm not a cap expert I think I was wrong even if we trade him we still have the dead cap so I think it's here regardless 

 

Whether we trade him or cut him we have the dead cap

 

But the bills only have 2 million cap space right now.. technically getting 3 million in Dead space would prohibit us from signing anybody today if we cut him unless we restructured other people

 

Right now cutting him would be 7 million Dead space.. and that would put us over the cap

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[Bob in STL]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Robert woods played special teams and he was five times the wide receiver keon is

 

Coleman should not never be considered to play ST if he is truly saying he doesn't want to do it. 

 

Good Lord a special teamer is a guy who will do anything to play.   A poor ST player can cost you a KO return for a touchdown.  

 

Lou Piccone and Steve Tasker were much better WRs than Coleman, and they had no trouble being ST studs.   ST players are selfless team players.  

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He probably won't be here anyways

And I'm not a cap expert I think I was wrong even if we trade him we still have the dead cap so I think it's here regardless 

 

Whether we trade him or cut him we have the dead cap

 

But the bills only have 2 million cap space right now.. technically getting 3 million in Dead space would prohibit us from signing anybody today if we cut him unless we restructured other people

 

Right now cutting him would be 7 million Dead space.. and that would put us over the cap

True. 

 

But he's likely to stay here regardless for the season. It's a bit late in the year to work in a brand new guy at the position, learn the playbook and get reps in. 

 

we already have Samuel and Hardman out. Both have had a vast history of injury. Gabe is coming off a significant injury that took him a very long time to heal from. Shakir has been banged up this year. We are going to see a time when Coleman is needed to take snaps again this year IMO. I think what he shows then will go a long way to determining his fate.

[milfandcookies]

8 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

 

Coleman should not never be considered to play ST if he is truly saying he doesn't want to do it. 

 

Good Lord a special teamer is a guy who will do anything to play.   A poor ST player can cost you a KO return for a touchdown.  

 

Lou Piccone and Steve Tasker were much better WRs than Coleman, and they had no trouble being ST studs.   ST players are selfless team players.  

 

 

Lou Piccone omg. going way back.  Much respect